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Post by artemis on May 19, 2008 18:45:29 GMT -5
So if the final five have been to Earth and four of the five know the song "All Along the Watchtower", maybe the Earth is the Earth of sometime between 1967 (when Dylan released the song on his "John Wesley Harding" album) and the present. Maybe it will be the earth of 1978 when the first Battlestar series was created. They arrive and find jobs as TV writers. LOLOL! That would be hilarious! that would be too funny! |
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Post by artemis on May 19, 2008 18:49:55 GMT -5
has the actor done singing work in the past? he (assuming it's him singing) has a beautiful voice. Lovely lovely voice! i was still curious if he's done vocal work, so i checked imdb.com. according to their trivia section on him: "Graduated from McGill University with a B.M. in vocal/opera performance." |
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Post by Lola m on May 22, 2008 12:15:46 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing.  I've been thinking of that as a pattern- several times (notably when Leoben showed up on the sewage ship) it's been a Cylon most opposed to another Cylon. Julia, not that I'm actually thinking, as I'm one sip of coffee into breakfast **nods** Nicely matching the Cylon civil war. Which is nicely matched by the various human against human splits we've seen. |
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Post by Lola m on May 22, 2008 12:27:10 GMT -5
I only know about 1% of the mythology so these observations my either be irrelevant or already covered? 1. "The Twelve". So. With all the parallels (including the infamous Last Supper promo poster) to the Disciples, what is the chance of there being 12 disciples but an additional Savior?Or, is that the role Hera is supposed to fulfill? (And, of course, the chief has a little bi-species baby of his own.) Would they suddenly add a 13th Cyclon or Hybrid at the last moment? 2. Has anything been made (it's a stretch) about the designation "6". Mostly because looking at Hera's drawing book I was struck by the repetition: 6-6-6. Which, of course, might point to something devilish. Too random? Just wondering if 6 (who goes around whispering things into people's ears in visions) will turn out to be some sort of bad angel Cylon, or perhaps, traitor? I get that she's already a traitor to some of the other Cylon models. But then, that would give us (at least) 3 Judases, rather than just one. 3. Yeah, about that "let the 5 go with us." Which models might choose to go with the Cylons and which would choose to stay with the humans? **nods** I love how both cylons and humans seem to be assuming the 5 would just go toddling along; would all want to go. Not that easy, I'm thinking. I have my own conflicted feelings about the decision to remove the download option from all cylons forever. As a tactic to use against an enemy, I can understand it. But, oddly enough, once you start having some cylons who are aligned with humans . . . it's hard to explain, but why do they get to decide how all cylons should be? I mean, what if some cylons want to stop being enemies of humans but also stay the way they are? You're removing the option of any cylon from being the way they are. Like, what if Roslin and the government and the top military folks all made an agreement with the cylons that said "all humans will cut off on leg so as to be less threatening and then the war will be over" or "all humans will convert to your religion as part of the deal to end the war". Do they have the right to alter all of "their" people as part of peace agreement? What if some humans were fine with ending the war and getting along with the cylons but don't want to lose a leg or take on some other religion? It's giving me a very odd conflicted feeling about a plan that is tatically very good for the humans (if it works) and could be the path to a peaceful resolution. I assume they arrive full grown and have a memory of a life inserted, so to speak. But I don't know if that's totally been confirmed. And I don't know if these 4 new ones are the same as the other skin jobs . . . |
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Post by Lola m on May 22, 2008 12:27:45 GMT -5
So if the final five have been to Earth and four of the five know the song "All Along the Watchtower", maybe the Earth is the Earth of sometime between 1967 (when Dylan released the song on his "John Wesley Harding" album) and the present. Maybe it will be the earth of 1978 when the first Battlestar series was created. They arrive and find jobs as TV writers. Genius!! This is obviously what must happen! ;D |
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Post by Lola m on May 22, 2008 12:28:59 GMT -5
I could see Tigh screwing up and letting the info out in error. And I could see Chief deciding he just wants to tell all and the hell with the consequences. I thought about that with Tigh as well, what with the drinking issue. He doesn't seem to have been as perpetually soused lately, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have a relapse. **nods** Add in his mini-mental-breakdown about Six and his dead wife and . . . Well, he could go off the rails soooooo easily. |
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Post by Rachael on May 22, 2008 12:32:57 GMT -5
So...Kara is the harbinger of death who will lead them all to their ends.
Meaning...to the day when they can no longer resurrect?
Also, WTF? Is there something about the Boomer/Athena model that lends itself to that behavior? I mean, I get protecting one's child, but shooting someone who wasn't actually trying to steal your kid, and AFTER the kid was safe? Not of the good.
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Post by Rachael on May 22, 2008 12:45:43 GMT -5
Okay, so. I have a new favorite theory.
I'm back on the "Roslin is the last cylon" bandwagon. But it's not my theory, it's Dave's. Credit where it's due, and all that.
