|
Post by Lola m on Sept 28, 2007 22:33:43 GMT -5
Ominous, yet hilarious. They went to songvid. The Master went to songvid. The Master launched his evil plan to conquer the earth to a soundtrack. I know!!!!!!! ;D Yeah, I'm thinking some way found to reverse things, or make them not have happened? ;D Eetah on the Gallifrey background love. Also, I liked these comments/thoughts: and and and
|
|
|
Post by Lola m on Sept 28, 2007 22:34:35 GMT -5
oh, good heavens, but that just ROCKED. **nods a whole hell of a lot**
|
|
|
Post by Lola m on Sept 28, 2007 22:37:17 GMT -5
Becca: Read your comments and I get what you're saying...but I like the fact that the Master is so amusing. In that way, it's almost more scary than bombast and high drama. Like he's gone even more over the edge than ever before. Like even if the Doctor thinks he knows the Master and how to get to him, he doesn't really know just how far gone he is, how much the events since they last met have changed him, pushed him further into insanity . . . . ? Oh my yes indeedy deedy do. Ianto. Trekking. Yes.
|
|
|
Post by Lola m on Sept 28, 2007 22:46:42 GMT -5
Vote Saxon So they're back in modern day. Who is the Master's wife? What this country needs right now is a Doctor. Credits Gas mask. Boy, does that seem reminiscent of Lost. Who calls himself "the Master?" Hee, of course, that begs the question "who calls himself 'the Doctor?'" That was an excellent point, eh? A kewpie doll for the lady! Good one! **nods** I like how later we see that she still has that fierce protective feeling, wants to save her family, but has calmed down enough to know when she would make things worse and how to bide her time to get away and be of more help. Really. Yes. I want to know more about the sound and how it got into his head. I love British TV. I wish American TV would get more textual. I mean, I love me my subtext but a little bit of un-sub-ness would be so nice sometimes . . . Dude. Seriously. That made me so happy. So very very happy. That ghosts moment was very nicely done. Sweet-sad. I'm pretty sure I know exactly how to take that. Excellent reminder. Because that is classic Doctor. He'll keep trying and trying to let the bad guys be not bad. And then when they don't take him up on it, look out.
|
|
|
Post by Rachael on Sept 28, 2007 23:21:55 GMT -5
Becca: Read your comments and I get what you're saying...but I like the fact that the Master is so amusing. In that way, it's almost more scary than bombast and high drama. Like he's gone even more over the edge than ever before. Like even if the Doctor thinks he knows the Master and how to get to him, he doesn't really know just how far gone he is, how much the events since they last met have changed him, pushed him further into insanity . . . . ? I dunno. He was always sort of...evil and giggly. And this Master is just the perfect bookend for Ten. And...six billion, eh? One for every human on the planet?
|
|
|
Post by Rachael on Sept 28, 2007 23:25:27 GMT -5
Okay, so...when the Master said, "I like it when you use my name," I said to Dave, "Whoa. They just went all slashy...on purpose!" He thought maybe I was imagining it. "You have too much exposure to slash." First off, not true. I read no slash. I have exposure to Lola.... And then he's all, "I just thought he sounded evil and crazy." I said, "I didn't think evil. I thought he sounded like he had a thing for the Doctor." Him: And then, not five minutes later, "Are you asking me out on a date?" Dave conceded the point.
|
|
|
Post by Matthew on Sept 28, 2007 23:51:20 GMT -5
Okay, so...when the Master said, "I like it when you use my name," I said to Dave, "Whoa. They just went all slashy...on purpose!" He thought maybe I was imagining it. "You have too much exposure to slash." First off, not true. I read no slash. I have exposure to Lola.... And then he's all, "I just thought he sounded evil and crazy." I said, "I didn't think evil. I thought he sounded like he had a thing for the Doctor." Him: And then, not five minutes later, "Are you asking me out on a date?" Dave conceded the point. ;D And I use "Exposure to Lola" to explain a great many things that people pester me about.
