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Post by Squeemonster on Mar 6, 2009 21:04:22 GMT -5
"As Galactica continues to deteriorate, Adama ignores the need to abandon the ship." -- Scifi.com
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Post by Lola m on Mar 6, 2009 22:33:07 GMT -5
Hera playing at "human and cylons in space".  Something is happening and the kid is the key. Ha! Adama is "up to here" with destiny and prophesy. ;D He's also drunk and disillusioned and starting to lose it, just a bit. He's . . . OMG, he and Tigh have switched places!! Does Sharon hate him? Roslin and Six and maybe Sharon too, having the dream again? Gee, I wonder why?  Oh, man. Noble model Six, saving the other crew at the expense of herself. It's stuff like this that could continue to bring the two sides together, but is it too late? Are there too few of them? Heh! Love Tigh being all "that frakkin' Cylon rep" and saying they'll transfer the flag to their baseship over his dead body. Ha! Now they want to parcel out Galactica's bits and bobs . . . . Gaius' Magical Mystical Show is still on the air, eh? Yeah, you do see "them", don't you, Gaius. Ha! Caprica!Six - "I have no desire to join your harem." Ha! Oh you wonderfully weepy wacky Gaius, you. Poor Tigh, oh so badly comforting a dying Eight. So much confusion is right - he keeps flipping back and forth between his different "realities", Tigh who fights Cylons, Tigh who is one, Tigh who is a "father" of skin jobs. Boomer, Boomer, Boomer. Do you know what you're doing? |
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Post by Lola m on Mar 6, 2009 23:01:32 GMT -5
Ha! "You know who my people are, lady?" Saul, don't ever change. "You're a pip" indeed. ;D "You were my husband 2000 years before you ever met Bill Adama." Don't be a slash hater, Ellen.  Boomer finding it's not as easy to be a mom as she thought, eh? Well, not when you've kidnapped the kid, eh? Oooh! Hera can see the house. Cool! Starbuck visiting Gaius. That has either amusing or horrific possibilities. Oh holy crap. She told him? Gaius? Why?! Oh. For his science. You know, I'd actually fogotten that aspect of him . . . Freaky attempt to replicate the ressurection bath and/or mystical-speaking hybrid set-up for Anders.  OMG OMG OMG!! It actually worked!!! He's become like a Hybrid. And is he actually . . . powering the ship somehow? Damn! Does that mean he'll start jumping thru hyperspace? "You are the harbinger of death, Kara Thrace." Whoa! Again! Resume function. Well, which function?! |
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Post by Lola m on Mar 6, 2009 23:17:01 GMT -5
Heeeeee! Laura's sparking up with Bill.  Awwwwwww. Such a sweet moment between them. "Bill, if you don't get us off this ship, you may lose both of us at the same time. Would you give us a chance?" **melts** What fun! Baltar is doing science! Take Anders "off line". OK, Boomer? That's just creepy, taking Hera to the bedroom of your imaginary daughter. Oh poor Helo. Watching him and Sharon fall apart is just heartbreaking. You're here to take orders.  "I'm sorry. One rapter, maybe it is a suicide mission." Let him take one! I mean, dude, you've authorized "one rapter" missions for other stuff. Oh, Gaius. **facepalms** "As one amongst us here has already crossed over." Oh, you stupid stupid man.  And frankly, Starbuck? Not the brightest move to have told him. |
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Post by Lola m on Mar 6, 2009 23:28:55 GMT -5
Lee don't care, 'cuz they've all "been through some crazy crazy stuff". Well, that's the understatement of the year. ;D Puts her own picture up. Whoa. That? I was not expecting. "Everything went smoothly, I take it?" Oh you rat bastard Cavil! This was all a plan? The whole thing? To get the kid. **shakes fist at him and his machinations** "You'll have all sorts of new playmates soon." **gets shivers over the creepy** Boomer!! Do something!! What are you doing, Bill Adama? Saying goodbye? Going nuts? Ah, nuts it is then. Oh, Kara. Are you sure this is the best idea? Hooking him back up? Heh! Tigh wants the "toasters" gone. Bill? Yep, he was saying good bye. Time to pack up and head out. (Past time for that, Bill.) Ah, love these Bill and Saul BFF moments. But, what the hell is this "send her off in style" thing? I am intrigued and scared. |
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Post by Shan on Mar 7, 2009 9:36:49 GMT -5
I was thinking last week, what with the musical and artistic theme and all, that the Cylons need that last aspect, more so than the love they thought they needed to create Hera and the other human/cylon hybrids.
