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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Feb 9, 2008 18:45:36 GMT -5
Hmph. Part of what we need to fix, as a society, is the "nowhere to shop (that we can afford) but Wal-Mart". Because I completely understand those who shop at Wal-Mart out of financial necessity, or because there's nowhere else to go. I still think they're evil. But, as Vlad says, only marginally less evil than other big chains. It's a bigger margin than I'd like in some ways, though. I mean...they wouldn't sell my sister an HPT over the counter. Heh. Anyone hear Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me today? The bit about how a study determined that the panhandlers living outside of Walmart actually make more money than the Walmart employees? (And have a similar health care plan....) Sad part is, the "make more money" bit is actually true. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, because further discussion leads down the path of hurt feelings and badness. And Walmart needs unionizing, ASAP, IMVHO. Anne, capable of great self-loathing all by myself
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 9, 2008 18:46:14 GMT -5
Hmph. Part of what we need to fix, as a society, is the "nowhere to shop (that we can afford) but Wal-Mart". Because I completely understand those who shop at Wal-Mart out of financial necessity, or because there's nowhere else to go. I still think they're evil. But, as Vlad says, only marginally less evil than other big chains. It's a bigger margin than I'd like in some ways, though. I mean...they wouldn't sell my sister an HPT over the counter. Heh. Anyone hear Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me today? The bit about how a study determined that the panhandlers living outside of Walmart actually make more money than the Walmart employees? (And have a similar health care plan....) Sad part is, the "make more money" bit is actually true. And then, how many people think about what it is they can really afford? Because when people get into a place where all the prices are so crazy cheap, a lot of them tend to buy a whole lot of stuff they don't actually NEED.* Oh, but that's why we're getting the "rebate" checks this spring/summer, right? So we can keep spending, spending, spending... *BTDT myself and am still paying for it.Hmm. That's never been my experience, actually.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Feb 9, 2008 18:48:45 GMT -5
Hmph. Part of what we need to fix, as a society, is the "nowhere to shop (that we can afford) but Wal-Mart". Because I completely understand those who shop at Wal-Mart out of financial necessity, or because there's nowhere else to go. I still think they're evil. But, as Vlad says, only marginally less evil than other big chains. It's a bigger margin than I'd like in some ways, though. I mean...they wouldn't sell my sister an HPT over the counter. Heh. Anyone hear Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me today? The bit about how a study determined that the panhandlers living outside of Walmart actually make more money than the Walmart employees? (And have a similar health care plan....) Sad part is, the "make more money" bit is actually true. And then, how many people think about what it is they can really afford? Because when people get into a place where all the prices are so crazy cheap, a lot of them tend to buy a whole lot of stuff they don't actually NEED.* Oh, but that's why we're getting the "rebate" checks this spring/summer, right? So we can keep spending, spending, spending... *BTDT myself and am still paying for it.I try to stick to my list, but it isn't easy. On the other hand, if I do overbuy, it tends to be books and craft supplies and presents. Our "rebate" is going into savings, if at all possible, until we find out how the government plans to adjust our 2008 tax returns to compensate for it. BTDT last time.
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Post by Sharky on Feb 9, 2008 19:07:08 GMT -5
Nice echo chamber. Olberman, Stewart, Franken and Maher are so much more civil in their discourse than Limbaugh and Coulter, huh?
I think I'll get while the getting's good.
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Post by Vlad on Feb 9, 2008 19:28:03 GMT -5
Nice echo chamber. Olberman, Stewart, Franken and Maher are so much more civil in their discourse than Limbaugh and Coulter, huh? Echo chamber? Don't think so. We jsut haven't got there yet and are also being "civil." But since you brought them up, my opinions: Franken: Of slightly different flavor, but in my opinion about as rabid as either Coulter or Rush. Maher: He likes to play devil's advocate when hosting a show, but sure, his own politics shine through a lot. I think ABC did him a huge disservice when they canceled Politically Incorrect for, what was in my opinion, massive BS. At least that show was populated for the most part by people that actually argued the many sides of a topic, but, also usually didn't let it get too mean. He didn't have the tendency, like Hannity or O'Reilly, to line up straw men to take pot shots at. I haven't listened to him much since then, so I don't know if this has changed. Olberman: He is capable of taking cheap shots at times. On the other hand, he does have a tendency to pull away the curtain and let the light shine where it may, and will ridicule both sides. Stewert: Doesn't deserve to be on this list at all. He pretty much takes the moderate approach, invites guests of all stripes to his show and lets them talk, often asking very pointed questions between his humor. We could do a lot worse than have more people that treated politics like he does. He definitely doesn't hesitate to show when EITHER side is jsut being wacky. Vlad
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 9, 2008 19:33:49 GMT -5
Nice echo chamber. Olberman, Stewart, Franken and Maher are so much more civil in their discourse than Limbaugh and Coulter, huh? I think I'll get while the getting's good. Oh, no, no, no, no! Who said that? I can't stand to listen to Bill Mahr in particular, of those you mention.
