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Aug 12, 2008 8:19:28 GMT -5
Post by Squeemonster on Aug 12, 2008 8:19:28 GMT -5
So, will this dinner work or just crash and burn? I wonder if the best way for it to go is to simply show him being obnoxious to other people and then have him give a sort of apology. That way, the client's wife would see he is basically an asshole to everyone, that's his schtick, and it wouldn't be like she was singled out. Oh, nice editing! Don leaving the table to follow Mrs. Jerk and then cutting to Harry walking through the doorway at home. Just some show, you wouldn't like it. Is he sure? The window for this apology is closing. And she smacks the contract right back at him. Wants money to get the apology. Ooooh, damn!! That's some way to, um, make your argument. Damn! Did I say this ep was steamy or what? And holy crap. How did she get him to do that apology so well? Does he think they're getting the extra money? Or did she tell him to apologize if she gave him the cue and he doesn't know why? Yeah. That's crying because you're happy. Sure looks like it to me. Hmmmm. Wanted to be part of his life, wants to be a partner. Maybe she does see this as a "happy" moment, but the two of them are sure not doing well, are they? Lollipops and roses. Damn. Crazy steamy episode! I should probably re-watch it because I feel like I'm missing something--some subtext or something. I loved the stuff with Harry. Very proud-making, the way he went after that promotion. It sure does feel like they are building up to something big. The clips from next week look verrrry interesting. And where is Rachel Mencken? I'm missing her. I wonder if she'll ever come back.
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Aug 13, 2008 21:51:03 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Aug 13, 2008 21:51:03 GMT -5
So, will this dinner work or just crash and burn? I wonder if the best way for it to go is to simply show him being obnoxious to other people and then have him give a sort of apology. That way, the client's wife would see he is basically an asshole to everyone, that's his schtick, and it wouldn't be like she was singled out. Oh, nice editing! Don leaving the table to follow Mrs. Jerk and then cutting to Harry walking through the doorway at home. Just some show, you wouldn't like it. Is he sure? The window for this apology is closing. And she smacks the contract right back at him. Wants money to get the apology. Ooooh, damn!! That's some way to, um, make your argument. Damn! Did I say this ep was steamy or what? And holy crap. How did she get him to do that apology so well? Does he think they're getting the extra money? Or did she tell him to apologize if she gave him the cue and he doesn't know why? Yeah. That's crying because you're happy. Sure looks like it to me. Hmmmm. Wanted to be part of his life, wants to be a partner. Maybe she does see this as a "happy" moment, but the two of them are sure not doing well, are they? Lollipops and roses. Damn. Crazy steamy episode! I should probably re-watch it because I feel like I'm missing something--some subtext or something. I loved the stuff with Harry. Very proud-making, the way he went after that promotion. It sure does feel like they are building up to something big. The clips from next week look verrrry interesting. And where is Rachel Mencken? I'm missing her. I wonder if she'll ever come back. Very steamy! For me, the best part of the Harry storyline is how he went at it in his own way. So he got a new job that he is actually interested in and has good prospects and some more money, but without much compromise on his part.
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Mad Men
Aug 16, 2008 7:59:34 GMT -5
Post by Karen on Aug 16, 2008 7:59:34 GMT -5
"Steamy" does not begin to cover it. Don doesn't mess around, does he? Ah.. Betsy. She is soooo sad, like the young man said. Barely holding it together sad, I think. I hate to see her repress - she should just let it go and get it out, but she doesn't want to lose Don, so she's holding on to the illusion. Don has to be feeling some major guilt where she is concerned, and their relationship is going to suffer for it. I loved the ad and television segments of this episode. It was really hard to watch Peggy during the screening of the abortion episode of the Defenders. (I think I remember watching that episode - or something similar.) Again. I was struck with how beautifully shot Mad Men is. The one scene where Don and the manager/wife of the comedian were sillouetted against the shelving on the set was really cool.