Think about all the other aspects of humanity - or just sentience as we know it (obviously we're biased about that, being humans ourselves). The cylons have those things. They have religion, science, loyalty, love, betrayal, altruism, opportunism, megalomania, psychosis, genocide....I can't think of enough words for the highs and lows of the behavior of free-willed beings right now. But they don't seem to have art, music, creativity (other than the urge to create more beings) since Cavil murdered Daniel and poisoned his line so that he could not be resurrected.
Sam was a musician, Kara was an artist (because she stopped being a musician when her father left?). There's got to be something about that. And I'm thinking there's got to be something about babbling "Kara Thrace you are the harbinger of death" Hybrid-Sam being hooked in to the cylonic goo being used to repair Galactica. I'm also nodding at those who are linking Kara's father with Daniel somehow, even up to saying he actually WAS Daniel.
What if the ship-jumping hybrids are being used as a venue for Daniel trying to communicate? They're kind of poetic, aren't they, with the riddles? Ellen said Cavil poisoned Daniel's resurrection amniotic goo, so maybe that accounts for some of the crazy talk. That and if the goo-tank hybrids can link into cylon bio-techno stuff, even knowing on one ship what's happening on another ship, is it possible Daniel's sentience didn't disappear altogether?
Would it really have been as easy as Cavil assumed, boxing up Daniel and erasing him? Cavil denies the existence of God and doesn't consider spiritual knowledge worth anything in comparison to the rest of the knowledge of the universe he's driven to obtain. I think, in his monumental egotism and total disdain for the spiritual and creative, Cavil's missing that Daniel, who might not be as murdered as Cavil thought, is sneaking his way back into existence. Perhaps Daniel's electromagnetic soul has been out there in the "data stream", hidden too creatively for Cavil or anyone else to find.
Perhaps Sam's and Kara's current conditions are a way to coalesce Daniel's essence back into being. Perhaps Hera is part of that key. If she is, I don't think that's what Cavil wants with her, though. Considering his comment to her in last night's episode about having lots of playmates soon, I think what he wants with her is to clone her. But I think he doesn't have the slightest idea what the ramifications of that will be.
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Post by artemis on Mar 7, 2009 14:13:46 GMT -5
i loved the hybrid!anders line, "dear liza, dear liza, there's a hole in the bucket." ;D
more seriously, i thought the cinematography in this episode was extraordinary. one of my favorite moments was when kara told gaius that the one thing she was sure of was that she wasn't an angel, and then the show transitioned to her being bathed in golden light in the doorway of the baseship, and then as the door closed the golden light turned to a deep red wash just before she started her monologue leading up to trying to shoot sam. another one of my favorite moments was the way the camera shot adama having the meltdown with the white paint (whitewash anyone?).
and kara putting her photo on the wall next to dee's was something else.
i rewatched the exposition-heavy episode before watching this one, and it really struck me how much boomer had taken cavil's lessons to heart in last week's episode - how she had, as they put it in the earlier episode, tried to learn how to be a better machine from him. watching this episode after that, it really struck me how much she's struggling between her machine side and her human side and how being around the "humans" seemed to reinforce her machine side, while taking hera to cavil and giving her to him seemed to, contrarily, reinforce her human side. after her seeming to have played chief in last week's episode, i was surprised this week when she still went to their house in her mind. i felt like it gave a new layer of complexity to her character.
and that hera could see the house too made me wonder if hera is the one who's been projecting the visions/dreams to caprica six, athena, and roslin.
also? i love tigh. ;D he's such a funny, frank, passionate character.
i am really going to miss this show!
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Post by artemis on Mar 7, 2009 14:18:51 GMT -5
What if the ship-jumping hybrids are being used as a venue for Daniel trying to communicate? They're kind of poetic, aren't they, with the riddles? Ellen said Cavil poisoned Daniel's resurrection amniotic goo, so maybe that accounts for some of the crazy talk. That and if the goo-tank hybrids can link into cylon bio-techno stuff, even knowing on one ship what's happening on another ship, is it possible Daniel's sentience didn't disappear altogether? Would it really have been as easy as Cavil assumed, boxing up Daniel and erasing him? Cavil denies the existence of God and doesn't consider spiritual knowledge worth anything in comparison to the rest of the knowledge of the universe he's driven to obtain. I think, in his monumental egotism and total disdain for the spiritual and creative, Cavil's missing that Daniel, who might not be as murdered as Cavil thought, is sneaking his way back into existence. Perhaps Daniel's electromagnetic soul has been out there in the "data stream", hidden too creatively for Cavil or anyone else to find. i've been wondering the same thing. the hybrids seem to be tuned into something, and something that seems to ... have somewhat of a mind of its own, since different hybrids/sam keep repeating the same themes over and over, from ship to ship and month to month. it seems very very cavil-ish to assume that his plan worked until proven otherwise. cavil believing it worked (and seeming to have convinced everyone else of the same) certainly doesn't mean that it actually did! it certainly seems that way to me. the things sam said while connected up to galactica and the fact that hera helped kara reconnect with her childhood and with playing music specifically - and put a piece of the puzzle together for the final five - seem to all be very important to me. indeed! but then, that seems very cavil too. ;D |
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Post by Karen on Mar 8, 2009 21:40:55 GMT -5
Ah. Daniel is Kara's dad. That is a very plausible theory, Shan.
