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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 12, 2009 10:14:42 GMT -5
Swiped from Metafilter, a perfectly wonderful description: You know, I was thinking about it the other night and came to an important realization : Colonel Tigh? Worst. Robot. Evar.
Seriously, who the hell would buy a robot like that? Doesn't cook. Won't clean up your room. Meaner than all hell. Drinks all your booze.
I'd take a roomba over Tigh any day of the week. posted by Afroblanco at 8:09 PM on February 11Ha!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 12, 2009 10:53:35 GMT -5
Rewatching, and that last scene with Baltar and Gaeta really made me cry. Alessandro Juliani did such a fantastic job. And to think how different things would have been if Adama had given Gaeta permission to speak freely and voice all his concerns and seriously considered them. And I love the little smile Zarek and Gaeta give to each other right before they are executed. I am strangely not that bothered that Adama didn't listen to each and every one of Gaeta's concerns. Normally, I am always one to speak up at work and expect my opinion to be (at least) heard by my superiors. But the situation they were in did not really give Adama the opportunity to plan by committee. He had to make the best decision he could in the time allotted to him. He had to follow his heart, his guts, his instincts, what have you, and be willing to follow through with what he thought was right. Ultimately, whatever happens is on his shoulders, so in those kind of circumstances, he couldn't afford to waver, or even entertain other paths. I'm not saying he should be planning by committee. But a good leader listens to what his constituents have to say in order to let them know that he cares about them (why else would some one obey some one else's orders without question if not because he knows his leader has his best interests at heart?) and also to confirm that his message is being received as intended. Adama was doing neither; so it was very easy for Gaeta and others to start believing that Adama no longer cared about them and all the while, from their perspective, his orders and actions seemed increasingly troublesome, if not irrational and dangerous. And Adama had plenty of opportunities to listen; between the fleet captains objections, the Quorum's rumblings, Zarek's needlings, and the general sense of malaise among the crew he passed in the hallways. Instead, Adama completely withdrew to his inner sanctum and was completely oblivious to the fact that a lot of people were upset enough to do violence against him. And he almost died because of it. And he had the time; this had been building for a while and at the time of the mutiny, he wasn't doing anything other than trying to get the fleet to accept the Cylon upgrades. He had time to have a leisurely breakfast with Roslin for chrissakes.
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Post by Rachael on Feb 12, 2009 11:09:33 GMT -5
So, More Tyrol. Shit, he's in the engine room? HE's IN THE JUMP DRIVE! SO THAT"s what it looks like! So those soldiers are back under legitimate authority, now? So THAT'S the payoff for all that running Tyrol's been doing.tension, tension, tension, annnnnnnnd, Gaeta finally wakes up. And surrenders. Galen did what with that FTL drive component? And welcome back, Mom! Baltar back on the ship, taking his mininstry seriously, ministering to a prisonor. Huh. Adama is treating with a degree of respect because he surrendered before he was forced to. Heh. "And please, no religion" Oh. That was his execution meal. And it stopped hurting itching But how did Tyrol know that he needed to shut down the drive??? I am confuzzled. He kept the ship from jumping, but who told him that Gaeta intended to do that? Standard mutiny (counter-mutiny?) procedure, sabotage. You don't want to take the chance of the ship going anywhere just yet.
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Post by Rachael on Feb 12, 2009 11:10:28 GMT -5
I am still convinced that there was something done to Baltar or put in Baltar that caused him to see Six way back in the day. You don't think he's just an extra-nutty nut job packed with extra nuttiness? Not remotely. He had another prophetic dream in this episode. Something's up with Baltar's brain, and it's beyond the usual nutjobness of him.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 12, 2009 11:29:27 GMT -5
You don't think he's just an extra-nutty nut job packed with extra nuttiness? Not remotely. He had another prophetic dream in this episode. Something's up with Baltar's brain, and it's beyond the usual nutjobness of him. Wait, what was his prophetic dream in this episode?
