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Post by Lola m on Feb 22, 2009 21:32:04 GMT -5
So, is it Doc Cottle to the rescue? Yeah, now she admits that she does really think that humans and cylons need to work it out together. (Which, duh! I mean, why else did they travel slowly thru space all those thousands of years for anyway?) Heeeee! Love CapricaSix coming out from the oxygen all pissed off at them bickering over her. ;D Shouldn't need to spout the words. He feels love for Caprica, for Ellen, for the baby. Awwwww. Only Tigh could be all gruff and him and still so mushy. Oh, damn. Baby died? You know things are bad when it takes Gaius to tell you the truth about the humans, starving and lost. And that's his solution? OMG, that's how he gets his guns!!!! Oh my, that is just . . . well, that's just hysterical!! Chief visiting Boomer and Anders still all comatose and Tigh goes to cry on Bill's shoulder. Damn! Those guys just kill me!! Oh, the cylons are putting up their pictures on the rememberance wall too. Yep. The mixing of them has already happened, guys. Now you just have to figure out how to get it to work without going horribly horribly wrong again.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 22, 2009 21:33:17 GMT -5
Ellen really really is one hell of an amazing high-riding bitch when she feels she needs to be, isn't she? Damn. That she is. That she is, indeed.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 22, 2009 21:34:58 GMT -5
I don't really care for Ellen, and I find my mind wandering when she's on the screen. I didn't enjoy the last episode, and I didn't enjoy this one. And now we have, what, four more episodes to go? I can't blame my dissatisfaction solely on the character of Ellen, but I do feel she plays a big part of it. Maybe if I had watched the episodes from the past seasons that she was in, I would feel differently. This episode didn't feel very cohesive, and that surprises me, given that it was written by Jane Espenson. It was about some of the Final 5 wanting to depart for the base ship. It was about Ellen's return to Saul, and her issues with his relationship with Caprica and her pregnancy. And it was about Gaius trying to regain his leadership role and helping the humans who are starving. The big news is that Caprica lost the baby, Liam, named for Bill Adama and Anders may be coming out of his vegetative state. To me, the whole ep was really about that line of Tigh's. "Pure human won't work, pure cylon won't work." But can they get the mixture to work?
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Post by Lola m on Feb 22, 2009 21:37:50 GMT -5
act 3 so many references to alcohol in this episode! i understand adama's point about galactica, but i see it as analogous to societies: both ships and societies have to change to survive. that doesn't mean it's automatically unrecognizable or confusing, just that it's not what it was before. interesting about him saying he knows they need the cylons to survive. i wonder what the other five would say if they knew. i love six/baltar's speech: "all we need is strength. and strength comes from within ... [pause to listen to six] and guns! more guns, bigger guns, better guns! and when we have those, we will WIN!" too funny! and so often what people really think. ;D OMG, I loved that scene!! I'd forgotten just how widly I could swing from loving her to hating her and back and forth. Just like Tigh, I would imagine. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Feb 22, 2009 21:41:55 GMT -5
so you think the Final Five were modelled on humans and then created the new human-trait cylons? [jazzhanded confused fanwanking] No, I think the Final Five were the biologically reproduced descendants of the skinjobs that were created on Kobol and who dispersed as the 13th colony to Earth (or "Earth" if you live in my brain). On "Earth", the Final Five, either in tandem with or because of the realization that the creation (or re-creation) of the subservient Centurion class of Cylons would eventually result in a (or another) war, re-invented resurrection technology and uploaded their consciousnesses to a ship orbiting "Earth" just in time to preserve themselves before they were destroyed by the "Earth"-created Centurions of the 13th tribe. They intended to travel to the other 12 colonies to warn the other tribes (humans or biologically-reproducing Cylon skinjobs, you decide) about the evolution of sentience in the Centurions, but because they were traveling at sub-light speed, it took them a couple of thousand years to get there and they arrived too late, after the first Cylon war had already started. In order to get the Centurions to stop making war on the humans (if that's what they were/are), they gave the Centurions the technology to build their own skinjobs, along with (as I understand it) monotheism, courtesy of Ellen who thought it would make the Centurions nicer or something. I'm not sure who of the Final Five or the Centurions created the Other Eight (heh) except that Ellen created at least John (#1, the Cavills) who, being a nasty piece of vindictive, jealous, psychotic and perpetually OWED piece of work, boxed up the Final Five and sent them, sans their memories, to live amongst the humans after the first Cylon war, which is where Ellen obtained (and retained) some of the human traits I mentioned earlier. However, she might have been like that already, who knows. Chicken, egg, etc... <edit> When Ellen is talking to Saul and refers to the Other Eight, she calls them their children, but whether that's because the Final Five created all of them or whether it's because the Final Five helped the Centurions create them and she still considers them to be the children of the Final Five, I don't know. Whew! I think I just talked myself out of my own argument, wow! [/jazzhanded confused fanwanking] Heeee! I like your fanwanking. And the jazzhands. And I think you're probably pretty right (including your suspicions of just how human the humans are). But yes, I think the final 5 either made the new skinjobs and/or helped the Centurions (or even the first skinjobs) make them.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 28, 2009 13:04:19 GMT -5
Teaser
Repairing the ship.
