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Post by Matthew on Mar 20, 2009 22:08:32 GMT -5
yay, for the first family of cromagnons!
And we get to see what these two have to do with their hallucinations..
and the hallucinations are gone. And they area happy couple together again.
And his flashback... Aw! Smoochies! and getting along to the whole "commited treason against the whole of humanity" thing!
So is it really love, on his part?
Baltar wants to become a farmer again? Get back to his childhood roots?
Adama talking to Laura still. So sweet.....
Hera..
Grassslands and deserts and oceans and woods and cities a hundred fifty thousand years in the future.
Hera was Eve..
And these two are still manifest and walking about.
And nice way to end the show, with advances in robots and the real version of Watchtower.
Okay. I approve.
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Post by Onjel on Mar 20, 2009 22:08:48 GMT -5
He doesn't like that name? Rachael, didn't you once say that Baltar was the Cylon god? Or was that Shan? Someone said it! Was Baltar referring to himself here? Wow. Now, that bit of the ending I thought was really cool.
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Post by Matthew on Mar 20, 2009 22:27:46 GMT -5
OMGWTFBBQ! (bet you know which scene i've reached!) Actually, no. There's far too many of those moments for me to pinpoint one just from that reaction.
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Post by Matthew on Mar 20, 2009 22:34:23 GMT -5
He doesn't like that name? Rachael, didn't you once say that Baltar was the Cylon god? Or was that Shan? Someone said it! Was Baltar referring to himself here? Wow. Now, that bit of the ending I thought was really cool. I thought he was the cylon god. Though I'm damned if I can remember if I ever actually said it out loud/in print... so dunno.
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Post by Matthew on Mar 20, 2009 22:35:39 GMT -5
I wholely approve of this series finale. Especially once my heart rate returned to normal. DAMN that was awesome. And I really really miss AngelicKara.
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Post by Rachael on Mar 21, 2009 1:12:32 GMT -5
Hrm. My reviews are mixed.
I loved the first 65 minutes and the last 5.
The intervening Lord of the Rings-style denouement took too much time and was deathly boring. Too much time killing people and saying long goodbyes.
I don't think Baltar is God after all. I think God went unrevealed...and wasn't that an "it"? You know "it" doesn't like that name?
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Post by Rachael on Mar 21, 2009 1:20:10 GMT -5
So, I'm with those who oppose Lee's lunatic Luddite plan. At least the DOCTOR would have objected.
"Um. Okay, but can I at least keep the antibiotics?"
And...small groups. No. Way to inbreed, motherfrakkers. And that'll be nearly literal in a few generations. Plus, small groups are harder to defend if the natives turn out to be not-so-peaceful.
I get why they did it - unlike the Pernese, these folks aren't going to be permitted to rediscover their actual heritage in a few thousand years...but, still. Stupid as all getout, people.
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Mar 21, 2009 2:11:38 GMT -5
I really like how what Kara is, is left implicit. Sneaky of them.
Julia, however, if I were Ron Moore, I'd think seriously about working out before he pulls a Hitchcock again.
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Post by Matthew on Mar 21, 2009 3:11:07 GMT -5
So, I'm with those who oppose Lee's lunatic Luddite plan. At least the DOCTOR would have objected. "Um. Okay, but can I at least keep the antibiotics?" And...small groups. No. Way to inbreed, motherfrakkers. And that'll be nearly literal in a few generations. Plus, small groups are harder to defend if the natives turn out to be not-so-peaceful. I get why they did it - unlike the Pernese, these folks aren't going to be permitted to rediscover their actual heritage in a few thousand years...but, still. Stupid as all getout, people. I dunno: thirty-eight thousand split between what looked like three major settlement areas (Australia, Yangtze valley, Rift Valley (or approx)) seems to me like more than enough to start out with, provided they inculcate exogamy into their culture well enough that each medium-sized or small-sized settlement gets a fresh influx of new blood. I doubt that despite their idiot decision to give up all technology that their culture will die in too short a period of time. I don't see them devolving to mother-frakkery so soon as all that. And I thought of Pern, too. But I'm still honked at the decision to eschew technology. Working metallurgy and machine tools and such can mean a hell of a lot in terms of keeping yourself from starving. Particularly when you don't have any gorram Space-Amish with you who know how to farm with their bare silly hands. All your farmers still there know tractors and fertilizers, and mostly, hydroponics. GAH. Yeah, I know, it's necessary for the stinger that they are our cro-mag ancestors, but still, someone ought to slap Lee and every person who decided to go along with it. AT LEAST GIVE YOURSELF A START, ya dips! And let those who want to continue to be spacers, who want to engage in macro-life bugger off with the greenhouse ship and some of the others, loaded to the gills with spare parts. Maybe someone else could go back and settle Kobol! It looked pretty!
