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Post by Lola m on May 2, 2008 21:35:00 GMT -5
I love seeing Jane Espenson as co-executive producer. Totally! Yeah, I figured it was to look at her drawings, but dude. Totally gives another vibe as well. And if he didn't, Tory practically wrote out the story and illustrated it.
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Post by artemis on May 2, 2008 21:38:44 GMT -5
wow. i certainly don't blame her crew for thinking she's gone loopy. "come on - talk to me, shoot me, do SOMETHING." - reminds me of that same feeling of escape i thought that chief wanted last week. just wanting things to be different than how they are now, whatever that difference might be - the fact that it's different is what matters, not the specifics of what happens. **nods** I think this feeling is growing in the whole fleet, in some of the Cylons as well. But especially the humans. Because the longer you float in space, the more you'd be thinking "what now, where are we going, what the hell is the point of all this?". i absolutely agree, lola. i think it makes perfect sense for (almost) everybody to wonder such things in such a situation. how long can someone be expected to wait for something that hasn't happened yet, or something that has shown no benefits yet? i just cleaned up a bunch of cat barf and i'm so tired now that i'll finish the ep tomorrow. looking forward to reading the rest of what y'all think
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Post by Lola m on May 2, 2008 21:45:17 GMT -5
Now, now, minions, behave. Rock-star Baltar says to not clap! Ooooh, he's gonna challenge Chief straight up? Dude! Come down here and take my hand. If not for yourself, then for your wife. Damn. If we get Chief/Baltar, I may have to claw my eyes out. Take my hand. Ah, will we get a "he's a cylon" realisation? No, an attempted strangulation instead. Cool! "You didn't know her." He seems to be saying that to everyone lately. Damn! Is he doing a Boomer move here? Think of the baby, dude!! I hope he at least has someone else taking care of the kid. I can never get enough of Starbuck kicking Leoben's ass. Although, I do doubt it was a set up. Frankly, it would be a stupid thing to do beliberately. I mean, it doesn't help the alliance scheme and it didn't hurt enough humans to be an attack. Mystical Leoben . . . la la la. Have to make peace with your past. Which past? What part? At least some of the crew are still wondering if Kara is really Kara. "In this war, people die and it's stupid. There's no nobility in it." All of this fitting the growing questioning of what exactly is going on, where to go, what to do, etc. "We came out here to complete a mission." Actually, that's the most Starbuck-y we've heard in a while. Because, it's true, really. They got sent out there to try and find Earth. And all their military misisons have the possibility of dying, just like this one.
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Post by Lola m on May 2, 2008 21:55:00 GMT -5
Why is Gaius so intent on getting Chief into his little club? Apologizing for his presumption. Which is, like, good. But anything he does, I'm suspicious of. Oooooooh! "We change. We evolve." What an intriguing thing to say to a skin-job. Whoa. Chief looks like he's gonna cut a bitch, and then he holds out his hand instead. WTF? Helo versus Sharon for the hearts and minds of the crew! Readyyyyy to ruuumble! Adama won't leave, eh? Hmmmmmm. I'm not so sure. But then again, where the hell else are they to go? Oh, but they've got the Roslin plan, I forgot. And now here it comes. Mutiny on the Garbage Scow!
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Post by Sue on May 3, 2008 7:09:41 GMT -5
Hmm.
Did it feel like a lot of filler to anyone else?
I think it's meant to be atmospheric and building on character, but I am shallow (and possibly a bit grumpy) and I want plot advancement.
Or maybe I just can't handle complicated, depressing, dark, unexplained emotions and purposes and especially the intense feeling that I'd give anything for a shower and air-conditioning.
I think it's just a personal problem with the style of story-telling (and maybe I'm grumpy) so mostly ignore me.
Still, somebody who is more tuned in to the show: did it feel like some "filler?"