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Post by Squeemonster on Feb 12, 2009 11:45:26 GMT -5
Here's more on Richard Hatch's perspective via Mo Ryan. Interesting comments.
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Feb 12, 2009 12:40:50 GMT -5
Swiped from Metafilter, a perfectly wonderful description: You know, I was thinking about it the other night and came to an important realization : Colonel Tigh? Worst. Robot. Evar.
Seriously, who the hell would buy a robot like that? Doesn't cook. Won't clean up your room. Meaner than all hell. Drinks all your booze.
I'd take a roomba over Tigh any day of the week. posted by Afroblanco at 8:09 PM on February 11Ha! It brightened the heck out of my night. Julia, which needed it, as I was having post socialization insanity
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Post by Rachael on Feb 12, 2009 13:49:51 GMT -5
Not remotely. He had another prophetic dream in this episode. Something's up with Baltar's brain, and it's beyond the usual nutjobness of him. Wait, what was his prophetic dream in this episode? The dream about Adama's death by firing squad. It's interpretable as just the logical outcome of the mutiny, but I thought the details of the setting were far too specific and accurate to be meant to be just a dream.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 12, 2009 14:27:08 GMT -5
Wait, what was his prophetic dream in this episode? The dream about Adama's death by firing squad. It's interpretable as just the logical outcome of the mutiny, but I thought the details of the setting were far too specific and accurate to be meant to be just a dream. Oh, yeah. That's right.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 12, 2009 14:45:58 GMT -5
Here's more on Richard Hatch's perspective via Mo Ryan. Interesting comments. Fascinating. I'm with Mo Ryan though; while I mostly agree with Hatch's interpretation of the character, I'm having a hard time reconciling Zarek's split second decision to kill off the Quorum with the rest of his good intentions.
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Post by artemis on Feb 14, 2009 17:46:05 GMT -5
I'm not saying he should be planning by committee. But a good leader listens to what his constituents have to say in order to let them know that he cares about them (why else would some one obey some one else's orders without question if not because he knows his leader has his best interests at heart?) and also to confirm that his message is being received as intended. Adama was doing neither; so it was very easy for Gaeta and others to start believing that Adama no longer cared about them and all the while, from their perspective, his orders and actions seemed increasingly troublesome, if not irrational and dangerous. And Adama had plenty of opportunities to listen; between the fleet captains objections, the Quorum's rumblings, Zarek's needlings, and the general sense of malaise among the crew he passed in the hallways. Instead, Adama completely withdrew to his inner sanctum and was completely oblivious to the fact that a lot of people were upset enough to do violence against him. And he almost died because of it. And he had the time; this had been building for a while and at the time of the mutiny, he wasn't doing anything other than trying to get the fleet to accept the Cylon upgrades. He had time to have a leisurely breakfast with Roslin for chrissakes. to me, the problem is the usual problem with a society that's trying to have it both ways - the military is so, so vital to their society, and yet they also have a somewhat participatory democracy. i imagine adama, being a military man, would be used to people following his orders even if they didn't agree with them. it seems to me like this kind of approach is part of why the mutiny caught adama completely by surprise. IMHO, it's less understandable/excusable/however you want to phrase it with roslin because she's supposed to be a democratic leader, and should be listening to her constituency, responding to them, and considering their opinions/ideas, because, well, that's what leaders in democracies generally do. to me, the fact that roslin completely collapsed and left it all to adama and lee helped feed the mutiny; adama's being in charge stoked fears of the military taking over or reigning supreme, and of lee being nothing more than his father's spokesperson/representative/whatever (no matter how unfair we as viewers may think that judgment of lee is).
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Post by artemis on Feb 14, 2009 17:47:25 GMT -5
The dream about Adama's death by firing squad. It's interpretable as just the logical outcome of the mutiny, but I thought the details of the setting were far too specific and accurate to be meant to be just a dream. i agree. it seemed like the dream was quite literally what would have happened if they hadn't saved adama.
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