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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 8, 2009 21:37:33 GMT -5
Credits. 39,603. Down from how many? Part I Lee and Kara, still roaming free. Cylons, still locked in the brig. Gaeta and Zarek. What to do about Adama. Tyrol. Also still roaming free. They've captured Mark Shepherd. For his part in representing Baltar in the trial? Adama's charges. Commander Gaeta. Was that his rank before? Oh, they want Mark Shepherd to represent Adama in this trial. Zarek presumes to judge Adama. Now, that's not impartial at all! Zarek meeting with the Quorum. They are not entirely in line with the revolution. Which means they are going to die. Zarek reveals his true colors. It's like, right when the Quorum was obviously not behind Zarek, I thought "he's gonna get them". But I was still surprised that he just, you know, did. Just that simply, that coldly, that quickly. Yeah, I wasn't expecting him to do it just like that either.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 8, 2009 21:38:47 GMT -5
Good episode, but I'm still wanting some indication that Adama and Roslin are aware of the mistakes they made that precipitated this crisis. This situation is still not so black and white. Hopefully there'll be some in the next episode. A lot will depend on how they treat the "average" crew member who got involved with the mutiny. And how they communicate and work with the rest of the fleet. Plus? The biggest issue is that they've got to pull themselves together.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 8, 2009 21:40:59 GMT -5
Rewatching, and that last scene with Baltar and Gaeta really made me cry. Alessandro Juliani did such a fantastic job. And to think how different things would have been if Adama had given Gaeta permission to speak freely and voice all his concerns and seriously considered them. OMG, so good! Makes me want to know even more about what things were like between them on the planet.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 8, 2009 21:43:24 GMT -5
It's really interesting reading different reactions to the revolution plotline. I've read everything from "Adama and Roslin have to PAYYYYY!!!" to "OMG, Gaeta, you are such a filthy bastard." It makes me think of the show as a kind of Rorschach Test, which each of our interpretations colored by our personal values, beliefs, and real world experiences. I love all the different shades of grey we get.
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Post by Rachael on Feb 9, 2009 16:23:28 GMT -5
Good lord! Zarek is a bad, bad, bad, bad man. *angry eyebrows* Um. Yes. He's had the bullet to the brain coming for YEARS now. Gaeta, too, IMO. I've never liked or trusted him.
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Post by Rachael on Feb 9, 2009 16:25:02 GMT -5
I didn't want Gaeta to die. They let Baltar live after being instrumental in the deaths of billions and the debacle on New Caprica, why not Gaeta? I know, I know. Mutiny. Example. Punishable by death, blah blah blah. Baltar must know just how lucky he is at this point...I mean, he was in cahoots, at various points, with both those men who were just shot and blown out an airlock.
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Post by Rachael on Feb 9, 2009 16:29:33 GMT -5
Credits. 39,603. Down from how many? Part I Lee and Kara, still roaming free. Cylons, still locked in the brig. Gaeta and Zarek. What to do about Adama. Tyrol. Also still roaming free. They've captured Mark Shepherd. For his part in representing Baltar in the trial? Adama's charges. Commander Gaeta. Was that his rank before? Oh, they want Mark Shepherd to represent Adama in this trial. Zarek presumes to judge Adama. Now, that's not impartial at all! Zarek meeting with the Quorum. They are not entirely in line with the revolution. Which means they are going to die. Zarek reveals his true colors. It's like, right when the Quorum was obviously not behind Zarek, I thought "he's gonna get them". But I was still surprised that he just, you know, did. Just that simply, that coldly, that quickly. Huh. I must have too ruthless a mind...'cause what I said to Dave was, "Ah. Well, now he has to shoot the entire government."
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Post by artemis on Feb 9, 2009 17:22:08 GMT -5
Back with Tyrol. Are those fractures in the hull? oh yeah, i meant to ask about that! what were those things that tyrol saw on(?) the wall?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 9, 2009 21:50:33 GMT -5
Several people on my flist have pointed out that with killing the Quorum, Zarek eliminated one of the few checks that was preventing Roslin from truly being a dictator. (Not that the Quorum had a lot of power, but they were known to kick up a fuss when they thought she was out of line) In effect, he's ended up creating what he was trying to prevent. About executing Gaeta, I'm thinking that maybe it goes back to what Zarek said about truth being told by the winner. There were parallels between Gaeta taking the CIC, then Adama retaking the CIC and Adama about to be executed and then Zarek and Gaeta being executed. [ETA: I also noticed how both sides here used death by firing squad as the method of execution, as opposed to the heretofore preferred method of death by airlock.] With Adama and Roslin back in charge, they frame themselves as the wronged party, diminishing their transgressions and enhancing the transgressions of their opponent. I wonder if that realization was what Zarek and Gaeta were smiling about in the end. Of course, from audience's perspective, there's a tendency to identify and support Adama and Roslin's version of events, because 1) they are more central characters, 2) they were in charge first, and 3) Zarek knee jerk reaction was to off the Quorum, something neither Adama or Roslin would have done quite so quickly. But even then, in the end, do y'all think that Gaeta was dismayed to realize the "error of his ways" or dismayed because he failed? I thought for the longest time that there would be a tiniest bit of hope at the end of this show. But now I'm not so sure.
