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Post by beccaelizabeth on Mar 21, 2008 19:16:58 GMT -5
beccaelizabeth.livejournal.com/1378769.htmlI love this episode really rather a lot. Backstory so lovely and detailed we can spend all the time between seasons seeing how it changes our perception of the characters in every other episode. Combined with an explosive framing story where Owen nearly got decapitated and I wasn't actually sure if I was cheering the glass on. Er, actually, no, I have to admit, by this point I was in fact worried. About Owen. *sigh* They've totally put work into making him not the jerk any more. ... oddly, I kind of miss him. ... actually, I kind of miss Torchwood. The differences between this and season 1 are subtle yet pervasive. Sure, the stories are several kinds of better, but the whole tone shifted and it's immensely harder to read TW as the bad guys any more. And they should be the bad guys. What they're doing hasn't changed enough for them to not be the bad guys. But the story doesn't seem to leave room for that interpretation any more.  So, then the last few minutes... and people from this board want to record those minutes. Captain Spike is back  Next week is going to be cool. You can just tell. Messy, and cool.
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Post by Michelle on Mar 22, 2008 21:50:33 GMT -5
beccaelizabeth.livejournal.com/1378769.htmlI love this episode really rather a lot. Backstory so lovely and detailed we can spend all the time between seasons seeing how it changes our perception of the characters in every other episode. Combined with an explosive framing story where Owen nearly got decapitated and I wasn't actually sure if I was cheering the glass on. Er, actually, no, I have to admit, by this point I was in fact worried. About Owen. *sigh* They've totally put work into making him not the jerk any more. ... oddly, I kind of miss him. ... actually, I kind of miss Torchwood. The differences between this and season 1 are subtle yet pervasive. Sure, the stories are several kinds of better, but the whole tone shifted and it's immensely harder to read TW as the bad guys any more. And they should be the bad guys. What they're doing hasn't changed enough for them to not be the bad guys. But the story doesn't seem to leave room for that interpretation any more. So, then the last few minutes... and people from this board want to record those minutes. Captain Spike is back Next week is going to be cool. You can just tell. Messy, and cool. I know what you mean about missing Old Owen. But I'm OK with new Owen too, particularly because of the whole being dead thing. Pretty interesting direction to take his character. I found the back stories very entertaining and in no way predictable. Captain Jack looked hot with the side burns and his Sherlock Holmes coat. I enjoyed the way he went from being not much more than a hired thug to being the head of the Cardiff Torchwood. Interesting that they never really explained why his co-worker did the murder-suicide thing. And made in error when he said that it was becoming the 21st century, because that didn't occur until 2001, yes? I was really expecting Toshiko to be smooshed to death--she certainly seemed to be in the most precarious situation of them all. I assume the actress does NOT suffer from claustrophobia! I guess that was to magnify her time spent in that tiny cell. And woot! Captain Spike in two weeks! Can. Not. Wait. |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 23, 2008 11:20:51 GMT -5
Explosion!!! Wheee!!! 1,392 deaths earlier. Flashback time! #woot2# Jack's got some kicking sideburns. Used to date a guy with no mouth. Surprisingly creative. Interesting. Who are these chicks? Ah, this is Torchwood. Is this how he gets involved with Torchwood? Like, the inmates are running the asylum? Ah, the blowfish again. Or another one of the species. The rift only goes one way. Or does it? Deal with alien threat by killing it. Girl reads Jack's tarot cards. Is this the same girl who he went to see about the glove? 1999. Team is dead. So Jack sets about hiring his own team then? Alex. It's the 21st century Jack, and everything's going to change. So that's where that comes from. Jack wakes up. So does his life flash before his eyes every single time. Oh yeah, Rhys didn't know about Jack being immortal. 