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Mad Men
Aug 16, 2008 8:01:42 GMT -5
Post by Karen on Aug 16, 2008 8:01:42 GMT -5
Crazy steamy episode! I should probably re-watch it because I feel like I'm missing something--some subtext or something. I loved the stuff with Harry. Very proud-making, the way he went after that promotion. It sure does feel like they are building up to something big. The clips from next week look verrrry interesting. And where is Rachel Mencken? I'm missing her. I wonder if she'll ever come back. Very steamy! For me, the best part of the Harry storyline is how he went at it in his own way. So he got a new job that he is actually interested in and has good prospects and some more money, but without much compromise on his part. I love Harry. He did think he had gotten caught opening his co-worker's check, and I'm not sure he didn't. But he managed to hold his tongue when his boss said 'no one makes that kind of money here' - a baldfaced lie - and maybe a test to see if Harry would argue with him further. Good play on Harry's part.
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Mad Men
Aug 16, 2008 8:10:05 GMT -5
Post by Karen on Aug 16, 2008 8:10:05 GMT -5
So, will this dinner work or just crash and burn? I wonder if the best way for it to go is to simply show him being obnoxious to other people and then have him give a sort of apology. That way, the client's wife would see he is basically an asshole to everyone, that's his schtick, and it wouldn't be like she was singled out. Oh, nice editing! Don leaving the table to follow Mrs. Jerk and then cutting to Harry walking through the doorway at home. Just some show, you wouldn't like it. Is he sure? The window for this apology is closing. And she smacks the contract right back at him. Wants money to get the apology. Ooooh, damn!! That's some way to, um, make your argument. Damn! Did I say this ep was steamy or what? And holy crap. How did she get him to do that apology so well? Does he think they're getting the extra money? Or did she tell him to apologize if she gave him the cue and he doesn't know why? Yeah. That's crying because you're happy. Sure looks like it to me. Hmmmm. Wanted to be part of his life, wants to be a partner. Maybe she does see this as a "happy" moment, but the two of them are sure not doing well, are they? Lollipops and roses. Damn. I thought the apology was very well done, actually. But the way he bit his fist when the wife said that she doesn't 'have the stomach' for that kind of joking around....had me embarrassed to say, laughing out loud. Very well done - by both actors. He seemed to be playing a Joey Bishop lookalike. I remember he had the same look and biting humor. Don't know if he was an ass in real life or not. I think Betsy is trying desperately to believe that Don needs her. Which he does, but not in the way she thinks she wants.
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Aug 16, 2008 12:36:20 GMT -5
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Aug 16, 2008 12:36:20 GMT -5
Hey, It's the guy from The Magic Bullet! I love this guy. I should probably learn his name. And is he actually starting to go gray, or is that just makeup? Utz are better than nuts? That's scraping the bottom of the barrel. Wow, this is one whacked commercial. Neat to watch the old school filming. Back at the ranch. Don's watch. I vaguely remember something significant about a watch. Betty's friend is from the South and she doesn't have a Southern accent? OK, now I can clearly see that that's Denise Crosby. Betty's jealous. Pay day. Oh, this one's the nice guy, not Paul. The beard threw me off. First finding out Joan's real age, and now Nice guy looking at a co-workers paycheck? The people at this office really lack scruples. Or really have it in for ech other. Or both. Oh yeah, nice guy's got a baby on the way. Nice Guy = Harry. Ken (Blonde Guy?) makes much more than Harry. And he's not married, and therefore undeserving? What film is this? Now Don's watching movies during the day rather than working. Is anybody going to care? Harry talking with Sal. Whether media is a meritocracy. About self-worth. Roger doesn't keep a pack of cigarettes in his pocket, and therefore he doesn't smoke. Blow up on the commercial set. This is rapidly turning into French farce. OK, Don stepping out did have consequences. So, Don takes it out on his secretary. Oy. Secretaries need to manage people's expectations. Yeah, she's probably not cut out for the job if she's getting fed up with lying for Don all the time. Poor girl. Raising abortion's ugly head. Second reference to missing the 50s. Joan taking