|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 12, 2008 16:47:04 GMT -5
Previouslies go waaaaay back. Hmm. Teaser Back with Hiro and Ando. The fork in the road. 18 months ago. Which is how far before the show started? I've lost all track of chronology on this show. It is disconcerting seeing the Petrellis act functional and all. Nathan's investigation of Daddy Petrelli. Handcuffs chafe. I foresee a lot of Linderman/Nathan slash in the future, if there's not loads already. Memphis, Tennessee [say hi to Sue! ] 1 year ago. Fire guy. and Fire chick. They're brother and sister? Michael York? Brooklyn, NYC. 1 year ago. Sylar was going to commit suicide? Ah, suicide for killing telekinesis guy. Elle. Just in the knick of time or something. I'm confused. Did it seem like Elle and Sylar knew each other during their last scene. And does this flashback make sense to Sylar's arc?
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 12, 2008 16:53:25 GMT -5
Part I Elle pretends that the rope just broke. So she's up to no good, on behalf of the Paper Company/her dad. So Sylar doesn't know that Elle is a hero. Ah, she's working with Daddy Bennett. "Transfer power from one vessel to another." Pie. Yum! Oh, this is not Michael York, it just looks like him. And also looks really familiar. ETA: Oh, right. It's Eric Roberts, who's been on the show before, which is why he looked familiar. Trying to recruit Meredith to join the Paper Company. Ah, Peter's nurse graduation party. So we're back to 6 months before the show started? Mama and Daddy Petrelli. This is similar to the scene Mama and Daddy Suresh had about Mohinder and his sister. The car accident again. Was it Daddy Petrelli who did it? Are Nathan and Peter going to kiss?
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 12, 2008 17:05:28 GMT -5
Part II
Yeah, Daddy Petrelli was the one in the car.
So Mama Petrelli actually has a conscience, while Daddy Petrelli doesn't.
Austin, Texas. One year ago.
Scofield. Why does that name sound familiar.
Arm of steel. Yeah, that would be real useful in the army.
Queens, NYC. One year ago.
Sylar made a conspiracy wall?
Aaand there's the "pie" punchline.
So Elle is playing the role of whatshername neighbor that Mohinder had.
Random thought: how did the Paper Company figure out who to "bag and tag" and who to recruit?
The real test is loyalty. That's a red flag, right there.
This guy's got hands of steel; how are simple handcuffs going to stop him?
Meredith realizes the Paper Company lied about her brother (except I can't remember what the guy originally said).
Ah, the Paper Company wanted to figure out whether to bag and tag him or to recruit him. So Sylar could have gone either way, and the Paper Company pushed him into becoming a killer (well, more of a killer. Except that Sylar still is ultimately responsible for his actions, right? I still don't find this "hunger" of Sylar's very believable).
Daddy Bennett does some nasty manipulation of Elle. Ugh.
So this is how it happened. Mama Petrelli vs Daddy Petrelli. Battle of the minds.
Nathan is a mama's boy?
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 12, 2008 17:14:04 GMT -5
Part III
Wait, so Hiro has been seeing all the flashbacks? Is this like when Paul-Maud'dib drank the Water of Life and he saw the past, present, and future all at once?
Ooh, cool scene change.
They're tricking you, because you're dumb. Hee!
Riding the rails.
Pushing yet another Hero to become a Villain. Looks like the Paper Company really was long over due for some Karmic payback.
Another great scene change!
Linderman going behind Daddy Petrelli's back?
Meredith finds out that Claire is still alive. And whatshisname lets Meredith go. Interesting. I wonder why, exactly.
So the train fire Meredith started is the one that Claire saved people from?
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 12, 2008 17:19:27 GMT -5
Part IV
Sylar and Elle all domestic.
Enter Goth Boy. OK, this is really slashy, LOL.
Did Mama Petrelli poison Daddy Petrelli.
Enter the Haitian. So here's the answer to what I was wondering. The Haitian does trump Daddy Petrelli.
Elle tries to stop Sylar, but it's too late.
Daddy Bennett as the mad scientist.
Yep, poison. How very Hamlet.
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 12, 2008 17:26:59 GMT -5
Coda.
I still don't understand why the Haitian is so loyal to Mama Petrelli when he could pretty much do anything he wants.
Enter Nathan.
Daddy Bennett's not going to be so cavalier when Sylar goes after Claire.