5 years ago. Tosh is working on secret project. Or she's just snooping. Lodmoor Research Facility. Oh, she's double agenting. Who is this group? Holy Crap! Torchwood to the rescue? Oh, Unit. Visited by Jack. Jack offers salvation. Tosh wants to take it, without even knowing what Jack does. Jack protects people, or at least tries to. A work in progress. 21 months earlier. Is this actual weevil fighting or role playing?  Oh, This is where they meet? How does Ianto know about Weevils? Ianto offers Jack coffee. I think this could be the start of a beautiful friendship. Ah, Ianto's from Torchwood-London. Ianto's persistent and Jack likes it. capturing the pterodactyl. Wow, Ianto really is desperate. 4 years earlier. Owen planning his wedding. Is she his patient? Alzheimers. Oh, a sudden tumor. Rift related somehow? Oh, Owen's already knows Jack. Yep, and alien parasite thingy. Oh, he doesn't know Jack. And Jack retconned everybody but Owen. And they all managed to walk away from it. Captain John! Grown up Gray. |
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Post by artemis on Apr 13, 2008 13:57:01 GMT -5
Girl reads Jack's tarot cards. Is this the same girl who he went to see about the glove? i wondered the same thing. this episode hasn't had much commentary yet. i thought be's commentary in her linked post was interesting, but unfortunately i am too tired right now to say anything more about it myself.  i don't know if it's the same way on bbc in britain, but here in the u.s. they air little behind-the-scenes things during some of the ads. for this episode it sounded to me like burn gorman said each of the actors sketched out their own backstory story for the writer, but i'll have to watch it a second time to be sure. did anyone else see it? is that actually what he said? |
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Post by Lola m on Apr 13, 2008 17:35:51 GMT -5
New aliens . . . hiding in the building? Bombs?! Holy moley!!!  Gwen missed it. Well, Jack will survive/reanimate . . . but what about the others? 1,392 deathes earlier. So, other people died? Oh! That many number of deaths earlier for Jack. Ouch.  So, we're gonna learn about his past a bit? Heeeee! Always love Jack in full on sexy babble mode. Jack, I think these are not normal Earth women of the time. "You ladies are ahead of yourselves." Kiss or kill the doctor.  OMG, they are Torchwood!!! Combat the Doctor and other phantasmagoria. ;D This is how he ends up joining Torchwood. Heeeeeee! Blowfish! And Torchwood just kills them. "Threat to the empire." Yeah . . . I can see how they'd take that attitude at that time. He's pretty. But you're prettier.  Reading his cards. "He's coming, the one you're looking for. The century will turn twice." So, she rather accurately says when the Doctor will be arriving. Marching forward thru time with Torchwood. 1999. TW folks all dead? Alex (who must be part of TW?) did it. Gone over the edge? It's "really not going to be ok". And now we hear the "21st century" line, only it's "and we're not ready". He saw what was coming . . . but which of the multiple things coming did he see? Or did he see something we don't yet know about? |
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Post by Lola m on Apr 13, 2008 17:45:22 GMT -5
Gwen and Rhys find Jack. And I guess we know now that Rhys didn't know about Jack's not being able to die. Tosh!!! Find Tosh!! Tosh flashback now. 5 years. What is sneaky Tosh doing? Whatever it is, she's scared. Stealing papers, plans? For what? Defense ministry plans? Making a weapon herself? "I want to see my mother. I want to know she's safe." Oh, so they're forcing her to do this. Saved by army-type guys but arrested. Held by Unit?! Indefinitely. And they can do anything to her. Jack! Is Jack gonna save her? |
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Post by Lola m on Apr 13, 2008 17:54:18 GMT -5
Jack wiped Tosh's mom's memories. No, Jack doesn't look like a lawyer. Never going to release her. Oooooh. The plans don't work, but her machine does. "Aw, baby you're good!" ;D Oh, just recruit her already, Jack. There ya go! "Give me 5 years." They owe Jack, so they wiped her record. Like she's going to say no.  And in now time, they've found Tosh. Oh, Ianto flashback now. 21 months ago. So, we're seeing them in the order that they hooked up with Torchwood, perhaps? Or that they met Jack? Weevil hunting. That's how Jack and Ianto meet. "You . . . were . . . bleeding." Ianto knows it's a Weevil, Jack tries to play dumb. "Love the coat." Well, don't we all. |
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Post by Lola m on Apr 13, 2008 18:12:10 GMT -5