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Post by Onjel on Mar 21, 2009 6:49:40 GMT -5
He doesn't like that name? Rachael, didn't you once say that Baltar was the Cylon god? Or was that Shan? Someone said it! Was Baltar referring to himself here? Wow. Now, that bit of the ending I thought was really cool. I thought he was the cylon god. Though I'm damned if I can remember if I ever actually said it out loud/in print... so dunno. Oops. Sorry about that, if you did say it out loud. I don't know. It sounded an awful lot like Baltar said "Shh. You know he doesn't like that name." But I could be wrong. So, the identity of "God" was left unrevealed and Kara the angel doesn't have to be stated, but here's my problem with the Kara angel: Beneath all the cool gadgetry and CGI of SciFi and all the "someday that will be possibles" there has to be believability and a foothold in real science and the notion (for me, I'll admit as I'm not a big believer in angels) that a character is really an angel/manifestation in 3-D takes the story beyond the realm of having a foothold in real science and isn't believable. Then again, neither are the 6 and Baltar pair hanging around 21st Century Earth as manifestations of messengers (or something) of a deity. I found the colonization of Earth bit the anticlimax of which I spoke yesterday and did not think that throwing all their technology and advancements into the sun was a smart or even good idea but it's not my story. I can only say that bit was a letdown for me. I loved the first hour and a few and the last bit of the show, like Rachael. (Sorry about the mistaken identity of the board namer of the Cylon God. ;D ) I think the writers could have come up with something, I don't know, different.
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Post by Karen on Mar 21, 2009 9:14:22 GMT -5
Oh. I hate hate hate cinema puking.
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Mar 21, 2009 11:21:24 GMT -5
So, I'm with those who oppose Lee's lunatic Luddite plan. At least the DOCTOR would have objected. "Um. Okay, but can I at least keep the antibiotics?" And...small groups. No. Way to inbreed, motherfrakkers. And that'll be nearly literal in a few generations. Plus, small groups are harder to defend if the natives turn out to be not-so-peaceful. I get why they did it - unlike the Pernese, these folks aren't going to be permitted to rediscover their actual heritage in a few thousand years...but, still. Stupid as all getout, people. I dunno: thirty-eight thousand split between what looked like three major settlement areas (Australia, Yangtze valley, Rift Valley (or approx)) seems to me like more than enough to start out with, provided they inculcate exogamy into their culture well enough that each medium-sized or small-sized settlement gets a fresh influx of new blood. I doubt that despite their idiot decision to give up all technology that their culture will die in too short a period of time. I don't see them devolving to mother-frakkery so soon as all that. And I thought of Pern, too. But I'm still honked at the decision to eschew technology. Working metallurgy and machine tools and such can mean a hell of a lot in terms of keeping yourself from starving. Particularly when you don't have any gorram Space-Amish with you who know how to farm with their bare silly hands. All your farmers still there know tractors and fertilizers, and mostly, hydroponics. GAH. Yeah, I know, it's necessary for the stinger that they are our cro-mag ancestors, but still, someone ought to slap Lee and every person who decided to go along with it. AT LEAST GIVE YOURSELF A START, ya dips! And let those who want to continue to be spacers, who want to engage in macro-life bugger off with the greenhouse ship and some of the others, loaded to the gills with spare parts. Maybe someone else could go back and settle Kobol! It looked pretty! I've read at least one article which contended that populations of humans dropped below 10,000 world-wide more than once in evolutionary history; the numbers I've seen for the size of the groups which populated North America are in the hundreds, total. If Hera is "Mitochondrial Eve" it implies that the Gallacticans (less likely, the Cylons) were carrying a plague which did major damage to the H. erectus population they were surrounded by, or that female H. erectus or H. erectus X televisicus individuals were at severe reproductive disadvantage. Because otherwise the math just doesn't work. Comparing it with Pern is instructive; Pern went back to the worst kind of feudal tyranny because people tried to hang on to tech they couldn't manufacture, and the extreme conservatism necessitated by trying to keep geriatric computer systems running left them fucked when things broke. Julia, the universe building has a lot in common with LeGuin's Hainish Cycle, where seeding H.sap. variants across the galaxy was an intentional experiment.