This scene again with Mohinder in the taxi.
At the hospital. This doctor must be under Mama Petrelli's thumb. Or... he's under Daddy Petrelli's thumb. So Mama Petrelli really thought that Daddy Petrelli was gone for good.
Izzy. Who's izzy? Oh, their pet dog.
Didn't like the dog because it disobeyed them. So, Daddy Petrelli was big on loyalty then.
Good bye, Magical Negro Guy. I'm sorry that the show never saw fit to give you a name on screen.
Holy Crap! They severed his head? Oh, it's Daddy Petrelli. He got there fast. And he's going to take Hiro's power?
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 12, 2008 17:27:32 GMT -5
Do y'all think that if the show continues on, that they'll eventually reveal that Daddy Petrelli isn't pure evil, he's just misunderstood?
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 12, 2008 18:02:19 GMT -5
I wonder how Nathan and Meredith met, since it doesn't seem like they would run in the same social circles.
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 12, 2008 18:06:58 GMT -5
Flashback time. Let's see how close they can come to duplicating Peter's season 1 anime hair...
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 12, 2008 18:21:48 GMT -5
so since papa petrelli and papa parkman have the same ability (or at least awful close), are they siblings too? sigh... Maybe they're all one big warped family. I wouldn't be surprised at this point.
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 12, 2008 18:30:19 GMT -5
And we're back to the frame story I think Meredith is resigning her commission. HAH! "God gave you a big sister instead of a brain"Yeah, Flint ain't that braight. Holy crap, he was actually serious about making that ox an agent? So what is Linderman rabbiting on about? "leaves scars. Soon you will own a small dog named Mr. Muggles and be very spacy all the time" So he fixes her brain. And hah! So Merdith is responsible for the fire Claire decides do dare death with. And Whosiswhasis recognizes Claire and it seems, has a conscience or something twisted akin to it. Claire! Greg has already been alerted to the fact that I intend to use that line at the first opportunity.
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 12, 2008 18:39:10 GMT -5
Has the show addressed why and when the original Company formed, how Mom and Pop Petrelli hooked up with Lindermann and Hiro's dad (who did not appear to have a speshul power) and others, and when powers started manifesting in the general population, as well as why and how the Company folks started experimenting with giving powers to their own kids (Nathan and Peter, Hiro, Elle) as well as apparently other people's kids (Nikki/Jessica/whatsername the new girl)? I might have missed such info amidst all the time-travel and Sylar-retconning.
Doesn't Nathan have a couple of kids? Anyone checked out their DNA recently?
I think the retconning, or character work on Elle, is a lot more believable than what they've done with Sylar. There always was some vulnerability and fragility to her character, not to mention a lot of emotion and danger; whereas Sylar started out as a sociopath, killing people because he could and wanted to...
G.My brother and I were saying the same thing last night about the Sylar retconning. However, then I remembered something—the secret room Mohinder and Eden found in Sylar's apartment back in the first season and what was written on its walls: <snip> So, maybe the retconning isn't as out there as we thought? Interesting. I had totally forgot about that. I'm still having trouble believing Sylar's characterization. Like there's still a piece missing.
|
|
|
Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 12, 2008 19:21:58 GMT -5
I really liked this episode. At least I think I did. The thing is that I can't keep every little bit of information on the top of my head all the time. I have to rewatch everything in order to see if it all makes sense or not.
All in all, I think that this season is turning out to be a lot better than last season. My one problem, which I've had since the end of the first season, is that I still don't have any idea of where the show is going, what Kring is getting at, and whether and how the show all hangs together as a cohesive whole.