over as Don's secretary. Don cleaning up the mess at the shoot. Sounds like Don is the perfect guy for this job because he is almost exactly like this actor person. Is he going to end up making out with this chick? Hailstorm. And, here we go. Rinsing out his mouth as soon as he gets home. Smart. I feel so sorry for Don's kids. They are perfectly aware of wackiness going on with their parents, but they don't have enough information to fully understand what's going on and why. It's really going to screw them up. So, monogamy's not working out too well for Don, is it? And now he's inviting her them to dinner. Sloppy. Is Betty going to have an affair with Young Guy? Now Young Guy veres off into melodrama. Great. You're profoundly sad. It's just my people are nordic. Betty's blue coat matches Joan's blue dress. Both are very striking. Betty's not sad, she's grateful. Is this one where I talk or where I don't talk? Yikes. Controversy finds viewers. Women will find a way to watch, if only not to feel left out. Catharsis. Family company. Politics are in. The Bel Jolie guy know each other? Like know each other know each other? Roger and Harry scene. Wacky misunderstandings. Harry gets to be head of the television department. And a slight raise. Poor nice guy. Maybe he's too nice to be working in a cutthroat place like this. You're not Jackie, but you're definitely [JFK's] type. Oy. Don sneaks out for another tyrst. Harry not telling his wife that the show was about abortion. Oy again. Contract negotiations. How far is Don going to go to fix this problem? Yikes. Don sure is willing to play dirty. Yuck. And Don gets his apology. Betty's happy because she thinks she's finally getting to be a part of Don's life. Oy.
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Aug 17, 2008 21:22:07 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Aug 17, 2008 21:22:07 GMT -5
Peggy is not getting into the sermon, I'm thinking. Hmmmmm. Is this new priest gonna be a new character, or . . . .? Heee! Don and Betty are all cute and sexy and snuggly and then, kids! "Get out! We're . . . sleeping!" ;D Damn! That kid mixes a strong drink! Are Betty and Don comfortable in their life or are they trying a bit too hard? So, we're contrasting the two families on Sunday. The Olsons and the Drapers. "That was beautiful. Are you gona say grace now?" ;D Not big on change, are they? And now the guitar and so on. Vatican II is just around the corner, isn't it? More themes of love and family and sex and what that means. Mussels with garlic, if you do too. "I don't know if I'm your audience." "You're the one who was leaving." And he wants her professional expertise. Be simpler, give us a chance to understand. Change! Change is a comin'! What is going on with the Draper family? Hmmmm. So, schmoozing the client again, and I assume this woman is at least a sort of hooker? Do they not want Roger to know they are getting clients laid? Heh! TV idea. Derivitive, with a twist. What they're looking for. This is an interesting afair that Don is semi-having. What with him not really wanting to do it. And yet, he does. Offering Roger her number. Running theme with the Draper boy lying. Is he? "Mommy says you broke the hi-fi. I believe her. Don't do it again." Ah! We're getting to the heart of their conflicting ideas on how to raise their children. "Do you think you'd be the man you are if your father didn't hit you." Um. Well, no, I don't think he'd be as messed up, for one.
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Aug 17, 2008 21:41:52 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Aug 17, 2008 21:41:52 GMT -5
Jump to the next Sunday. A theme! Work versus family conflict at the Draper house. And they've invited Father Gill over once again at the Olson's. "Peggy helped you write something?" And "I felt I was the only one you were talking to." And mom is not happy. Suspicious looking. Does she see her daughter as tainted, after the Father in some way? Or does she suspect the "different" priest? Or . . . just thinking Peggy was stepping outside her proper role? Or . . . ? Bring your daughter to work day! Heeee! Everyone in their Sunday outfits. Pete in tennis whites. ;D Oooooh. And the throwdown between Don and Duck is out in the open. Heh! Joan is "babysitting". "I'm gonna have big ones when I grow up." The pitch for American. They've got a lot of bricks, but they don't know what the building is yet. Don needs to have one of his insprirations - and quick! Ah. Roger is heading back to hookers. First time he's cheated since his heart attack? He's not paid in a while, he's been seeing Joan, so . . . yeah, I can see that.