|
|
|
Post by Matthew on Sept 29, 2007 0:05:10 GMT -5
My buddy Imran has taken to doing the finger-drumming for the past couple of months. "di-di-di-DUH" over and over again. Isn't aware he's doing it anymore.
|
|
|
Post by beccaelizabeth on Sept 29, 2007 7:27:45 GMT -5
Checking up on things . . . Captain Jack calling "friends" - calling Torchwood? I wish I knew how this fit in with the Torchwood eps . . . . where in that timeline do these events fall? After the sorta-cliffhanger at the end. yup, running them in this order makes anti-sense.
|
|
|
Post by Karen on Sept 29, 2007 10:03:06 GMT -5
That was awesome!!!! *cheers*
Or as some would say - "Whoa. Good Myth."
Little itty bitty death stars (I heard a few chords of the Star Wars music) when they got released to decimate the earth. So decimate, means to kill only 1/10 of the population? I guess you can't be a Master of Nothing.
And speaking of nothing, what did those little death stars mean by saying that they had to escape because the 'never ending darkness was coming'? Was that the Nothing?
So much goodness in this episode. Martha running away at the end, escaping so that she can live to rescue them all. She looked at the end of the world and she ran, just like The Doctor once did. Or something.
Must rewatch. So, freakin' good!!
|
|
|
Post by Rachael on Sept 29, 2007 10:36:54 GMT -5
That was awesome!!!! *cheers* Or as some would say - "Whoa. Good Myth." Little itty bitty death stars (I heard a few chords of the Star Wars music) when they got released to decimate the earth. So decimate, means to kill only 1/10 of the population? I guess you can't be a Master of Nothing. And speaking of nothing, what did those little death stars mean by saying that they had to escape because the 'never ending darkness was coming'? Was that the Nothing? So much goodness in this episode. Martha running away at the end, escaping so that she can live to rescue them all. She looked at the end of the world and she ran, just like The Doctor once did. Or something. Must rewatch. So, freakin' good!! It was amazing, wasn't it? I actually saved both last week's ep, and this week's, since my sister hasn't seen them yet, due to Rachael wedding prep stuff. And of all the eps to miss this season.... Me, I missed the Dalek ones, 'cause I moved and had no cable the day the first one aired. The conclusion is sitting in the DVR, waiting for a repeat of the first half to air. But I digress. I loved the fact of the "Time Lords as gods" bit becoming so very texty. Because they always have been not-so-subtly set up as gods, and this ep just brought it out how very literal that is. Nine made several references to what he (or his people) could "see" or control...including letting us in on how what TARDIS!Rose saw is what he saw all the time. The Doctor and other Time Lords are sort of...godlike vessels for the driving life force of the universe. Which came out sounding a lot sillier than I planned. The Time Lords were distant, corrupt, and somewhat disinterested gods...but when the chips were down, they seemed to always step up to make sure the universe was protected. It casts the Time War as a sort of "war in heaven", heaven burned, and when it was over, there was only one god left in the universe. I think there's something in there about the universe going from having many (never all-powerful or all-knowing, but much-powerful and much-knowing, more Greek than Judeo-Christian) gods to having only one. Except, oops. Two. And one of them isn't the nice sort. I love the symmetry, and the fact that we now have a (for want of a better comparison - this being my culture, it's what I have) Jesus-type and a Lucifer-type. It's fascinating that the Master wanted to know what it was like to have the power to destroy the two most powerful races in the Universe. I mean, he's done the "destroy large chunks of the universe" thing before, but this was different. More "hands-on", maybe? He's totally jealous. The irony is icky, there, too. Here's the Doctor, a lonely, wandering god - he's always sort of felt alone in the universe, being largely exiled from his people, but now he knows what real solitude is like. Before, if he had to, he could always go back home, but now home is gone. But there's ONE of his kind left - and it's the most pathologically evil of the bunch. And it's better than being alone. The Doctor had to watch his people burn. It torments him - Nine never got over it (*nods at Riff's wonderful essay*). The Master, in horrible irony, covets that feeling. Wants to know what it was like. Would have LOVED to have been the one who got to destroy the Daleks and the Time Lords with them. It's just awful, seeing him want to get off on a feeling that nearly destroyed the Doctor. We see in the Master what happens when vast universal power gets handed to the wrong sort of person - and I always have a hate on the Time Lords for letting him wander the universe. Letting what's basically a psychopathic god run about loose. What you get then is stuff like Traken and Logopolis...and they let the Doctor deal with it, alone, rather than get their pretty little Time Lord hands dirty, so much of the time. And the Master does a lovely job of contrasting with the Doctor. Power in the wrong hands vs. power in the right hands. Of all the people we've ever met, the Doctor may be the only one we know we can trust, deep down, with the fate of the Universe. And he's a person, despite this power. Unlike most of the rest of his kind, he's in the mess, getting his hands dirty, loving the creatures he lives to protect. Wow. Okay, done now. Rambly thinky thoughts.