Heeee! He brought him coffee!! "I want to work here." Lisa is already "dead" and so he's angling to work here, so he can bring her here. But Jack has cut ties to the London TW. "Don't want the equipment getting into the wrong hands." "And you're the right hands?" Nice question! Coffee and flattery/flirting. A way in, perhaps? Jack has read Ianto's file, but I'm betting Iato has done some checking of his own. "So, you're not gonna help me catch this pteradactyl then?" Heeee! This is the way in, I'm thinking. Too perfect! Heeeeee! Torchwood London would have kept dinosaur nets in the back of the SUV. And they had rift activity locators and what not. Jealous yet, Jack? 51st century pheramones. So, he's not exactly hiding some of his timeline, then. Or is this just with Ianto? Heh! This entire Jack and Ianto stalk the wiley dinosaur thing while trying to hold a sort-of job interview thing? Hi-larious! OK. That was nummy. And fun. Funnummy! Oh, and the look on Ianto's face as he walks away? Heartbreaking. And we know what is really going on with him and what will happen later, we know the why for that expression. |
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Post by Lola m on Apr 13, 2008 18:20:49 GMT -5
Now Owen. Holy moley, that could chop him in half. 4 years ago. So, we're jumping about in time. Owen engaged? So what happened to her. I'm betting it's what got him involved with TW. Hmmmmm. Something's wrong with her? What's wrong with her? Whoa. That's very early onset for Alzheimers. Well, talk about your horrible scenario. Not Alzheimers. A tumor? And a fast growing one, it sounds like. Here's Jack. Oh. Oh, my. Yes this is how he gets involved with TW. "I need to take her brain back with me." Well. That's unfun. |
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Post by Lola m on Apr 13, 2008 18:35:42 GMT -5
Interesting that he wasn't retconned. ('Cuz Jack had it available a year ago, to deal with Tosh's mom.) A cover story has been created and the video has been altered. I'm betting he doesn't let it rest and that's how he gets involved with Torchwood. Hmmmm. Or, he gets involved because Jack keeps stalking him. Well. Smacking Jack around and then weeping on his chest. Interesting way to get to know each other. You need a purpose. I need a medic. Why, it's a match made in heaven. Ah. And then it all goes back to why he became a doctor. That's how Jack makes him see a place for himself there. **squeeeeeeeeeeeeee!** Captain John!!! Yay! **bounces** Well of course it was him. "All that life. All that time and you can't spare any for me." And he's made good on his parting shot from the last time we saw him. And he's got Grey. |
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Post by Lola m on Apr 13, 2008 18:58:02 GMT -5
beccaelizabeth.livejournal.com/1378769.htmlI love this episode really rather a lot. Backstory so lovely and detailed we can spend all the time between seasons seeing how it changes our perception of the characters in every other episode. Exactly! Now we can look backward and forward and have lots of good story and speculation to roll around in.  I think it's all gray now. Not totally bad guys, not totally good guys. All complex and twisty. Which is my favorite kind of story. Sooooooo very very happy to see Captain Spike John. **shivers** And he is so totally homicidally pouty! |
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Post by Lola m on Apr 13, 2008 19:05:52 GMT -5
beccaelizabeth.livejournal.com/1378769.htmlI love this episode really rather a lot. Backstory so lovely and detailed we can spend all the time between seasons seeing how it changes our perception of the characters in every other episode. Combined with an explosive framing story where Owen nearly got decapitated and I wasn't actually sure if I was cheering the glass on. Er, actually, no, I have to admit, by this point I was in fact worried. About Owen. *sigh* They've totally put work into making him not the jerk any more. ... oddly, I kind of miss him. ... actually, I kind of miss Torchwood. The differences between this and season 1 are subtle yet pervasive. Sure, the stories are several kinds of better, but the whole tone shifted and it's immensely harder to read TW as the bad guys any more. And they should be the bad guys. What they're doing hasn't changed enough for them to not be the bad guys. But the story doesn't seem to leave room for that interpretation any more. So, then the last few minutes... and people from