It's what the basestar is made of. So Galactica is turning into a basestar.
"Is this alive?" Paralleling what Six said at the beginning of the mini-series.
Down in Dogtown. Is Caprica going to find the Oracle Lady?
Ellen and Boomer arrive. This should be fun.
How many dead chicks are out there? Hee!
Tyrol and Boomer.
Tigh and Ellen reunited at last. Also, AWKWARD*INFINITY.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 28, 2009 13:15:00 GMT -5
39,556 survivors. Part I Debriefing Ellen. Cavill is completely unbalanced. Ya think?! Love Roslin's little, "Hmm," there. Hee! Imagine instead of 50K survivors, there were only 5. I can see the wheels spinning Roslin and Adama's heads as they try to process all this information. Tigh and Ellen. Nice touch with the camera spinning around. Now this is the Ellen we know. And now Ellen is turning into Caprica. Back to Caprica, all alone. Is she miscarrying? Baltar returns to his harem. Hmm. Disillusioned believer. They're taking care of themselves now. Now they no longer need him. Baltar HeadSix is back. Ellen and Tigh, post coitus. Ellen finds out about Caprica. Tigh trots out the old "I was thinking of you the whole time" bit. And Ellen shoots him down. Hee! Back to ship repairs. Cylon powwow around Anders bed. Don't unplug anything. Heh. Ellen joins the crowd. Caprica proposes leaving the Colonials. Oh, the Six that was assaulted wasn't Caprica. That was just random. Oh, and that's not Caprica, that's another Six. And the other shoe drops. Double hee!
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Post by artemis on Feb 28, 2009 13:17:45 GMT -5
so you think the Final Five were modelled on humans and then created the new human-trait cylons? [jazzhanded confused fanwanking] No, I think the Final Five were the biologically reproduced descendants of the skinjobs that were created on Kobol and who dispersed as the 13th colony to Earth (or "Earth" if you live in my brain). On "Earth", the Final Five, either in tandem with or because of the realization that the creation (or re-creation) of the subservient Centurion class of Cylons would eventually result in a (or another) war, re-invented resurrection technology and uploaded their consciousnesses to a ship orbiting "Earth" just in time to preserve themselves before they were destroyed by the "Earth"-created Centurions of the 13th tribe. They intended to travel to the other 12 colonies to warn the other tribes (humans or biologically-reproducing Cylon skinjobs, you decide) about the evolution of sentience in the Centurions, but because they were traveling at sub-light speed, it took them a couple of thousand years to get there and they arrived too late, after the first Cylon war had already started. In order to get the Centurions to stop making war on the humans (if that's what they were/are), they gave the Centurions the technology to build their own skinjobs, along with (as I understand it) monotheism, courtesy of Ellen who thought it would make the Centurions nicer or something. I'm not sure who of the Final Five or the Centurions created the Other Eight (heh) except that Ellen created at least John (#1, the Cavills) who, being a nasty piece of vindictive, jealous, psychotic and perpetually OWED piece of work, boxed up the Final Five and sent them, sans their memories, to live amongst the humans after the first Cylon war, which is where Ellen obtained (and retained) some of the human traits I mentioned earlier. However, she might have been like that already, who knows. Chicken, egg, etc... <edit> When Ellen is talking to Saul and refers to the Other Eight, she calls them their children, but whether that's because the Final Five created all of them or whether it's because the Final Five helped the Centurions create them and