Who do you think her mother is? Ellen? Ellen would know that, tho, wouldn't she?
Hmm.....when she told Tigh he was father to thousands .. what do suppose she meant by it?
Like the idea of art and music being key to - what? Their survival?
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Post by Shan on Mar 9, 2009 9:58:28 GMT -5
Ah. Daniel is Kara's dad. That is a very plausible theory, Shan. Who do you think her mother is? Ellen? Ellen would know that, tho, wouldn't she? Hmm.....when she told Tigh he was father to thousands .. what do suppose she meant by it? Like the idea of art and music being key to - what? Their survival? I can't take credit for the Daniel-as-Kara's-dad theory, I got that somewhere else. Possibly from what someone posted here on the dicussion thread that was gleaned from another site. There was an episode with Kara's mother in it, I don't think it was Ellen or she would have come out about it already. And what Ellen meant when she told Tigh he was the father of millions was that Ellen and Tigh and the rest of the Final Five (or Original Five) helped the Centurions create the millions of humanoid cylons as an inducement to stop the war that the Galactica was originally commissioned for. That's when the centurions originally went away, and stopped coming to the meeting station for the 40 or so years that the humans kept sending a representative. That was the scene in the original miniseries pilot when the Six shows up and shocks the human before everything goes kerflooey. |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 11, 2009 18:41:55 GMT -5
I was thinking last week, what with the musical and artistic theme and all, that the Cylons need that last aspect, more so than the love they thought they needed to create Hera and the other human/cylon hybrids. Think about all the other aspects of humanity - or just sentience as we know it (obviously we're biased about that, being humans ourselves). The cylons have those things. They have religion, science, loyalty, love, betrayal, altruism, opportunism, megalomania, psychosis, genocide....I can't think of enough words for the highs and lows of the behavior of free-willed beings right now. But they don't seem to have art, music, creativity (other than the urge to create more beings) since Cavil murdered Daniel and poisoned his line so that he could not be resurrected. Sam was a musician, Kara was an artist (because she stopped being a musician when her father left?). There's got to be something about that. And I'm thinking there's got to be something about babbling "Kara Thrace you are the harbinger of death" Hybrid-Sam being hooked in to the cylonic goo being used to repair Galactica. I'm also nodding at those who are linking Kara's father with Daniel somehow, even up to saying he actually WAS Daniel. What if the ship-jumping hybrids are being used as a venue for Daniel trying to communicate? They're kind of poetic, aren't they, with the riddles? Ellen said Cavil poisoned Daniel's resurrection amniotic goo, so maybe that accounts for some of the crazy talk. That and if the goo-tank hybrids can link into cylon bio-techno stuff, even knowing on one ship what's happening on another ship, is it possible Daniel's sentience didn't disappear altogether? Would it really have been as easy as Cavil assumed, boxing up Daniel and erasing him? Cavil denies the existence of God and doesn't consider spiritual knowledge worth anything in comparison to the rest of the knowledge of the universe he's driven to obtain. I think, in his monumental egotism and total disdain for the spiritual and creative, Cavil's missing that Daniel, who might not be as murdered as Cavil thought, is sneaking his way back into existence. Perhaps Daniel's electromagnetic soul has been out there in the "data stream", hidden too creatively for Cavil or anyone else to find. Perhaps Sam's and Kara's current conditions are a way to coalesce Daniel's essence back into being. Perhaps Hera is part of that key. If she is, I don't think that's what Cavil wants with her, though. Considering his comment to her in last night's episode about having lots of playmates soon, I think what he wants with her is to clone her. But I think he doesn't have the slightest idea what the ramifications of that will be. Ooh, I really like that idea. |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 11, 2009 18:46:19 GMT -5
Teaser
Opera House Vision again.
Nice cut from battle board to the real spaceships.
Repairs well underway. Tensions running high.
Anders is coming to?
About what's going to happen to Hera.
The Colony.
Oh, the Cylon's colony.
I bet that's where everyone's going to se
About All Along the Watchtower.
All the pieces are coming together now.
I've had it up to here with destiny.
Adama doubts God, or the Gods.
Planning a rescue mission.
Helo and Athena. Fallout.
AWKWARD.
Caprica still traumatized.
Roslin's health is really failing, I guess.
Hull breach. YIKES.