|
|
|
Post by beccaelizabeth on Sept 29, 2007 11:36:35 GMT -5
The thing about saving the universe is it necessarily involves saving the bit that you personally are in.
Also the other interesting thing about Time Lords is there are old series story arcs where the Doctor goes home and basically knows more than the lot of them. They've forgotten how everything works. They've relegated their history to the status of myth. They say the words without thinking about them and never actually investigate, just push buttons and assume. And, quite often, assume wrong. The Doctor - and the Master - figure it out. And also a couple other renegades. It's like most Time Lords are sitting around in vague ignorance and only the power mad actually want to, well, have and use the power.
What the other Time Lords do is all a bit undefined, but they do have television, so I have the vague sense of a society of cosmic couch potatos, sitting around watching history channels in their robes. ;-)
I suspect he'd be shocked and appalled that you think so. And then run away. And then come back and expect you to instantly do what he says in a crisis.
|
|
|
Post by Rachael on Sept 29, 2007 11:38:13 GMT -5
The thing about saving the universe is it necessarily involves saving the bit that you personally are in. Also the other interesting thing about Time Lords is there are old series story arcs where the Doctor goes home and basically knows more than the lot of them. They've forgotten how everything works. They've relegated their history to the status of myth. They say the words without thinking about them and never actually investigate, just push buttons and assume. And, quite often, assume wrong. The Doctor - and the Master - figure it out. And also a couple other renegades. It's like most Time Lords are sitting around in vague ignorance and only the power mad actually want to, well, have and use the power. What the other Time Lords do is all a bit undefined, but they do have television, so I have the vague sense of a society of cosmic couch potatos, sitting around watching history channels in their robes. ;-) I suspect he'd be shocked and appalled that you think so. And then run away. And then come back and expect you to instantly do what he says in a crisis. And that combination is exactly why we feel we can trust him.
|
|
|
Post by Lola m on Sept 29, 2007 12:30:43 GMT -5
Okay, so...when the Master said, "I like it when you use my name," I said to Dave, "Whoa. They just went all slashy...on purpose!" He thought maybe I was imagining it. "You have too much exposure to slash." First off, not true. I read no slash. I have exposure to Lola.... And then he's all, "I just thought he sounded evil and crazy." I said, "I didn't think evil. I thought he sounded like he had a thing for the Doctor." Him: And then, not five minutes later, "Are you asking me out on a date?" Dave conceded the point. ;D And I use "Exposure to Lola" to explain a great many things that people pester me about. **preens** Exposure to Lola. So much less toxic than many chemicals or radioactive byproducts, and I melt your brain in the good way.
|
|
|
Post by Lola m on Sept 29, 2007 12:32:25 GMT -5
Checking up on things . . . Captain Jack calling "friends" - calling Torchwood? I wish I knew how this fit in with the Torchwood eps . . . . where in that timeline do these events fall? After the sorta-cliffhanger at the end. yup, running them in this order makes anti-sense. Well, since it's two different networks (Torchwood on BBCAmerica and Dr Who on SciFi), I guess I couldn't expect them to coordinate things . . . But once I've seen each season completely, I'm sure that flow will seem much more logical!
|
|