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Aug 17, 2008 21:58:19 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Aug 17, 2008 21:58:19 GMT -5
"Is that your maid?" "No, that's my girlfriend." And then the questions about kissing and laying on top. Hmmmm. Remembering last Sunday, eh, Sally? Do, the secretaries have to wait their turn for food and go in pairs or something? OMG, and they hate Peggy because she gets to eat first, with the men/writers. Ohhh. Even Cooper is for the big push. And firing secretaries. Heh! "He won't remember firing you." Funny, but also shows us that Duck is trying to act like an insider, like someone who can be more in the know that one of the founders. Hmmmm. Don starting to lay out his vision. American airlines compared to America - the future. Interesting that he's using Kennedy-speak now. "Ask not about Cuba, ask not about the bomb, we're going to the moon." No such thing as history, that crash happened to someone else. Huh. That . . . could work. "Let's pretend we know what 1963 looks like." Nice! And this is pathetic, since I'm almost to the end of the ep, but I'm heading off to bed, all sickly. I'll finish watching tomorrow.
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Aug 18, 2008 10:29:53 GMT -5
Post by Michelle on Aug 18, 2008 10:29:53 GMT -5
"I can't figure you out." "Why would you want to do that?" Wow. What a very interesting conversation between Betty and this riding guy. Sad - grateful - the flirting (from both of them, although mostly him) - and then the final shaking of her hands as she lights the cigarette. I was on the fence last season, but this season I'm more and more sure: I don't really like Betty very much. As a character, she's interesting, but as a person? I would hate her guts. She was obviously giving signals to the riding guy that she was interested and joined in on the catty remarks about his girlfriend. Then when she finds out it will be just her and the guy at the next lesson, she tells her daughter that she can't come riding with her because it's a mommies-only day. (What a crock!) So she clearly manipulated events in order to get some alone time with the dude, and he takes the opportunity to hit on her, as she knew he would. But she is so conflicted, she treats him like a gnat in her soup. I guess that's why I don't like her--she can be very manipulative, yet she doesn't seem to realize her own motivations for what she does.
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Aug 18, 2008 10:32:10 GMT -5
Post by Michelle on Aug 18, 2008 10:32:10 GMT -5
So, will this dinner work or just crash and burn? I wonder if the best way for it to go is to simply show him being obnoxious to other people and then have him give a sort of apology. That way, the client's wife would see he is basically an asshole to everyone, that's his schtick, and it wouldn't be like she was singled out. Oh, nice editing! Don leaving the table to follow Mrs. Jerk and then cutting to Harry walking through the doorway at home. Just some show, you wouldn't like it. Is he sure? The window for this apology is closing. And she smacks the contract right back at him. Wants money to get the apology. Ooooh, damn!! That's some way to, um, make your argument. Damn! Did I say this ep was steamy or what? And holy crap. How did she get him to do that apology so well? Does he think they're getting the extra money? Or did she tell him to apologize if she gave him the cue and he doesn't know why? Yeah. That's crying because you're happy. Sure looks like it to me. Hmmmm. Wanted to be part of his life, wants to be a partner. Maybe she does see this as a "happy" moment, but the two of them are sure not doing well, are they? Lollipops and roses. Damn. I thought the apology was very well done, actually. But the way he bit his fist when the wife said that she doesn't 'have the stomach' for that kind of joking around....had me embarrassed to say, laughing out loud. Very well done - by both actors. He seemed to be playing a Joey Bishop lookalike. I remember he had the same look and biting humor. Don't know if he was an ass in real life or not. I think Betsy is trying desperately to believe that Don needs her. Which he does, but not in the way she thinks she wants. Joey Bishop is a good guess! I was thinking more of Jerry Lewis. I laughed at his reaction to the stomach remark too.
