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Post by Lola m on Apr 3, 2009 20:04:35 GMT -5
Here ya are!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 3, 2009 20:14:05 GMT -5
Ooh, more shirtless Ballard. Echo stops by. Are they going to make out? They are! I'm not a client. Um... This is a set up by Adelle, right? Ah, this must be a dream. OK, yeah it is. Corpse Caroline. Ooh, pretty make up. Morning at the Dollhouse. Smiles exchanged between Echo and November? House Mother watches. Adelle keeps waxing poetic. Adelle has her hair down. Interesting. Oh, she's holding a staff meeting. Upgrading utilities. That should go well. This house is out of balance. [~ some Shakespeare line I can't recall] Don't think of them as children. Think of them as pets. Adelle doesn't understand anything about what Topher does. This is going to turn into a haunted house/ghost story episode, isn't it? They pump in drugs into the pods when they sleep. Hired to protect dolls in the field, protect the house above all else. All the dolls having memory flashes. I'm wondering whether it's due to sabotage rather than incompetence. But it's incompetence to have let these glitches to have gone on for as long as they have. Waking up during the sleep cycle. Like being buried alive. Ah, I'll bet that something else is being pumped into the pods that's causing the glitches.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 3, 2009 20:18:09 GMT -5
Ah, this is Paul's fantasy/dream/nightmare, yes? "Save me!" "I'm trying to stop everything." Paul in a nutshell. Troubles at the Dollhouse. "This house is out of balance." Oh, that's what the problem is? "Don't think of them like children. Think of them as pets." Oy! Dr Saunders is just as WTF about that as we are. "If you're child starts talking for the first time, you feel proud. If your dog does, you freak the hell out." That is actually logical . . . horrific, yes, but logical. We're getting more info about the complex web of tech and drugs and what not that makes this whole thing work. And yeah, sounds like a house of cards on the verse of tumbling over, to me. Doc S and Boyd are the only ones speaking up for the actives, each in their own way. But I wonder if some of the other staff think the same and just aren't talking. Waking up in a box . . . shades of buried Buffy . . .
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 3, 2009 20:24:19 GMT -5
Is there no night watchman on duty?
All the Dolls wake up.
Dolls trying to figure out there situation. They don't sound like their blank slate selves.
There's the 5th doll.
Ah, memories are still wiped, but they have actually personalities, express complex thoughts and so forth.
Wow, there are lots more dolls in this house. That makes sense based on the guy wanting the "army of dolls" in the last episode. I guess the show just focuses on one subset of 5.
Victor knows the navy alphabet thing. That flash in the last episode must have been from his former life.
Interesting to hear all their guessing about what is going on.
Ballard... discovers the bugs. And it took him how long?
Security must be asleep at the switch or over confident if they haven't caught on by now.
Sanders is the mole?
So, they have memories, just not about who they are.
Blonde doll is back to his blank slate status.
Now, Dom reports about their problem.
Ah, Adelle was planning this! To... flush out the mole?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 3, 2009 20:36:56 GMT -5
Oh, this is like a fire drill.
Freedom must be earned. OK, then.
The light at the end of the tunnel is... another tunnel.
Blonde chick is Tango.
Interesting that the inner sanctum part is all glass and wood paneling, while these outer parts are more standard dreary industrial.
Sierra and Victor know each other from before?
Sierra is remembering more of her past.
Wardrobe room.
Mellie has a daughter. Katie. Whoa. What did they do with her?
Motorpool. All black Ford SUVs. heh.
Nolan.
An imprinted Tango. They're starting to figure it out. A people warehouse.
The more y'all are sitting here talking, the more likely you are to get caught, you guys!