His theory: the goal was never to eliminate all humans. The goal was to get the humans to find earth, which the Cylons couldn't, for some reason, do, but desperately need to do.
So - eliminate most of the human race whilst simultaneously getting your people into positions of power and control.
Boomer was meant to kill Adama, thus leaving Tigh in charge of the military arm.
The chain of government was killed all the way down to number 68, or whatever Roslin was. She then becomes President, in charge of the civilian arm.
Three of the four were important leaders of the resistance on New Caprica, yes? To get the humans back off that planet, perhaps?
The evidence for the hypothesis is Roslin's dreams/visions, which she shares with the cylons.
I like this...I still have two issues that must be resolved, for me, though.
First - if it IS Roslin, there's still the matter of another layer of conspiracy to uncover, since I'm certain Roslin doesn't know she's a Cylon. Someone must be pulling the strings, and no one knows who that is. If it isn't the Final Cylon, then who? And where?
God, the Cylon God, is who, I'd guess. And where?
Well, Earth, presumably.
Second - Baltar. He also sometimes shares the dreams/visions. Is he thus also a Cylon? I think not - but then, what is he? Just a prophet?
Oh, and on the "final layer of complexity" thing - my alternative favored hypothesis is still that the Final Cylon knows, and has always know, what he/she is. And is hanging out, manipulating things behind the scenes.
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Post by Lola m on May 23, 2008 11:54:26 GMT -5
Okay, so. I have a new favorite theory. I'm back on the "Roslin is the last cylon" bandwagon. But it's not my theory, it's Dave's. Credit where it's due, and all that. His theory: the goal was never to eliminate all humans. The goal was to get the humans to find earth, which the Cylons couldn't, for some reason, do, but desperately need to do. So - eliminate most of the human race whilst simultaneously getting your people into positions of power and control. Boomer was meant to kill Adama, thus leaving Tigh in charge of the military arm. The chain of government was killed all the way down to number 68, or whatever Roslin was. She then becomes President, in charge of the civilian arm. Three of the four were important leaders of the resistance on New Caprica, yes? To get the humans back off that planet, perhaps? The evidence for the hypothesis is Roslin's dreams/visions, which she shares with the cylons. I like this...I still have two issues that must be resolved, for me, though. First - if it IS Roslin, there's still the matter of another layer of conspiracy to uncover, since I'm certain Roslin doesn't know she's a Cylon. Someone must be pulling the strings, and no one knows who that is. If it isn't the Final Cylon, then who? And where? God, the Cylon God, is who, I'd guess. And where? Well, Earth, presumably. Second - Baltar. He also sometimes shares the dreams/visions. Is he thus also a Cylon? I think not - but then, what is he? Just a prophet? Oh, and on the "final layer of complexity" thing - my alternative favored hypothesis is still that the Final Cylon knows, and has always know, what he/she is. And is hanging out, manipulating things behind the scenes. I like this reasoning for a "Roslin is the last cylon" theory. I alternate between thinking it is probably one of the two leaders (her or Adama) and thinking it will turn out to be a character that has been there all along but seemed less important - hiding in plain sight, so to speak. Like Gaeta or Doc Cottle. |
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Post by Squeemonster on May 23, 2008 21:09:43 GMT -5
Okay, so. I have a new favorite theory. I'm back on the "Roslin is the last cylon" bandwagon. But it's not my theory, it's Dave's. Credit where it's due, and all that. His theory: the goal was never to eliminate all humans. The goal was to get the humans to find earth, which the Cylons couldn't, for some reason, do, but desperately need to do. So - eliminate most of the human race whilst simultaneously getting your people into positions of power and control. Boomer was meant to kill Adama, thus leaving Tigh in charge of the military arm. The chain of government was killed all the way down to number 68, or whatever Roslin was. She then becomes President, in charge of the civilian arm. Three of the four were important leaders of the resistance on New Caprica, yes? To get the humans back off that planet, perhaps? The evidence for the hypothesis is Roslin's dreams/visions, which she shares with the cylons. I like this...I still have two issues that must be resolved, for me, though. First - if it IS Roslin, there's still the matter of another layer of conspiracy to uncover, since I'm certain Roslin doesn't know she's a Cylon. Someone must be pulling the strings, and no one knows who that is. If it isn't the Final Cylon, then who? And where? God, the Cylon God, is who, I'd guess. And where? Well, Earth, presumably. Second - Baltar. He also sometimes shares the dreams/visions. Is he thus also a Cylon? I think not - but then, what is he? Just a prophet? Oh, and on the "final layer of complexity" thing - my alternative favored hypothesis is still that the Final Cylon knows, and has always know, what he/she is. And is hanging out, manipulating things behind the scenes. I like this reasoning for a "Roslin is the last cylon" theory. I alternate between thinking it is probaly one of the two leaders (her or Adama) and thinking it will turn out to be a character that has been there all along but seemed less important - hiding in plain sight, so to speak. Like Gaeta or Doc Cottle. Doc Cottle? *brain pings* It's Cottle!! That could be brilliant! ;D  |