this board want to record those minutes. Captain Spike is back Next week is going to be cool. You can just tell. Messy, and cool. I know what you mean about missing Old Owen. But I'm OK with new Owen too, particularly because of the whole being dead thing. Pretty interesting direction to take his character. I found the back stories very entertaining and in no way predictable. Captain Jack looked hot with the side burns and his Sherlock Holmes coat. I enjoyed the way he went from being not much more than a hired thug to being the head of the Cardiff Torchwood. Interesting that they never really explained why his co-worker did the murder-suicide thing. And made in error when he said that it was becoming the 21st century, because that didn't occur until 2001, yes? I too want to know what Alex was referring to, what he'd seen that made him kill the team. Is it something we've seen or something yet to come, or something that won't happen. Was it Canary Wharf and so on? The Master taking over the world? The life-eating thing from the end of last season? Or . . . . ? So very very much Can. Not. Wait!! |
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Post by Lola m on Apr 13, 2008 19:26:14 GMT -5
Explosion!!! Wheee!!! 1,392 deaths earlier. Flashback time!  Jack's got some kicking sideburns. Totally kickin'! I'm thinking there's something to be said for seniority. And what better way to gain ultimate seniority than by living forever. Yeah, we know that's not true now. And I wonder if it was true then. That's what I was wondering!! I found the slightly different wording to be very interesting. Does it just come from the different perspectives of Alex and Jack? Or from Jack's more extensive knowledge of what the future is bringing? Interesting perspective on Unit. Fits with the times and the world view and so on. I can't remember what the time frame was for Brigadier and Unit from earlier Dr Who. That would have been after this, right? Because that had Daleks and so on, which would be future from this current TW time, I think . . . . Or would it? Jack re-imagining what TW is, I think. Plus, he's very much a "make it up as he goes" kind of guy, IMHO. So this was a really nice fit. ;D *nods* Totally desperate to find someplace to store and work on helping Lisa, I think. I mean, some of the stuff about how can he get the memories of Canary Wharf out of his head and so on are true too. But really, at that point I think it all had to do with Lisa. They fooled me nicely with this one. At first I was convinced that this would all be TW related. And then, when it was disease and then tumor, I was all "oh, so he'll just have a tragedy and that will somehow turn him to this kind of work. And then, nope! Your first thought of TW related was right! Lots to look forward to in the finale! |
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Post by Lola m on Apr 13, 2008 19:29:47 GMT -5
Girl reads Jack's tarot cards. Is this the same girl who he went to see about the glove? i wondered the same thing. this episode hasn't had much commentary yet. i thought be's commentary in her linked post was interesting, but unfortunately i am too tired right now to say anything more about it myself. i don't know if it's the same way on bbc in britain, but here in the u.s. they air little behind-the-scenes things during some of the ads. for this episode it sounded to me like burn gorman said each of the actors sketched out their own backstory story for the writer, but i'll have to watch it a second time to be sure. did anyone else see it? is that actually what he said? I think he said they'd all created/imagined the backstories for their characters but that it was also exciting to see the story created by the writers. So, I think we don't really know for sure if this ep used the things that the actors came up with or not. |
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Post by artemis on Apr 14, 2008 14:44:32 GMT -5
I think he said they'd all created/imagined the backstories for their characters but that it was also exciting to see the story created by the writers. So, I think we don't really know for sure if this ep used the things that the actors came up with or not. i rewatched the mini-interview yesterday and got a similar impression this time around. i thought it was interesting that he seemed to think owen's backstory fit so especially well with owen's character. |
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So, we're gonna learn about his past a bit?