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Feb 9, 2008 19:41:21 GMT -5
Well, I've got one (you knew I would). The fact that I'm a Hilary voter (and contributer, and T-shirt wearer) will come as a shock to no one. But yesterday, this appeared on Broadsheet over at Salon.com: So...MSNBC (and especially Chris Matthews) have been, IMO, really misogynist in their coverage of Hilary, but this hits a new low (in this election year). So, discuss, if you want - is the remark really out of line? Or just a metaphor? Is Chelsea being held to an unfair double-standard (that is, if she DIDN'T campaign for Mom, what would they say about that?)? About what I've come to accept of the level of dialogue on Matthew's show. Did you see that Faux News labeled McCain "Sen. John McCain D- Arizona" on the crawl? May we all have such stupid enemies. Julia, the more McCain has to assert his conservatism, the fewer independants will vote for him
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Feb 9, 2008 19:42:15 GMT -5
Doesn't John McCain look tired.
Julia, hey, it worked on Dr. Who
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Post by Shan on Feb 9, 2008 19:45:30 GMT -5
Doesn't John McCain look tired. Julia, hey, it worked on Dr. Who *snort* And for Jason Bourne.
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Post by Vlad on Feb 9, 2008 19:47:16 GMT -5
Doesn't John McCain look tired. Julia, hey, it worked on Dr. Who He does. He's been campaigning relentlessly and he's 72. Or 71.... something like that. I give the man credit for wanting the job; he's working hard for it. Vlad
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Post by Shan on Feb 9, 2008 19:48:38 GMT -5
Hmph. Part of what we need to fix, as a society, is the "nowhere to shop (that we can afford) but Wal-Mart". Because I completely understand those who shop at Wal-Mart out of financial necessity, or because there's nowhere else to go. I still think they're evil. But, as Vlad says, only marginally less evil than other big chains. It's a bigger margin than I'd like in some ways, though. I mean...they wouldn't sell my sister an HPT over the counter. Heh. Anyone hear Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me today? The bit about how a study determined that the panhandlers living outside of Walmart actually make more money than the Walmart employees? (And have a similar health care plan....) Sad part is, the "make more money" bit is actually true. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, because further discussion leads down the path of hurt feelings and badness. And Walmart needs unionizing, ASAP, IMVHO.Anne, capable of great self-loathing all by myself I think continuing the discussion along THOSE lines would actually avoid the hurt feelings and badness. Personally, I don't know anybody who objects to Wally-world who doesn't think that unionizing them would cure a multitude of Wally-sins.
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Post by Vlad on Feb 9, 2008 19:49:05 GMT -5
Doesn't John McCain look tired. Julia, hey, it worked on Dr. Who *snort* And for Jason Bourne. LOL! Bourne for president! He's tired, he's pissed... and best of all all his skeletons have been conveniently "lost." He doesn't even remember them himself. Vlad
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Post by Shan on Feb 9, 2008 19:50:58 GMT -5
And then, how many people think about what it is they can really afford? Because when people get into a place where all the prices are so crazy cheap, a lot of them tend to buy a whole lot of stuff they don't actually NEED.* Oh, but that's why we're getting the "rebate" checks this spring/summer, right? So we can keep spending, spending, spending... *BTDT myself and am still paying for it.Hmm. That's never been my experience, actually. Then that'll be good for your debt-to-income ratio, which is a good thing. Not so good for credit card companies, tho.
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Post by Vlad on Feb 9, 2008 19:51:10 GMT -5
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, because further discussion leads down the path of hurt feelings and badness. And Walmart needs unionizing, ASAP, IMVHO.Anne, capable of great self-loathing all by myself I think continuing the discussion along THOSE lines would actually avoid the hurt feelings and badness. Personally, I don't know anybody who objects to Wally-world who doesn't think that unionizing them would cure a multitude of Wally-sins. Well, except for the anti-union folks! I agree. It's a valid topic and approached with respect to our fellow discussers, a good one. Vlad
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Post by Sharky on Feb 9, 2008 19:51:39 GMT -5
Like I said, this is not a safe place for me, I'd be chum in the waters around here.
Vlad, Olberman makes a regular segment of "The Worst Person in the World." Maher lamented that Ledger died instead of Limbaugh from drug abuse. Stewart saves his sharpest barbs for the Right. There is an excess of vitriol on all sides.
I want government to leave me alone as much as possible. That's a pipe dream, I know.
Put the dessicated corpse of Robert Heinlein in the running and I might vote for him.
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