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Aug 18, 2008 13:44:38 GMT -5
Post by Karen on Aug 18, 2008 13:44:38 GMT -5
"I can't figure you out." "Why would you want to do that?" Wow. What a very interesting conversation between Betty and this riding guy. Sad - grateful - the flirting (from both of them, although mostly him) - and then the final shaking of her hands as she lights the cigarette. I was on the fence last season, but this season I'm more and more sure: I don't really like Betty very much. As a character, she's interesting, but as a person? I would hate her guts. She was obviously giving signals to the riding guy that she was interested and joined in on the catty remarks about his girlfriend. Then when she finds out it will be just her and the guy at the next lesson, she tells her daughter that she can't come riding with her because it's a mommies-only day. (What a crock!) So she clearly manipulated events in order to get some alone time with the dude, and he takes the opportunity to hit on her, as she knew he would. But she is so conflicted, she treats him like a gnat in her soup. I guess that's why I don't like her--she can be very manipulative, yet she doesn't seem to realize her own motivations for what she does. Betty (Bets?) can be very manipulative. I think she knew what she was doing, but chickened out at the end. Hence, the shaking hands. You're right when you say that she treated him as a gnat - with no regards for his feelings. In that, she is totally clueless and self-centered. Hmm...now you got me thinking that her tears in the car with Don was also from the guilt she was feeling for almost cheating on Don. She is a very needy woman girl - still hurting from Don's betrayal. I don't dislike her, tho. In that day and age (and not too much has really changed nowadays), unemployed women with young children didn't have much of a choice in that situation. It was pretty much - shut up and put up with your spouse's indiscretions, or leave and have a much lower standard of living.
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Mad Men
Aug 19, 2008 4:53:44 GMT -5
Post by KMInfinity on Aug 19, 2008 4:53:44 GMT -5
She is a very needy woman girl - still hurting from Don's betrayal. I don't dislike her, tho. In that day and age (and not too much has really changed nowadays), unemployed women with young children didn't have much of a choice in that situation. It was pretty much - shut up and put up with your spouse's indiscretions, or leave and have a much lower standard of living. Yeah it was hard to like Betty in this episode. I keep hoping she'll become more self aware and become more empowered....many changes coming. Right now, I think of both Don and Betty (and the rest of the characters) as being trapped in their culture. I wonder how that will play as a universal theme? Are we really better off than they were in 1962 in terms of having more freedom, more options, more self awareness, more personal growth? Sometimes it seems so obvious that, whoa! we have really moved on from "those neanderthal ideas" but then something always brings me up short and I wonder are children really safer and better cared for today? Are women really liberated, or *more* free? The quick answer is yes, but.....