she still considers them to be the children of the Final Five, I don't know. Whew! I think I just talked myself out of my own argument, wow! [/jazzhanded confused fanwanking] yeah, this is actually pretty much how i feel/what i think! i too am suspicious that the people who are so convinced they're human, well, aren't. i mean, just the fact that the Final Five mistakenly believed they were (as did everyone around them) shows how easy it is to mistakenly think you're something/one you're not. i also find it interesting that when someone (tigh?) said that they had gotten the centurions to believe falsely in monotheism, ellen irritably responded that it wasn't a false belief. it made me wonder if perhaps the residents of "earth" (or perhaps just ellen and maybe some of the other Five) held the same belief and they passed it on to the centurions. if it was the residents of "earth" and/or the Five, then that could explain why the other Tribes had a different belief system - their religions could have diverged after they split off from each other.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 28, 2009 13:28:31 GMT -5
Part II
Now this scene turns into screw ball comedy. #rofl1#
This six is entirely unaware of why Ellen is upset.
Majority rule is a Cylon legacy.
Back with Baltar's harem. This is looking more and more like Grey Sector on Babylon 5.
Did Baltar get this woman pregnant. Oh, guess he did a while ago, heh.
Baltar tries his hand at philanthropy.
Are we counting all these new births in with the survivor count? I guess there were more deaths than we thought.
Roslin and Caprica. Oh, that was Caprica who was assaulted.
Bringing up the Opera House visions again.
No visions since Caprica was pregnant. Interesting.
Kara in the bar. Tyrol joins her.
Watching Ellen and Tigh is like watching her parents make out. Heh.
Back with the ship repairs.
Ellen and Caprica. Let the cat fights begin!
Ellen and Tigh tried having children and couldn't. Hmm.
What no catfight? How anti climactic.
Baltar distributes loaves and fishes rations.
Thugs show up. And there goes the food. This does not bode well for Baltar.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 28, 2009 13:38:55 GMT -5
Part III
Adama and Tigh. And Adama appears to be drinking more than Tigh.
If the repairs work, Galactica will be the same on the outside, but she won't know what she is anymore.
Sons of Ares.
Baltar consults his conscience.
Man, I missed loopy Baltar trying to talk to HeadSix and other people at the same time.
Ellen and Tigh again.
The majority rule is in: the Cylons decide to leave. Except Tigh is adamantly against that.
I'm thinking that if they all have leave together or stay together, then they actually need a unanimous vote, not a majority one.
And where is Athena in all this?
Pure human doesn't work; pure cylon doesn't work, it's too weak.
There is something Tigh loves more than you, it's Bill Adama, and the ship, and the uniform.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 28, 2009 13:50:01 GMT -5
Part IV
In sickbay.
Ellen apologizes.
More baseship repairs.
Back with Tigh and Ellen and Caprica.
They lost the baby. Wow.
Baltar got called into the principal's office.
So the revolution hasn't died away entirely. Never expected Baltar to be the one to call attention to this fact.
Oh, right. He wanted to get the guns.
Baltar has no idea how to work a gun. But apparently Paula does.
Boomer. Or Athena?
Right, Boomer. And Tyrol watches her sleep.
Anders is waking up?
Adama comforts Adama. Awww....
I wonder if Tigh loved the idea of having a child more than Caprica.
Six looking a the wall. I wonder if the Cylons will start to clue into why the humans are so upset.
Oh, she put the Cylon pictures on the wall.
It's already happened, hasn't it?
