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Post by Riff on May 21, 2006 14:59:03 GMT -5
Um. Mickey? This time it really isn't about the Doctor, per se. I think it's about a disaster striking? I'm giving you points for being right before, but it's not always all about you. What the heck did you do, Captn Jack?! Ah! She did it. Of course! Planned this in case someone got too close. Ooooh. The heart of the TARDIS! Well. She's not gonna be able to look at that and keep to her plan. Eeep! Did it poof her? Ah! Regressed back to an egg! That's perfect - 'cuz she was talking about how it because of how she was raised. Raised to be a murderer. So, now she can either show if that true or not by doing it over. Ah. Mickey. Rose. That's kinda sad . . . but also . . . if it was me? I'd also choose to go zipping around the universe throughout time too instead of staying with the old boyfriend. I mean, gosh! Almost as if it knew what she really wanted...
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Post by Riff on May 21, 2006 15:00:20 GMT -5
Excuse me. Who's in charge? Doctor who? Hee! I love this Doctor. I soooooo love this Doctor. But Bad Wolf scares me.
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Post by Riff on May 21, 2006 15:01:53 GMT -5
Killing is all she knows. What is that noise? Uh oh. Is it the reactor? Mickey has some issues, poor lamb. Oy! Does he ever! Heeee! That was my first thought too! ;D Really rather clever indeed. I suppose it's partly why she was the one left. I mean, mostly not, but perhaps a little. **nods nods nods** Yep. A second chance for a lot of things. But instead, we go on, eh? It's true. We can be so damaged, so traumatised. If only we could renew ourselves, start over.
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Post by Riff on May 21, 2006 15:03:35 GMT -5
Oy! Does he ever! Heeee! That was my first thought too! ;D Really rather clever indeed. I suppose it's partly why she was the one left. I mean, mostly not, but perhaps a little. **nods nods nods** Yep. A second chance for a lot of things. But instead, we go on, eh? I'd certainly choose tripping around the universe with the Doctor over hanging out in London. It's got a certain appeal. Well, personally I'd choose cleaning out the inside of a chimney to hanging out in London. ;D
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Post by Riff on May 21, 2006 15:05:34 GMT -5
Aww. Did anyone else's throat just close up when The Doctor said, "And I was having such a nice day"?And where was she gonna go? Can't they just take her there? I mean, she didn't want to stay on Earth...what was her plan? Despite the hard image he projects, there's something of a hurt little boy about him, isn't there?
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Post by Riff on May 21, 2006 15:14:36 GMT -5
Well, that was...odd. Talk about your deus ex machina. I liked it all except the last three minutes. I know what you mean. I have mixed feelings about this ep. There are some good and important ideas and some great dialogue, but it just doesn't quite hold together for me. Also, despite the fact that (with hindsight) it is just as much about the TARDIS as it is about the Doctor, the ending is not really suggested by what comes before it. For example, it isn't set up as well as the nanogenes are. One reason that it's a little odd is that it's almost all for foreshadowing. I have a suspicion (one I can support, but not now ) that the deus ex machina is more literal than you might think. I.e. not just the machine part.
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Post by Riff on May 21, 2006 15:16:35 GMT -5
I'll be back tomorrow with some useful contextual info for next week's ep, the penultimate episode and the first part of the season finale: Bad Wolf.