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Post by artemis on May 24, 2008 13:59:08 GMT -5
I have my own conflicted feelings about the decision to remove the download option from all cylons forever. As a tactic to use against an enemy, I can understand it. But, oddly enough, once you start having some cylons who are aligned with humans . . . it's hard to explain, but why do they get to decide how all cylons should be? I mean, what if some cylons want to stop being enemies of humans but also stay the way they are? You're removing the option of any cylon from being the way they are. Like, what if Roslin and the government and the top military folks all made an agreement with the cylons that said "all humans will cut off on leg so as to be less threatening and then the war will be over" or "all humans will convert to your religion as part of the deal to end the war". Do they have the right to alter all of "their" people as part of peace agreement? What if some humans were fine with ending the war and getting along with the cylons but don't want to lose a leg or take on some other religion? It's giving me a very odd conflicted feeling about a plan that is tatically very good for the humans (if it works) and could be the path to a peaceful resolution. i completely agree. i understood natalie's point about how the transitory, temporary nature of life - mortality - is what gives life the most meaning (it seems a lot of immortal characters in other fictional works wrestle with a similar question/issue/thought) but it seems to me like it's only fair for them to make that choice FOR THEM - and i don't know how they would be able to be the only cylons who didn't resurrect. hmm. i guess they could just wander off away from a resurrection ship and leave the other cylons to choose to do so or not as they wished. i haven't seen any definitive explanation of this, either, as far as i can recall. they seem to have been with the humans for a good while (tigh has been in the service with adama a long time, no?), but as to how long and how they got there - we don't seem to know yet. |
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Post by artemis on May 24, 2008 14:02:05 GMT -5
Okay, so. I have a new favorite theory. I'm back on the "Roslin is the last cylon" bandwagon. But it's not my theory, it's Dave's. Credit where it's due, and all that. His theory: the goal was never to eliminate all humans. The goal was to get the humans to find earth, which the Cylons couldn't, for some reason, do, but desperately need to do. So - eliminate most of the human race whilst simultaneously getting your people into positions of power and control. <snip> i really like this theory too. i have no idea if it could be right (like most of you, i don't know who the creators have said could and could not be the last cylon), but i think it would be clever.  |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 25, 2008 12:19:34 GMT -5
Teaser
So Baltar's turned from Shakespeare to expose journalism.
Lee confronts Laura.
And Laura's serious lost touch with what the purpose of her office is.
Just because you've had an existential crisis doesn't make it OK, Laura.
Lee is shocked by Laura's confession.
That's a really pretty shot of the basestar. Dead and silent.
Natalie wondering about Hera.
And where is Hera exactly? Who's looking after her at the moment.
All the Cylons know about Hera because Athena was blessed.
Huh?
Return to the fleet.
The Basestar's got no comm. Oops.
Demetrius shows up at the last minute.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 25, 2008 12:27:12 GMT -5
Part I
Debriefing with Adama and Roslin.
So where is the boxing facility exactly?
Ah, a resurrection hub.
That jumps around at random to protect itself.
Interesting.
Vengeance.
We're rebels; we can't go back.
Tigh is part terrified and intrigued.
Is Natalie going to get to meet Caprica?
The Rebel Cylons want to take the Final Five with them.
Are they so sure that the Five would want to go with them?
Aren't these the same two that found New Caprica?
What did they find? A star? A nebula?
Gaeta's surgery.
Oh, they have to amputate? Oh, dear.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 25, 2008 12:42:38 GMT -5
Part II
The inner circle deciding their next step.
Tigh asks why the Cylons refuse to fight them now when they had no problem before.
Quorum meeting.
Schism between the President and the Quorum.
Hmm. That sounds familiar.
The Final Four meets.
Gaeta sings to get over the pain of his phantom leg.
So does that mean he's the Final Cylon?
Tory and Laura meeting.
About the shared vision rumors.
And Laura knows about Tory and Baltar.
the Nymph-Squad.
BWAH!
Laura dresses down Tory. And then uses her indiscretion against her.
Cold! But appropriate, I think.
And also, Laura's given her the same mission that Tigh did.
Rebel Cylons meeting.
Leoben seems so normal and likable when he's not abusing Kara or messing with her mind.
Talk of hostages.
That'll go over well.
And Natalie's seeing the Final Five as commodities rather than autonomous being.
the Cylons have changed but the humans haven't.
Hmm.
Well, at least Gaeta's not singing All Along the Watch Tower.
And he's also providing solace for all the other patients.
Lee sees Laura in the infirmary.
Quorum wants to vote for no confidence.
What would happen then, I wonder?
Laura refuses to compromise.
She's going to lose then.
The Quorum members were empty.
About coping with uncertainty.
Laura is probably a perfect example as to why leaders shouldn't be in charge forever.
Lee proposes a compromise. Pushes Laura to communicate.
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