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Aug 19, 2008 19:46:55 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Aug 19, 2008 19:46:55 GMT -5
Uh oh. Little pitchers not only have ears, it seems like they possible sneak drinks, too. I wonder if Peggy will be someone who "gets" what Don is saying; she's done it in the past. Roger's extras are dinner with him. He's wanting company, isn't he? Missing Joan, even though I'll bet he never went out to eat with Joan. It's actually safer to go with a call girl . . . Ah, Roger. He's such a gentleman when he's paid for you straight up. "She's here on a Sunday, and I respect that. But you know she's earning more than all of us." Heh! Joan, always with the sharp commentary. Also, heh! They all see the glass and just smirk. I get so confused sometimes. Peggy's mom is the one that is thinking it's good that the priest went to Peggy for help with his sermon and it's her sister who is all "she does whatever she wants/you're too easy on her", yes? Good Friday and here comes the pitch to American. They're all "warming up" in their own way. And now . . . Ha!! Duck is screwed. His contact was fired and the pitch is pointless. Oh, Don. If you manage to pull this one off against all odds you'd be like a miracle man. Peggy's sister expressing her anger to the priest. Saying that it's on behalf of their mother, but it's her anger - anger and jealousy and hurt that she is "stuck" with the result of Peggy's "sin", taking care of her child, I'm betting. Peggy did what she sees as a horrible thing, "seducing a married man", and now Peggy has the fancy job and everyone talking about how far she's going. You can tell by the way she talks about "everyone else falls all over her" and so on. I wonder if she even is talking about Peggy and her illegimate childe particularly because she knows which priest it is. The one who seemed to pay too much attention to Peggy. Oh, this feels so real! "What about me, Father? My troubles? What about me being good, for what?" Nice acting and writing. Hmmmmm. Don is pissed off. Duck is being a bit too easy about it all - methinks he's more nervous than he's letting on. And Roger is being . . . nonchalant. Ah! The love of the chase is what he loves. Holy crap. Don did something alright. Oooooh, this fight has been coming for a while, hasn't it. Resentment on all sides. To her, support means being there, to him support means he provides. It's the classic argument. And still not really saying what they're mad about. Whoa, she really didn't think he'd shove back, did she? Don: Dads get mad sometimes. Bobby: Did your daddy get mad? Don: He did. Bobby: What did he look like? Don: Like me, but bigger. . . . . Bobby: What did he do?" Don: I told you, he was a farmer. Bobby: But he died. Don: A long time ago. Bobby: We have to get you a new daddy. Well, damn, just rip my heart out, willya? **sniffle** And now, in the dark in their bedroom, a bit more of the real underlying stuff comes out. "He's a little kid. My father beat the hell out of me. All it did was make me fantasize about the day I could murder him." "I didn't know that." "And I wasn't half as good as Bobby." And then she spoons him. Good starty you two, but you gotta keep it up! I think discipline in Betty's childhood was different than Don's and thus they have very different views on what it could be with their own kids. And yes, that means you two need to talk about this! Along with a hell of lot of other topics!! Awwwww - the priest gives Peggy an Easter egg "for the little one". Man!! This ep just yanked on each and every heartstring, didn't it?
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Aug 19, 2008 19:57:04 GMT -5
Post by Lola m on Aug 19, 2008 19:57:04 GMT -5
So, will this dinner work or just crash and burn? I wonder if the best way for it to go is to simply show him being obnoxious to other people and then have him give a sort of apology. That way, the client's wife would see he is basically an asshole to everyone, that's his schtick, and it wouldn't be like she was singled out. Oh, nice editing! Don leaving the table to follow Mrs. Jerk and then cutting to Harry walking through the doorway at home. Just some show, you wouldn't like it. Is he sure? The window for this apology is closing. And she smacks the contract right back at him. Wants money to get the apology. Ooooh, damn!! That's some way to, um, make your argument. Damn! Did I say this ep was steamy or what? And holy crap. How did she get him to do that apology so well? Does he think they're getting the extra money? Or did she tell him to apologize if she gave him the cue and he doesn't know why? Yeah. That's crying because you're happy. Sure looks like it to me. Hmmmm. Wanted to be part of his life, wants to be a partner. Maybe she does see this as a "happy" moment, but the two of them are sure not doing well, are they? Lollipops and roses. Damn. I thought the apology was very well done, actually. But the way he bit his fist when the wife said that she doesn't 'have the stomach' for that kind of joking around....had me embarrassed to say, laughing out loud. Very well done - by both actors. He seemed to be playing a Joey Bishop lookalike. I remember he had the same look and biting humor. Don't know if he was an ass in real life or not. I think Betsy is trying desperately to believe that Don needs her. Which he does, but not in the way she thinks she wants. **nods** I think they both are trying rather desperately to believe that the other person is exactly what they want. What they really need is to start actually learning about the other person, but I'm not sure if they're able to do that.
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