I know we're supposed to think Echoes, heroic and all, but she really should just get away and take some time to come up with a strategy. I just see her decision as kind of rash and stupid. But fitting with what we know of Caroline.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 3, 2009 20:38:24 GMT -5
They're all waking up. Really waking up. Ah, the theories! Aliens . . . nuthouse . . . prisoners . . . "Definitely feelin' kinda lab ratty here." "I'm leaving before the electric shock." Ha! Ah, they all have amnesia? So, they're not wiped, like they would normally be, but they're not really their old selves, either. Run sounds like the plan I'd go for too. Run strategically. ;D Heeee! "Come on. Who doesn't want to put alien guy back in the box?" And there they go, off into the house like usual, only they're not usual at all. Clever them, figuring out they need to pretend to blend in. (Let's see, we've got: Victor, Sierra, Mike is Alien guy, Mellie is November, and Echo. Oh, and someone in the hall was "Tango". Now, of course, I want to meet Whiskey and Foxtrot. ) They're not going to be able to keep up the pretence for long. They look too . . . intersted, too curious. Not blank enough. "I like pancakes." "We're all gonna die." And yeah, that's just what I was saying up above, eh? Lookin' for surveillance stuff, and he finds it. Breakfast of the doomed. ;D Reaction to scars is bad, Echo! Too much!! And Dr S tries to help, but only a bit. "I'm not your friend in here, Echo." "I'm happy. I'm happy! Guys, I'm relaxed and I'm happy. I like banana pancakes. I wanna climb the rock wall now. Isn't that what you want? Tell me and I'll do it. Please help!" That was disturbing than I thought it would be. Nice demonstration of the difference in how they are when wiped. Realizing the shower are unusual and then meeting Mike and he's all back to "I like sleeping". "We have four actives preparing to escape." "Right on schedule." OK, now they're freaking me out!!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 3, 2009 20:43:44 GMT -5
Confrontation with woman from earlier.
Ballard. Is this Allan Tudyk?
It's a very fancy bug. Does Rossum do electronics as well as pharmaceuticals?
Dolls driving around in a circle.
Adelle and Dom. Adelle recognizes Caroline. So she wasn't expecting that?
Power on the fritz.
Are the Actives afraid of the dark? I don't know, they've never seen it.
No imprinting without power. Their prices are going to skyrocket Post Peak Oil.
ADW. Afraid of the dark. Of course.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 3, 2009 20:55:03 GMT -5
I feel kind of vindicated to see Topher called to task for what he does. Topher just hacks the system. Show, don't tell. HA! Victor and Sierra. Oh, this must be the guy Sierra was talking about. Why is Echo/Caroline the only proactive woman we see here? November wandering aimlessly. Blah blah blah. Echo still interrogating Topher. Topher tries to defend himself. We help people become better people by giving them what they need. O RLY? I don't usually do the sales pitch. Heh. The Dolls are dead. Or volunteers. And the powers back on. You know, Echo, this interrogation is nice and all, but you know that if you stay in one place too long, they're going to nab you, erase your memories, and you'll lose everything that you just learned. Putting Topher in the chair. Nice. Wait, Sierra and Victor are back in the Dollhouse? Or does one mass produced stairwell look just like another? Can't imprint on top of a fully functional brain. I'm just the Science Guy. I'm sure that's what Mengele said. Adelle!
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Post by Lola m on Apr 3, 2009 20:56:09 GMT -5
Oh, this is an "exercise". Like a security drill. But no one knows the drill is going to happen. This could go rather horribly awry, couldn't it? Victor and Sienna trying to see if they have any memories at all. Well, there's at least one other handler that buys into the "don't get attached to the pet who might need to be put down" thing. Sierra remembering men with guns, took her away, the man who put her here. Will they all start remembering more? And then, they get re-grabbed and it all goes away again? Mellie!November has a daughter . . . or does she really? If there is a baby carriage there, maybe she had a faux child on an assignment . . . Do they tell someone. Tell the FBI? For all we know, this is the FBI. Ooooh, nice bit of connecting things, eh? Echo!Caroline did a nice job there of connecting the dots, talking to them about how they can remember bits and put their different bits together to help them. Ah, now they see the post-"treatment" Tango. Getting an inkling of what might be going on . . . "That's not a costume warehouse, that's a people warehouse." Oh!! And the part of Caroline that was the activist, break in and do something, part? That's what's making her not want to leave, yes? And yeah, it is actually a kind of futile effort idea, really. But also, it messes with the escape drill that the DeWitt planned, doesn't it?
