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Post by Lola m on Mar 12, 2009 12:09:59 GMT -5
Finally caught up. A few thoughts (please forgive the incoherence, it's way too early in the morning): Thing 1: Somebody comes to me, says "I want the world's best midwife so I can give birth in a mountain chalet in the middle of nowhere in the middle of a snowstorm"? I'm going to tell them they're out of their freakin' minds. What if something went wrong? Makes it interesting to wonder why anyone'd want to keep a baby's birth that secret. But if he wants it to keep airing on Fox, he has to make it "accessible to new viewers" every week for at least half a season. Huh. I don't have that problem...the commercials and the show don't exist in the same mind-space, for me. I do wonder why Alpha is what he is...and why they couldn't wipe him and start again. Maybe the technology has been improved, but Alpha going un-rewritable on them might explain the extreme phobia about even the appearance of memories that carry over from one day to the next. I'm wondering if Alpha has/had a stronger case of the partial memory issues that we're seeing with Echo. Also, if he escaped (killing as he went) to avoid a more . . . thorough wiping.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 12, 2009 12:17:45 GMT -5
Herd instinct. Huh. 'Manfriend'..hehe 'Blue skies.' Oh, a sting. Very nice. 'Taffy standard time.' Oops. Reboot. Anybody else think of "5 by 5" when Taffy said "Blue skies"? Heh! Yeah, I had a momentary vibe of that. Plus, the cool/creepy thing with Sierra not only saying the same tag line, but really sort of copying the same conversation we'd heard earlier. Are the personalities they've taped sort of "fixed" in time, so they would react fairly similarly no matter who they are loaded into? Do they start to diverge and grow the longer they are in someone? If, for example, you loaded the Taffy personality into both Echo and Sierra at the same time and put them in separate but identical situations, would you get exactly the same result? And if you did get separate end results, is that because of the person you loaded them into or just because people might not always do exactly the same thing each time - in other words, would it be due to the Taffy personality having more flexibility or due to interaction with some portion of Echo and Sierra still inside them? Hmmmm. I realize I'm perilously close to Riley-esque "doesn't it make everyone wanna lock them in separate rooms and do experiments on them?" territory here. But, I mean, that's part of what Joss is playing with in this show, yes? How much of a person is in them no matter what - how much can be take away or added to, etc. etc. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Mar 12, 2009 12:18:49 GMT -5
Part I Bonnie and Clyde didn't want to be the best, they wanted to be famous. Back with Ballard. Victor again. Russia-Georgia, not Sweet Home Georgia. Heh. Heist goes bust. Not surprising. Interference of some sort. Which seemed to mess up the imprint. Courtesy of Alpha? Clever you to immediately wonder if Alpha was involved!
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Post by Lola m on Mar 12, 2009 12:19:45 GMT -5
Okay, the woman who takes the assignments for the actives really needs to vet the clients better. I mean, seriously. Straight up tells the guy that they won't know what the assignment is, but the "computers" have flagged it as a heightened risk for the active and all she does is ask for more money? Does anybody care to join me in a resounding "duh" here? Especially after they suspect Alpha set up "Target"? They allow Alpha to breach them yet again and go after Echo? Which, BTW, I think he's doing in order to break her back to some version of reality. I don't necessarily agree with his objective, but the methods are sucking rather badly. Of course, that's understandable if he is, in fact, psychotic. Oh, and won't it just be very Jossian if the murdering psychopath turns into a good guy? At this point, I'm wanting the Dollhouse to get caught more for being incompetent than I am wanting them to get caught for doing sick things to other people. I'm having a hard time believing this organization could have lasted for 3 months, much less 14+ months. In the bigger picture, I wouldn't assume anything about who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. We don't have nearly enough information, and the information we do have is probably skewed in some way. **nods**
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Post by Lola m on Mar 12, 2009 12:20:11 GMT -5
Oh, yeah. We all know how Joss likes to skew with us! *snort* Vlad, is that you? to both of you! ;D
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Post by Lola m on Mar 12, 2009 12:21:46 GMT -5
Oh, Goddess, you're right. I saw that story and didn't even make the connection. That's Joss, ahead of the curve as usual. Eep! And yes!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 12, 2009 18:38:20 GMT -5
Anybody else think of "5 by 5" when Taffy said "Blue skies"? Heh! Yeah, I had a momentary vibe of that. Plus, the cool/creepy thing with Sierra not only saying the same tag line, but really sort of copying the same conversation we'd heard earlier. Are the personalities they've taped sort of "fixed" in time, so they would react fairly similarly no matter who they are loaded into? Do they start to diverge and grow the longer they are in someone? If, for example, you loaded the Taffy personality into both Echo and Sierra at the same time and put them in separate but identical situations, would you get exactly the same result? And if you did get separate end results, is that because of the person you loaded them into or just because people might not always do exactly the same thing each time - in other words, would it be due to the Taffy personality having more flexibility or due to interaction with some portion of Echo and Sierra still inside them? Hmmmm. I realize I'm perilously close to Riley-esque "doesn't it make everyone wanna lock them in separate rooms and do experiments on them?" territory here. But, I mean, that's part of what Joss is playing with in this show, yes? How much of a person is in them no matter what - how much can be take away or added to, etc. etc. ;D *nods*
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 12, 2009 19:47:37 GMT -5
This is a great parallel, Erin. I think I had completely glossed over what they were stealing when I watched the episode.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 12, 2009 21:33:55 GMT -5
Erin! Good to read your thoughts as the eps get a bit more meat to them. It gave you a bit more room for wit ("from my limited knowledge of bison, I’ve not noticed them really engaging in self-improvement and/or transcending their basic bison-ness") as well as thinky thoughts ("Taffy defines the “grey hour” as the time when all systems are offline to make the security systems stronger and more impenetrable; this is Echo’s “grey hour.” If it is Alpha who remotely wiped Echo, does that mean that this downtime has made her stronger?").
I totally agree with you that we saw a bit of ethical murkiness with Ballard in this ep!!
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Post by Kate (K8) on Nov 25, 2009 13:53:27 GMT -5
Dollhouse just started here on UK freeview. I'd heard the first 6 episodes weren't as good but I'm liking it so far. Really enjoyed reading the reviews and threads so far. One thought:
"your either broken or your the one doing the breaking"
Echo: "I'm not broken"
(not sure of the exact words)
Echo made the choice to do the breaking by stabbing him with the syringe and maybe therefore sees herself as 'the one doing the breaking' not broken because she believes what he taught her.
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Post by Queen E on Nov 25, 2009 17:51:31 GMT -5
Erin! Good to read your thoughts as the eps get a bit more meat to them. It gave you a bit more room for wit ("from my limited knowledge of bison, I’ve not noticed them really engaging in self-improvement and/or transcending their basic bison-ness") as well as thinky thoughts ("Taffy defines the “grey hour” as the time when all systems are offline to make the security systems stronger and more impenetrable; this is Echo’s “grey hour.” If it is Alpha who remotely wiped Echo, does that mean that this downtime has made her stronger?"). I totally agree with you that we saw a bit of ethical murkiness with Ballard in this ep!! How did I miss this? I'm a BAD reviewer-responder person. I'm so glad you enjoyed the review...my thinks and my attempt to be clever. I think we definitely do see that this episode marks a bit of a turning point for Echo...
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