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Post by Matthew on May 21, 2006 17:36:35 GMT -5
Pleading for mercy with a dead woman's lips. Hmmmm. The conversation between her and the Doctor is really interesting. "Only a killer would know that." "Sometimes you let one go." I wonder. I mean, there is another choice between taking her to be executed (if that's really the truth) and letter her stay there (where I know she'd try her plan again). I mean, can't she go back to her real self and they take her to a neutral planet where she doesn't hate everyone and where she can't cause trouble? Impossible, I think. The thing is, a part of her does want to be good, but it's too late. She is what she is. He can be annoying at times, but one can't help but feel sorry for him. It's been said that the Doctor ruins his life, but it's actually Roses decision to leave that does it. I disagree with that idea: Mickey's life wasn't "ruined" by any of that: it was changed, and he was knocked out of his comfortable little life. While an argument could be made that Jackie persecuting him for murdering her baby girl could be made on the "ruining his life" thing, that isn't what he's bellyaching about when he's whining to Rose about how he "can't even date a shopgirl" because he's always waiting for her call. His life's changed, and the fact that he's not dealing with it is his issue, not Rose's: he was even offered the chance to go along, before, but let his timidity frighten him out of it. Mickey is a good man to have at your back when things go wrong: he's not a coward: but he has NO spirit of adventure... and when you run across a big-eared, big-nosed stranger who says "Come fly with me in my time-machine/space ship" and you say "No"? You have no one to blame but yourself. The Doctor didn't even extend that offer to Mickey until after he'd proven his pluck fighting the Slitheen family: prior to that, he was just some wanker gripping at Rose's ankles: and if he could think it a reasonable thing that Rose should have chosen a life staying with him, working in shops or being on the dole, over adventures unguessable in a blue Police Box that goes elsewhere? Then Rose's leaving him was probably the best thing that could have happened to him, as far as his "life" was concerned. Note: Don't hate Mickey at all: Rather fond of M(R)ickey the Idiot. I just think he's blamed other people for his own issues. I feel sympathy for him, but also? There's some... contempt for him, in that he chose the Blue Pill.
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Post by Riff on May 22, 2006 7:26:36 GMT -5
Impossible, I think. The thing is, a part of her does want to be good, but it's too late. She is what she is. He can be annoying at times, but one can't help but feel sorry for him. It's been said that the Doctor ruins his life, but it's actually Roses decision to leave that does it. I disagree with that idea: Mickey's life wasn't "ruined" by any of that: it was changed, and he was knocked out of his comfortable little life. While an argument could be made that Jackie persecuting him for murdering her baby girl could be made on the "ruining his life" thing, that isn't what he's bellyaching about when he's whining to Rose about how he "can't even date a shopgirl" because he's always waiting for her call. His life's changed, and the fact that he's not dealing with it is his issue, not Rose's: he was even offered the chance to go along, before, but let his timidity frighten him out of it. Mickey is a good man to have at your back when things go wrong: he's not a coward: but he has NO spirit of adventure... and when you run across a big-eared, big-nosed stranger who says "Come fly with me in my time-machine/space ship" and you say "No"? You have no one to blame but yourself. The Doctor didn't even extend that offer to Mickey until after he'd proven his pluck fighting the Slitheen family: prior to that, he was just some wanker gripping at Rose's ankles: and if he could think it a reasonable thing that Rose should have chosen a life staying with him, working in shops or being on the dole, over adventures unguessable in a blue Police Box that goes elsewhere? Then Rose's leaving him was probably the best thing that could have happened to him, as far as his "life" was concerned. Note: Don't hate Mickey at all: Rather fond of M(R)ickey the Idiot. I just think he's blamed other people for his own issues. I feel sympathy for him, but also? There's some... contempt for him, in that he chose the Blue Pill. *laughing* Poor Mickey. You're right to pull me up about that, though, Matthew. I was being a bit absolutist, there. And, of course, I was suggesting that Rose leaving was the event which ruined his life, not that it was in some way her fault (I can see now my use of the word "decision" implied this). I understand and agree with your point, but the difficulty is, where do we draw the line? For example, why should we say that Jackie's persecution ruined his life? Why not say his inability to deal with it is the problem? That's the issue, I suppose. Do we blame the hand that fate deals us, or do we accept responsibility for our own feelings? Neither of these seem one hundred percent correct, though one or the other feels right in different situations. Of course, I'm speaking as someone who's been treated very, very badly and then had the old "Your feelings are your own responsibility" line used on me. I may possibly be biased. Stranger things have happened. ;D
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 22, 2006 14:47:30 GMT -5
hmm... bringing back the Slitheen. I'm hopeful but skeptical.
6 months later.
A rift? Like before?
Nice rapport between everybody. Poor Mickey feels so left out.
Reworking the theme song
the teleporter. Hee!
boys with toys
ah, Bad Wolf. They're figuring it out. Or not. Hee.
the heart of the TARDIS. It's alive.
She's an egg. interesting.