Wait, that's it? OK then.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 28, 2009 14:00:05 GMT -5
so you think the Final Five were modelled on humans and then created the new human-trait cylons? [jazzhanded confused fanwanking] No, I think the Final Five were the biologically reproduced descendants of the skinjobs that were created on Kobol and who dispersed as the 13th colony to Earth (or "Earth" if you live in my brain). On "Earth", the Final Five, either in tandem with or because of the realization that the creation (or re-creation) of the subservient Centurion class of Cylons would eventually result in a (or another) war, re-invented resurrection technology and uploaded their consciousnesses to a ship orbiting "Earth" just in time to preserve themselves before they were destroyed by the "Earth"-created Centurions of the 13th tribe. They intended to travel to the other 12 colonies to warn the other tribes (humans or biologically-reproducing Cylon skinjobs, you decide) about the evolution of sentience in the Centurions, but because they were traveling at sub-light speed, it took them a couple of thousand years to get there and they arrived too late, after the first Cylon war had already started. In order to get the Centurions to stop making war on the humans (if that's what they were/are), they gave the Centurions the technology to build their own skinjobs, along with (as I understand it) monotheism, courtesy of Ellen who thought it would make the Centurions nicer or something. I'm not sure who of the Final Five or the Centurions created the Other Eight (heh) except that Ellen created at least John (#1, the Cavills) who, being a nasty piece of vindictive, jealous, psychotic and perpetually OWED piece of work, boxed up the Final Five and sent them, sans their memories, to live amongst the humans after the first Cylon war, which is where Ellen obtained (and retained) some of the human traits I mentioned earlier. However, she might have been like that already, who knows. Chicken, egg, etc... <edit> When Ellen is talking to Saul and refers to the Other Eight, she calls them their children, but whether that's because the Final Five created all of them or whether it's because the Final Five helped the Centurions create them and she still considers them to be the children of the Final Five, I don't know. Whew! I think I just talked myself out of my own argument, wow! [/jazzhanded confused fanwanking] Yeah, that's what I got out of it too. I don't even think that's fanwanking.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 28, 2009 14:10:20 GMT -5
I don't really care for Ellen, and I find my mind wandering when she's on the screen. I didn't enjoy the last episode, and I didn't enjoy this one. And now we have, what, four more episodes to go? I can't blame my dissatisfaction solely on the character of Ellen, but I do feel she plays a big part of it. Maybe if I had watched the episodes from the past seasons that she was in, I would feel differently. This episode didn't feel very cohesive, and that surprises me, given that it was written by Jane Espenson. It was about some of the Final 5 wanting to depart for the base ship. It was about Ellen's return to Saul, and her issues with his relationship with Caprica and her pregnancy. And it was about Gaius trying to regain his leadership role and helping the humans who are starving. The big news is that Caprica lost the baby, Liam, named for Bill Adama and Anders may be coming out of his vegetative state. I didn't like her at first, but she really developed a lot of depth over time. I really enjoyed the levity in this episode, since it's been a while since we had that. I wonder if they were trying to do an echo of Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down. It didn't really feel like it lacked cohesion to me, although I felt that the ending was really abrupt. It seemed more like one of those moving the puzzle pieces around in order to set things up for something else episodes
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 28, 2009 14:11:17 GMT -5
Ellen really really is one hell of an amazing high-riding bitch when she feels she needs to be, isn't she? Damn. She really is. Interesting that she make 'John' to look like her 'father'. And even more interesting is the way she keeps expecting him to do the right thing. I didn't see Tigh's baby's death coming. Thought the Cylon's grieving their losses in the human's memorial room was a nice touch. The fact that they might reengineer the ressurection machine was also a surprise. Love Boomer and the Chief together. Had to laugh at the Chief's reaction to being told by Sam that he and what's her name were once 'madly in love'. (Wonder why Tyrol doesn't remember that - he seems to remember some of his past life.) Sam's brain damage paralleling talk of splitting open Ellen's brain to get the knowledge out was interesting. Boomer's reason for rescuing Ellen - she forgives her - awesome. I love Boomer. She keeps being used, but always seems to fight back to getting her 'self back. So..8's were subservient. 7's were artists. And not tolerated at all, it seems - probably because they were too original thinking. Loved the ep. Baltar still a slimy horndog. He amuses. Er, I think you are referring to the previous episode.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 3, 2009 7:34:54 GMT -5
I totally didn't notice this at the time, but you can see Bear McCreary in the background when Kara's in the bar. Neat.
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