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Post by Lola m on Apr 3, 2009 21:10:05 GMT -5
Fight! Damn, they do good fight scene on this show. Also? Nice touch to show Caroline!Echo start to help the woman and look confuses, torn, for a moment before she goes for a weapon again. "This don't even exist yet." and "Can I trace where it was transmitting?" "Absolutely. If you were ET." Nice. ;D Mellie!November remembers her life. Hmmm. And they let her split off because "that's why we left, we decide for ourselves". And of course, I keep going back to the "lab ratty" feeling. They're not really free, they're just running down the different corridors of the maze. "This is Caroline, minus the memories. This is exactly what Caroline would do." Yes! I was so right! "Caroline never was very realistic." Ah, but the power/security system upgrade problems are gonna play havoc with your little experiment in "letting it play out", aren't they? "Are the actives afraid of the dark?" "No, they've never seen it." Interesting that Topher looks intrigued by Echo taking out the power. "I am ATD." Ooooh, and there she is!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 3, 2009 21:13:40 GMT -5
Echo/Caroline shoots at the machine. That might have been the best strategy considering how little time she had. Just to start shooting up the place. Would have set the Dollhouse back for a while.
Echo/Caroline wanted to forget.
Adelle thinks that she eased Caroline's suffering. Does she really believe that?
The Brave New World argument.
Reasons for becoming a Doll, to forget whatever trauma was in their life. Except that's not what we saw with Corporate Spy in the last episode.
Ohhh, Mellie's daughter is dead.
Sierra and Victor.
Victor describing what feels like as a Doll. Which sort of contradicts what Adelle said.
Adelle asserts that Victor and Sierra won't be able to handle it.
All the Dolls leaving the Dollhouse. Oh, Adelle means the other dolls. Hmm, may be difficult adjustment, but I wouldn't rule out that they would be able to adjust.
Nice music here.
Something in their programing causing all the dolls to fall asleep.
This is sort of making me think of Awakenings.
Flashback to the staff meeting.
Sanders suggest closure. "Give them what they need." So that was the plan all along. It's kind of like the Two Minutes Hate or whatever it was in Brave New World.
Ballard and Sanders wrapping up.
Ballard has to look after Echo. Sanders has to look after all of them.
She wasn't leading them to freedom, she was leading them to a world of terror and chaos that would have destroy them. And the distinction is?
I'm thinking that something traumatic happened to Sanders that lead to her work at the Dollhouse. It's almost like she's envious of the Dolls, at least in their blank slate state. Like she's being tantalized by being able to witness that bliss, but not experience it for herself.
People should have the right to be unhappy, or else happiness itself has no meaning. [Brave New World]
She's not leading them anywhere, anymore. You should be grateful. Yeah, I'll work on that.
Interesting that 2 of the dolls assume a sort of coffin position while the others take a fetal position.