Who was that that got sucked into space?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 11, 2009 18:46:50 GMT -5
39,521 survivors.
Part I
Causualties from the accident.
Straw that broke the camel's back.
Rapsonya(?).
Now Roslin's talking like the Oracle.
Oh, she's in her Opera House vision.
Press briefing. Lee fields questions.
Yep, Onjel's right. Everyone's going to have to go over to the basestar.
Bicker, bicker, bicker.
Oh, maybe this is actually the new Quorum.
Gaius Balter!?
Heh. That was a really funny line reading.
Baltar's started up his radio sermons again.
Angels.
Baltar catches up with Caprica.
Water under the bridge, dude.
You haven't changed, Gaius, not really. I have.
Parallels between Galactica and Roslin again.
Tigh talks to an Eight.
Boomer and Hera.
Hera's showing her own agency. Good. I'd like to see her assert herself more after being a MacGuffin all this while.
Wow, Boomer really doesn't have a drop of maternal instinct in her, does she?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 11, 2009 18:47:58 GMT -5
Part II, III, IV, and Coda. Yeah I missed the cutoffs, so these all blurred together for me.
Ellen and Tigh bicker, bicker, bicker. Times never change.
Question of loyalties and identities.
About ending the cycle of war between man and machine.
I had a child; she died.
You're wrong, Saul. You had millions.
Back with Boomer and Hera.
This is too funny. Heh.
Boomer's special place. The house we saw from before.
Hera can project too.
Kara and Baltar again.
Oh, how I've missed the bathroom scenes. Hee!
About the existence of Angels.
Kara confides in Baltar about her being dead.
Interesting. I didn't expect her to confide in him, but it does make a certain amount of sense.
Anders in the hybrid tank.
Kara's feelings for Anders.
And then she shoots him! Whoa. And now *he's* talking like the hybrid.
That Kara trace line again.
Adama and Roslin. Reading again.
About the groundbreaking ceremony. Roslin's fantasy cabin.
Sometimes I wonder what home is, or is it some kind of longing for something, some kind of connection.
Roslin was a wanderer until she made Galactica her home.
About having to give up Galactica.
Baltar testing Kara's blood, I presume.
More hybrid babbling from Anders.
Ah, Anders' become a hybrid for the Galactica because of the Cylon upgrades.
Cavill moved the Colony.
Oh. I guess they won't be settling there then.
Back with Boomer and Hera in the house.
I wonder if Hera is going to be Boomers salvation.
Back on Galactica.
Adama and Helo.
Love and loss.
I guess the Eight that died was Athena then?
Memorial service.
Nice interposition between the three ceremonies.
Baltar preaches on eternal life.
Baltar reveals Kara's resurrection. What the hell did he do that for?
Kara looks just devastated.
Kara and Lee.
Ooh, Celtic pipes.
Kara puts herself up on The Wall.
This must be the colony. It looks sort of like the Borg Homeworld.
Boomer passes Hera over to Cavill.
Now she suddenly decides to grow a conscience?
Adama repaints his quarters? Huh?
More Kara and Anders.
Adama and Tigh.
Adama orders evacuation of Galactica. *Sniff*
This ship never let us down, so we're going to send her off in style. Aww...
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 11, 2009 18:51:26 GMT -5
i loved the hybrid!anders line, "dear liza, dear liza, there's a hole in the bucket." ;D more seriously, i thought the cinematography in this episode was extraordinary. one of my favorite moments was when kara told gaius that the one thing she was sure of was that she wasn't an angel, and then the show transitioned to her being bathed in golden light in the doorway of the baseship, and then as the door closed the golden light turned to a deep red wash just before she started her monologue leading up to trying to shoot sam. another one of my favorite moments was the way the camera shot adama having the meltdown with the white paint (whitewash anyone?). and kara putting her photo on the wall next to dee's was something else. i rewatched the exposition-heavy episode before watching this one, and it really struck me how much boomer had taken cavil's lessons to heart in last week's episode - how she had, as they put it in the earlier episode, tried to learn how to be a better machine from him. watching this episode after that, it really struck me how much she's struggling between her machine side and her human side and how being around the "humans" seemed to reinforce her machine side, while taking hera to cavil and giving her to him seemed to, contrarily, reinforce her human side. after her seeming to have played chief in last week's episode, i was surprised this week when she still went to their house in her mind. i felt like it gave a new layer of complexity to her character. and that hera could see the house too made me wonder if hera is the one who's been projecting the visions/dreams to caprica six, athena, and roslin. also? i love tigh. ;D he's such a funny, frank, passionate character. i am really going to miss this show! Yeah, I had the thought about the paint scene too. And neat thought about Boomer. That makes a lot of sense. |
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And frankly, Starbuck? Not the brightest move to have told him. 