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Post by Shan on May 3, 2008 10:13:47 GMT -5
Hmm. Did it feel like a lot of filler to anyone else? Ooh, not to me! I was looking forward to some more on the Garbage Scow, as Lola called it. I've always felt the show is all ABOUT characters so all the "building on character" really works for me as plot advancement. It's why I watch the show. I think they want to make finding out the whys and wherefores of the complicated, depressing, dark, unexplained emotions and purposes the reason we watch. They made ME want to find out for, oh, four years now. ;D Watching them be all sweaty speaks to my own shallow side, though. Are you still grumpy?
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Post by Sue on May 3, 2008 11:21:47 GMT -5
Hmm. Did it feel like a lot of filler to anyone else? Ooh, not to me! I was looking forward to some more on the Garbage Scow, as Lola called it. I've always felt the show is all ABOUT characters so all the "building on character" really works for me as plot advancement. It's why I watch the show. I think they want to make finding out the whys and wherefores of the complicated, depressing, dark, unexplained emotions and purposes the reason we watch. They made ME want to find out for, oh, four years now. ;D Watching them be all sweaty speaks to my own shallow side, though. Are you still grumpy? Eh. Maybe moody. But it helps to see another POV. It is as I suspected----as much as I want to be part of the "BSG experience" my personal preference leans toward the "more action, less personal angst and mythology" type of storytelling. I can appreciate the work that is being done, but don't so much "feel the love." Which is okay. But I don't like to get on a thread and be all negative when I could simply just not post. So, mostly I just needed to know that it was my personal perspective. Thanks.
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on May 3, 2008 12:56:53 GMT -5
Hmm. Did it feel like a lot of filler to anyone else? I think it's meant to be atmospheric and building on character, but I am shallow (and possibly a bit grumpy) and I want plot advancement. Or maybe I just can't handle complicated, depressing, dark, unexplained emotions and purposes and especially the intense feeling that I'd give anything for a shower and air-conditioning. I think it's just a personal problem with the style of story-telling (and maybe I'm grumpy) so mostly ignore me. Still, somebody who is more tuned in to the show: did it feel like some "filler?" I dunno, I think Kara's crew mutinying is plot advancement- especially since they're confident that they won't get their asses handed to them when they rendezvous with the fleet. Julia, found the ease with which they all folded like wet cardboard hard to take: one cylon, one death, and they all wimp out?
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Post by Sue on May 3, 2008 14:20:20 GMT -5
Hmm. Did it feel like a lot of filler to anyone else? I think it's meant to be atmospheric and building on character, but I am shallow (and possibly a bit grumpy) and I want plot advancement. Or maybe I just can't handle complicated, depressing, dark, unexplained emotions and purposes and especially the intense feeling that I'd give anything for a shower and air-conditioning. I think it's just a personal problem with the style of story-telling (and maybe I'm grumpy) so mostly ignore me. Still, somebody who is more tuned in to the show: did it feel like some "filler?" I dunno, I think Kara's crew mutinying is plot advancement- especially since they're confident that they won't get their asses handed to them when they rendezvous with the fleet. Julia, found the ease with which they all folded like wet cardboard hard to take: one cylon, one death, and they all wimp out? Well, when previously death was merely a temporary inconveniece---it wasn't really DEATH. So they'd probably never dealt with the permanence of being really, most sincerely dead.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 3, 2008 14:23:48 GMT -5
Teaser Demetrius. Day 58. And the crew hasn't mutinied yet? Ah, Helo comes to talk sense to Kara. Kara hasn't found the signal again. Do you think it was because they moved to far away from her return point, or was it bound to fade with time? Baltar's harem is more serious now, less lovey-dovey. Anger against not only the Cylons, but all the people who designed and implemented them. Anger against the gods. But most of all against the people who did everything to provoke the war but did nothing to protect us. Topical, no? I wonder if that bit of knowledge Adama has about the admiralcy violating the armistice is going to come up. Is Baltar wearing pajamas and a bathrobe? It's not because the gods aren't listening it's because they don't exist. Baltar's radio show. Tyrol shaved his head? Because? Athena critical of Kara. Ah, they've reached their time limit. Kara goes out in a viper. Helo follows her? Oh, Hotdog. Enemy contact. It's going to be some other being, I'm guessing. Oh, I guess it is a Cylon. It's one that Cavil blew the shit out of, isn't it? It's Leoben!!!!!! ? Proposes a truce.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 3, 2008 14:41:41 GMT -5