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Post by Onjel on Feb 11, 2009 7:01:09 GMT -5
Back with Tyrol. Are those fractures in the hull? oh yeah, i meant to ask about that! what were those things that tyrol saw on(?) the wall? Hull fractures, I believe. Like the community of survivors, the ship is cracking under the strain. I don't think the survivors will recover from the massacre ordered by Zarek and I have a feeling they will all end up in the Basestar where the presence of Centurions can only be salt in the wound.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 11, 2009 9:28:16 GMT -5
oh yeah, i meant to ask about that! what were those things that tyrol saw on(?) the wall? Hull fractures, I believe. Like the community of survivors, the ship is cracking under the strain. I don't think the survivors will recover from the massacre ordered by Zarek and I have a feeling they will all end up in the Basestar where the presence of Centurions can only be salt in the wound. Oh, I hadn't even considered that. But it totally makes sense.
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Post by Onjel on Feb 11, 2009 11:24:16 GMT -5
Several people on my flist have pointed out that with killing the Quorum, Zarek eliminated one of the few checks that was preventing Roslin from truly being a dictator. (Not that the Quorum had a lot of power, but they were known to kick up a fuss when they thought she was out of line) In effect, he's ended up creating what he was trying to prevent.About executing Gaeta, I'm thinking that maybe it goes back to what Zarek said about truth being told by the winner. There were parallels between Gaeta taking the CIC, then Adama retaking the CIC and Adama about to be executed and then Zarek and Gaeta being executed. [ETA: I also noticed how both sides here used death by firing squad as the method of execution, as opposed to the heretofore preferred method of death by airlock.] With Adama and Roslin back in charge, they frame themselves as the wronged party, diminishing their transgressions and enhancing the transgressions of their opponent. I wonder if that realization was what Zarek and Gaeta were smiling about in the end.Of course, from audience's perspective, there's a tendency to identify and support Adama and Roslin's version of events, because 1) they are more central characters, 2) they were in charge first, and 3) Zarek knee jerk reaction was to off the Quorum, something neither Adama or Roslin would have done quite so quickly. But even then, in the end, do y'all think that Gaeta was dismayed to realize the error of his ways or dismayed because he failed? I thought for the longest time that there would be a tiniest bit of hope at the end of this show. But now I'm not so sure. Oooh! These ideas definitely plausible and I can see where these realizations could give Zarek reason to smile at the end. Without another quorum dictatorship by someone becomes more likely. Combine that with the possibility that they all end up on the Basestar and the situation could get quite ugly.
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Post by Squeemonster on Feb 11, 2009 12:20:44 GMT -5
Several people on my flist have pointed out that with killing the Quorum, Zarek eliminated one of the few checks that was preventing Roslin from truly being a dictator. (Not that the Quorum had a lot of power, but they were known to kick up a fuss when they thought she was out of line) In effect, he's ended up creating what he was trying to prevent.About executing Gaeta, I'm thinking that maybe it goes back to what Zarek said about truth being told by the winner. There were parallels between Gaeta taking the CIC, then Adama retaking the CIC and Adama about to be executed and then Zarek and Gaeta being executed. [ETA: I also noticed how both sides here used death by firing squad as the method of execution, as opposed to the heretofore preferred method of death by airlock.] With Adama and Roslin back in charge, they frame themselves as the wronged party, diminishing their transgressions and enhancing the transgressions of their opponent. I wonder if that realization was what Zarek and Gaeta were smiling about in the end.Of course, from audience's perspective, there's a tendency to identify and support Adama and Roslin's version of events, because 1) they are more central characters, 2) they were in charge first, and 3) Zarek knee jerk reaction was to off the Quorum, something neither Adama or Roslin would have done quite so quickly. But even then, in the end, do y'all think that Gaeta was dismayed to realize the error of his ways or dismayed because he failed? I thought for the longest time that there would be a tiniest bit of hope at the end of this show. But now I'm not so sure. Oooh! These ideas definitely plausible and I can see where these realizations could give Zarek reason to smile at the end. Without another quorum dictatorship by someone becomes more likely. Combine that with the possibility that they all end up on the Basestar and the situation could get quite ugly. Ya'll are making it more and more difficult for me to continue my fantasy that they will find another Earthlike planet that has many fluffy puppies and kittens and where they decide to run a unicorn ranch and grow lollipop trees and raise chocolate bunnies.
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Post by Onjel on Feb 11, 2009 12:30:57 GMT -5
Oooh! These ideas definitely plausible and I can see where these realizations could give Zarek reason to smile at the end. Without another quorum dictatorship by someone becomes more likely. Combine that with the possibility that they all end up on the Basestar and the situation could get quite ugly. Ya'll are making it more and more difficult for me to continue my fantasy that they will find another Earthlike planet that has many fluffy puppies and kittens and where they decide to run a unicorn ranch and grow lollipop trees and raise chocolate bunnies. That get their heads bitten off at the earliest opportunity by the chocoholic humans. . .. Seriously, sorry. I'll try to be more optimistic in future.
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Post by Squeemonster on Feb 11, 2009 12:36:48 GMT -5
Ya'll are making it more and more difficult for me to continue my fantasy that they will find another Earthlike planet that has many fluffy puppies and kittens and where they decide to run a unicorn ranch and grow lollipop trees and raise chocolate bunnies. That get their heads bitten off at the earliest opportunity by the chocoholic humans. . .. Seriously, sorry. I'll try to be more optimistic in future. LOL!! No, no, no!! I was just teasing. I love hearing what ya'll think will happen. ;D I just meant my brain is in denial that the ending may very well be very depressing and not satisfy my unrealistic yet desperate need for everyone to live happily ever after. ;D
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