|
|
|
Post by Sara on Nov 13, 2008 10:14:06 GMT -5
Didn't Artie get them ensuite with Peter's? Right, that. So, on balance, I'm enjoying this season far more than last season. I'm finding the plotlines easier to follow, and the characterization more satisfying. When I found out Tim Kring had replaced all his writers, it all started to make sense to me. At any rate, I love what they've done with Sylar. He's actually interesting again, rather than just tediously disgusting. And Papa Petrelli...well, he's a REAL villain. Actual scare factor. I'm distressed that Peter's been drained of all powers - I get that maybe it's about him having gotten too powerful for good writing, but now we have TWO villains (Sylar...a semi-villain?) who have nearly unstoppable powers, and frankly I don't see how that lends itself to better plotting. I have an hypothesis, though, that Peter gets re-upped next week during the eclipse. I also find it fascinating that there are at least three ways to transfer powers from one person to another, and that they're expressed differently depending on the personality of the Petrelli involved. Peter - always the empath, he doesn't "take" powers so much as "share" them. Nothing is lost when Peter gains something new. Arthur - has to take it away from you in order to use it himself. He can't share - he has to have the power all to himself. Sylar - has to kill you (assuming you're not invulnerable) to get your power, and feels compelled to do so. No self-control, and he has to eliminate others who are special in order to be special himself. Interestingly, though, it doesn't HAVE to be that way. If you can survive his examination of your brain, then the power is more like Peter's - he gains, but the victim doesn't lose. And whoever's doing the writing now is making more sense in terms of genetics. At least those who are related are starting to shape up to have similar powers. And they've retconned away the differences between Peter and Nathan's abilities. Well, the firing of the writers won't actually have any impact on the show for several episodes yet—they've already filmed at least three-quarters of the season at this point (according to one article I read they're about to film episode 20 of a planned 25, but I can't remember how reliable a source it was), so unless NBC is willing to spring big-time for reshoots the majority of this season will reflect the work of the guys they just let go. I'm with you in enjoying how we're starting to see similar powers among closely related folks, such as the Petrelli guys and Meredith and her brother. I'll be curious to see if Arthur can actually take Hiro's power, or indeed that of anyone whose gift he already has courtesy of Peter, and whether Arthur's theft is really permanent—mostly because I have a hard time believing they'll keep Peter powerless for the remainder of the series. I mean, if abilities are genetic then Arthur would have to rewrite his victims' DNA to truly take it away forever, yes? Oh wait, I forgot—scientific accuracy isn't usually their strong suit.
|
|
|
Post by Rachael on Nov 13, 2008 12:53:18 GMT -5
Right, that. So, on balance, I'm enjoying this season far more than last season. I'm finding the plotlines easier to follow, and the characterization more satisfying. When I found out Tim Kring had replaced all his writers, it all started to make sense to me. At any rate, I love what they've done with Sylar. He's actually interesting again, rather than just tediously disgusting. And Papa Petrelli...well, he's a REAL villain. Actual scare factor. I'm distressed that Peter's been drained of all powers - I get that maybe it's about him having gotten too powerful for good writing, but now we have TWO villains (Sylar...a semi-villain?) who have nearly unstoppable powers, and frankly I don't see how that lends itself to better plotting. I have an hypothesis, though, that Peter gets re-upped next week during the eclipse. I also find it fascinating that there are at least three ways to transfer powers from one person to another, and that they're expressed differently depending on the personality of the Petrelli involved. Peter - always the empath, he doesn't "take" powers so much as "share" them. Nothing is lost when Peter gains something new. Arthur - has to take it away from you in order to use it himself. He can't share - he has to have the power all to himself. Sylar - has to kill you (assuming you're not invulnerable) to get your power, and feels compelled to do so. No self-control, and he has to eliminate others who are special in order to be special himself. Interestingly, though, it doesn't HAVE to be that way. If you can survive his examination of your brain, then the power is more like Peter's - he gains, but the victim doesn't lose. And whoever's doing the writing now is making more sense in terms of genetics. At least those who are related are starting to shape up to have similar powers. And they've retconned away the differences between Peter and Nathan's abilities. Well, the firing of the writers won't actually have any impact on the show for several episodes yet—they've already filmed at least three-quarters of the season at this point (according to one article I read they're about to film episode 20 of a planned 25, but I can't remember how reliable a source it was), so unless NBC is willing to spring big-time for reshoots the majority of this season will reflect the work of the guys they just let go. I'm with you in enjoying how we're starting to see similar powers among closely related folks, such as the Petrelli guys and Meredith and her brother. I'll be curious to see if Arthur can actually take Hiro's power, or indeed that of anyone whose gift he already has courtesy of Peter, and whether Arthur's theft is really permanent—mostly because I have a hard time believing they'll keep Peter powerless for the remainder of the series. I mean, if abilities are genetic then Arthur would have to rewrite his victims' DNA to truly take it away forever, yes? Oh wait, I forgot—scientific accuracy isn't usually their strong suit. And since it seems that Sylar, Arthur, and Peter can already rewrite their own DNA at will, how big a stretch is it to rewrite someone else's? And it seems Mohinder and others can do it with an injection....
|
|