Captain Jack has an American accent. Mostly. Somehow I missed that last time.
Interesting episode. Much better than the previous 2 slitheen episodes. Funny and thought provoking. Nice scenes between the Doctor and Margaret. Relationship issues between Rose and Mickey.
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Post by Rachael on May 22, 2006 16:31:38 GMT -5
hmm... bringing back the Slitheen. I'm hopeful but skeptical. 6 months later. A rift? Like before? Nice rapport between everybody. Poor Mickey feels so left out. Reworking the theme song the teleporter. Hee! boys with toys ah, Bad Wolf. They're figuring it out. Or not. Hee. the heart of the TARDIS. It's alive. She's an egg. interesting. Captain Jack has an American accent. Mostly. Somehow I missed that last time. Interesting episode. Much better than the previous 2 slitheen episodes. Funny and thought provoking. Nice scenes between the Doctor and Margaret. Relationship issues between Rose and Mickey. I thought "mostly" about Jack's accent, too, and then I saw the actor speaking out of character, and still he sounds like that. Perhaps he's Canadian.
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Post by Riff on May 22, 2006 17:28:55 GMT -5
hmm... bringing back the Slitheen. I'm hopeful but skeptical. 6 months later. A rift? Like before? Nice rapport between everybody. Poor Mickey feels so left out. Reworking the theme song the teleporter. Hee! boys with toys ah, Bad Wolf. They're figuring it out. Or not. Hee. the heart of the TARDIS. It's alive. She's an egg. interesting. Captain Jack has an American accent. Mostly. Somehow I missed that last time. Interesting episode. Much better than the previous 2 slitheen episodes. Funny and thought provoking. Nice scenes between the Doctor and Margaret. Relationship issues between Rose and Mickey. I thought "mostly" about Jack's accent, too, and then I saw the actor speaking out of character, and still he sounds like that. Perhaps he's Canadian. This is a quick bio from the official DW website: John Barrowman was born in Glasgow, but was actually raised in Joliet, Illinois. He first came to our attention co-presenting Live and Kicking, alongside Emma Forbes and Andy Peters. In particular, he presented the spot Electric Circus, a weekly media news round up. Other television credits include Aaron Spelling productions Titans and Stop at Nothing, and the TV special Hey, Mr Producer! The Musical World of Cameron Mackintosh. Amongst John's many theatre credits are A Few Good Men, Love's Labours Lost, Beauty and the Beast, Sunset Boulevard, Miss Saigon and The Phantom of the Opera. John can soon be seen in The Producers: The Movie Musical. After a season on Doctor Who, John will soon be playing Captain Jack in Torchwood.
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Post by Riff on May 22, 2006 17:32:27 GMT -5
Here’s that cultural context for next week’s ep: BAD WOLF. Reality television. It's a terrible thing, isn't it? Only something totally evil could have inflicted that on the human race. And you can add to that makeover shows and most game shows. Examples of each over here are: Big Brother, in which contestants have to live in a house for nine weeks under constant surveillance. Hosted by Davina McCall, the show involves contestants being evicted from "the House" by public vote until only one remains. I know this has been exported to the US, but I doubt it's such a big deal there as it is here. It’s going on right now: there are some pour souls in “the House”. www.channel4.com/bigbrother/The Weakest Link. This is a dreadful quiz in which contestants are asked multiple choice questions, working together as a team to make money. But at the end of each round the contestants vote off one of their own number as the "weakest link". Ostensibly, this is the person who gets the most questions wrong, but some people are voted off because they are actually good and the other contestants don't want to have to face them in the head-to-head final round of two players. The most notable feature about this show is that it's hosted by Anne Robinson, whose trademark is to intimidate and insult the contestants. I know that this show, together with Ms Robinson herself, was also exported to the US. Well, it was nice to have her out of the country for a while. ;D www.bbc.co.uk/weakestlink/What Not To Wear. This show is hosted by Trinny and Susannah. Every week, they have minor celebrities on the show, hugely insult their dress sense, and then tell them exactly what they should be wearing. www.bbcamerica.com/genre/home_living/what_not_to_wear/what_not_to_wear.jsp
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