Ballard. Message from Caroline. Now he's so messed up he doesn't know whether to believe her or when to believe her.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 3, 2009 21:17:05 GMT -5
Ah, this is Paul's fantasy/dream/nightmare, yes? "Save me!" "I'm trying to stop everything." Paul in a nutshell. Troubles at the Dollhouse. "This house is out of balance." Oh, that's what the problem is? "Don't think of them like children. Think of them as pets." Oy! Dr Saunders is just as WTF about that as we are. "If you're child starts talking for the first time, you feel proud. If your dog does, you freak the hell out." That is actually logical . . . horrific, yes, but logical. We're getting more info about the complex web of tech and drugs and what not that makes this whole thing work. And yeah, sounds like a house of cards on the verse of tumbling over, to me. Doc S and Boyd are the only ones speaking up for the actives, each in their own way. But I wonder if some of the other staff think the same and just aren't talking. Waking up in a box . . . shades of buried Buffy . . .Yeah, I was thinking that too. Although the way the pods are set up remind me a lot of the pre-cog "temple" in Minority Report. Except for the water.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 3, 2009 21:30:30 GMT -5
Tell me what you do and make it simple. ;D And Topher is always happy to talk about his fabulous skillz. "Show, don't tell!" Ha!! The writer's motto. Frequent buyer reward. So, this guy "hires" her a lot? But, this is the guy who sent her to the Dollhouse . . . he knew her before? Why did he do it? She said no. He bribed people to do this. "Owning you is better than real estate." Why tell them that security is coming? Just to be cruel? Is this really what Topher believes? Good people, nice people? Help people become "better" by giving them what they need? You are not dead. You volunteered. What did he do last time? Made her like this. And there's that argument about how when the contract is up, everything will be peachy. And she's making a ton of money, supposedly. Hmmmm. "How come it's there, if you didn't give it to me?" Oh, nicely put! Ooooh! Put him in his own chair? Interesting! Pain is nothing more than nerves talking to your brain. I'm just the science guy. Oh, Topher. Keep telling yourself that. Let them go. He can't, ah but Adelle can. Now where do we go from here?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 3, 2009 21:37:12 GMT -5
Ah, this is Paul's fantasy/dream/nightmare, yes? "Save me!" "I'm trying to stop everything." Paul in a nutshell. Troubles at the Dollhouse. "This house is out of balance." Oh, that's what the problem is? "Don't think of them like children. Think of them as pets." Oy! Dr Saunders is just as WTF about that as we are. "If you're child starts talking for the first time, you feel proud. If your dog does, you freak the hell out." That is actually logical . . . horrific, yes, but logical.We're getting more info about the complex web of tech and drugs and what not that makes this whole thing work. And yeah, sounds like a house of cards on the verse of tumbling over, to me.Doc S and Boyd are the only ones speaking up for the actives, each in their own way. But I wonder if some of the other staff think the same and just aren't talking. Waking up in a box . . . shades of buried Buffy . . . It interesting because the other day I was thinking about how looking after Yuri was in some ways like looking after a child, in that I have to feed him and clean up after him and cuddle with him and play with him, but I don't have to actually raise him to be an autonomous being. He'll probably be dependent on me for the rest of his life.
What you've got with Dom and others, however, is pseudo-speciation, which is dangerous thinking, psychologically speaking (witness attitudes towards the enemy of a nation at war as well as racial strife). Interestingly, we've seen Dom act rather antagonistically towards Echo and the Dolls in general, suggesting that he doesn't really see them as just pets. Or he has difficulties managing his aggression.Yeah, it's sort of tempting Murphy's Law, isn't it? Seems like simpler would be wiser.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 3, 2009 21:44:21 GMT -5
Tell me what you do and make it simple. ;D And Topher is always happy to talk about his fabulous skillz. "Show, don't tell!" Ha!! The writer's motto. Frequent buyer reward. So, this guy "hires" her a lot? But, this is the guy who sent her to the Dollhouse . . . he knew her before? Why did he do it? She said no. He bribed people to do this. "Owning you is better than real estate." Why tell them that security is coming? Just to be cruel? Is this really what Topher believes? Good people, nice people? Help people become "better" by giving them what they need? You are not dead. You volunteered. What did he do last time? Made her like this. And there's that argument about how when the contract is up, everything will be peachy. And she's making a ton of money, supposedly. Hmmmm. "How come it's there, if you didn't give it to me?" Oh, nicely put! Ooooh! Put him in his own chair? Interesting! Pain is nothing more than nerves talking to your brain. I'm just the science guy. Oh, Topher. Keep telling yourself that. Let them go. He can't, ah but Adelle can. Now where do we go from here? Yeah, I was confused by that moment too. I'm also thinking about the Dollhouse concept in relation to military service now too. Being well compensated (and provided for while in service), possibility of collateral damage, the idea of giving service to something bigger than you, "volunteering" but sometimes feeling pressured by one factor or another to join up.
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