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Post by Rachael on Mar 21, 2009 11:50:25 GMT -5
I dunno: thirty-eight thousand split between what looked like three major settlement areas (Australia, Yangtze valley, Rift Valley (or approx)) seems to me like more than enough to start out with, provided they inculcate exogamy into their culture well enough that each medium-sized or small-sized settlement gets a fresh influx of new blood. I doubt that despite their idiot decision to give up all technology that their culture will die in too short a period of time. I don't see them devolving to mother-frakkery so soon as all that. And I thought of Pern, too. But I'm still honked at the decision to eschew technology. Working metallurgy and machine tools and such can mean a hell of a lot in terms of keeping yourself from starving. Particularly when you don't have any gorram Space-Amish with you who know how to farm with their bare silly hands. All your farmers still there know tractors and fertilizers, and mostly, hydroponics. GAH. Yeah, I know, it's necessary for the stinger that they are our cro-mag ancestors, but still, someone ought to slap Lee and every person who decided to go along with it. AT LEAST GIVE YOURSELF A START, ya dips! And let those who want to continue to be spacers, who want to engage in macro-life bugger off with the greenhouse ship and some of the others, loaded to the gills with spare parts. Maybe someone else could go back and settle Kobol! It looked pretty! I've read at least one article which contended that populations of humans dropped below 10,000 world-wide more than once in evolutionary history; the numbers I've seen for the size of the groups which populated North America are in the hundreds, total. If Hera is "Mitochondrial Eve" it implies that the Gallacticans (less likely, the Cylons) were carrying a plague which did major damage to the H. erectus population they were surrounded by, or that female H. erectus or H. erectus X televisicus individuals were at severe reproductive disadvantage. Because otherwise the math just doesn't work. Comparing it with Pern is instructive; Pern went back to the worst kind of feudal tyranny because people tried to hang on to tech they couldn't manufacture, and the extreme conservatism necessitated by trying to keep geriatric computer systems running left them fucked when things broke. Julia, the universe building has a lot in common with LeGuin's Hainish Cycle, where seeding H.sap. variants across the galaxy was an intentional experiment. I was also really surprised that Hera is Mitochondrial Eve, if for no reason than the fact of her being the only hemicylon on the planet - it implies that not only did Galactica's humans outcompete the natives, but also that Hera's line outcompeted the "pure" human lines, too. I thought it was a huge coincidence given there was only the one of her. But, then, perhaps God wanted it that way. Dave and I were thinking in terms of the actual groups we saw, which seemed to be very tiny - a couple hundred at most walking along...and where were all the children? No kids at all among the settlers, or did the producers neglect to show us any of them? I would be onboard with the leaving behind of most technology, since, as you say, it's not something they can replicate...but some things would be handy, like the aforementioned antibiotics, and I would have converted the ships to usable tools as much as possible before destroying them, most likely. Lots of metal for good farming implements, if nothing else. I just worry that none of them actually knows how to farm, so a generation of using technology as a minor crutch might be handy.
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Post by artemis on Mar 21, 2009 12:09:41 GMT -5
If Hera is "Mitochondrial Eve" it implies that the Gallacticans (less likely, the Cylons) were carrying a plague which did major damage to the H. erectus population they were surrounded by, or that female H. erectus or H. erectus X televisicus individuals were at severe reproductive disadvantage. Because otherwise the math just doesn't work. 150,000 years ago was recently enough for Homo sapiens to be evolving/have evolved (depending what date one believes) from H. erectus in africa. i agree that it seems like the writers knew enough about the science to make it sound like they knew what they were talking about to laypeople, but that they didn't really put it to the most accurate use. i thought of that, too.
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Post by artemis on Mar 21, 2009 12:13:07 GMT -5
Dave and I were thinking in terms of the actual groups we saw, which seemed to be very tiny - a couple hundred at most walking along...and where were all the children? No kids at all among the settlers, or did the producers neglect to show us any of them? i have no idea if this is what they intended or just what i took from it, but personally i interpreted the main group they looked at through the binoculars as a hunting group. i guess maybe i interpreted them that way just because it seems to be the way ancient peoples are usually depicted. (well, that and the spears, or at least what looked to me like spears)
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