Part I Bringing Leoben on board. Leoben's also been to earth? Kara wants Leoben taken to her quarters? Is that wise? Tory and Tyrol. I kind of feel like Tory is a bad influence and should be kept away from everyone. How did she go from anti-depressents to suicide? Doesn't that happen all the time. Oh, they had their conversation in the airlock? If I were on Galactica, I would stay as far away as possible from airlocks, considering all that's happened. So what are Kara and Leoben doing in her quarters anyway? Which might be funny if they're history wasn't so disturbing. He's helping her paint? Huh? The Cylons know about Earth? I thought they didn't know any more than the humans. Anders tries to knock sense into Kara. Is Leoben going to be able to sense that Anders is a Cylon. Leoben just wants Kara to understand her destiny. Is that so wrong? This is not all that we are. Ah, so this Leoben did indeed come from the ship that Cavil destroyed. So now the Cylons want us to rescue them? Hee! The crew tries to decide their next step. Interestingly Athena is the skeptic. And hints at mutiny. More Tory and Baltar, ugh. About the Baltar-Roslin conflict. And that's a good point, wouldn't Roslin have a problem with Tory associating with him all the time. What is Tyrol up to? Tyrol is genuinely interested in Baltar. Tigh is still associating with Caprica. So the Final Four are all deteriorating in their own way. Except Anders who seems pretty stable, but maybe that's because he's been apart from most of the fleet. Inspecting Leoben's ship. Gas leak. Explosion! Now what does that mean? Wait, did she die? Crap, I really liked her.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 3, 2008 14:50:59 GMT -5
Part II
So Baltar's movement is about change.
Baltar and Tyrol.
Tyrol chastises Baltar. Yay! And then he tries to kill Baltar. Yay? And he looses it. Poor Tyrol.
Kara delivers some whoopass again some more.
Damn, Mathias really is dead.
What game is Leoben playing here? I am still so confused about his motivations.
Doubts about Kara's true nature.
Memorial for Mathias. Worst eulogy ever, Kara.
Dissension in the ranks.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 3, 2008 14:58:05 GMT -5
Part III
Baltar wearing a hoodie. Hee!
Baltar talks to Tyrol. Reflects on his own journey. And he truly confesses. He sees himself as atoning and giving into fate?
Helo is going to mutiny. Yep.
So this is more like a strike than a mutiny.
Oh, this is military code. So there's some kind of legitimacy to this act.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 3, 2008 15:15:05 GMT -5
Hmm. Did it feel like a lot of filler to anyone else? I think it's meant to be atmospheric and building on character, but I am shallow (and possibly a bit grumpy) and I want plot advancement. Or maybe I just can't handle complicated, depressing, dark, unexplained emotions and purposes and especially the intense feeling that I'd give anything for a shower and air-conditioning. I think it's just a personal problem with the style of story-telling (and maybe I'm grumpy) so mostly ignore me. Still, somebody who is more tuned in to the show: did it feel like some "filler?" It didn't wow me either. A transitional episode, maybe?
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Post by artemis on May 3, 2008 17:10:19 GMT -5
there were so many neat visuals in this episode - i love what a visual show BG is. in this one i think my favorite was how you see kara's shoulder framing the shot in her first scene and you see the tiny wordless shrug after helo asks her if she's been sleeping and then a second, bigger shrug as she verbally answers another of his questions. [ETA i forgot to say that i also found it visually interesting that baltar's ... sidekick (what is her name?) was wearing blue throughout this episode, as mary typically wore it in old artworks.] i wish the preview hadn't given away the strong likelihood of the mutiny though. i thought it was especially too bad because earlier on in the episode the writers and director had done such a nice job of setting up how likely the crew was to side with helo instead of kara - how she was acting so erratic and not explaining herself at all - seeming to have a "just do what i say!" attitude - while helo was the one acting like a captain, including sometimes the two of them talking at the same time in the same scene to sharply illustrate the differences.
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