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Post by Lola m on Apr 11, 2009 23:51:07 GMT -5
Imprint: Victor Roger. This must be the persona for Lonelyhearts. OK, now I'm confused about the order of these segments. This must be Miss Lonelyhearts. And Victor goes off mission? WHOA. He went to Adelle. Does this mean that Adelle is the mole? Or... maybe not and the losing the cellphone thing part of the subversive program. And does this mean that "Miss Lonelyhearts" was always Adelle? And wasn't there a rule about employees fraternizing with the dolls? And is it any better or worse doing it to a programmed doll or an unprogrammed one? Fencing! Ha! I'm getting Smallville flashbacks all of a sudden. Victor as the most real person Adelle has ever met. Shades of Truman Show. Real relationships are about hiding, hiding, hiding. Victor's handler would have to be in on this subterfuge too, right? And what about the older woman that Victor gave the flowers to? Adelle feels the pangs of conscience? Or... grief? I thought the Adele/Victor scenes were lovely and sad and a wonderful glimpse into what a powerful woman would want from a partner: an equal in every way who treats her as an equal in every way. And then it really sunk in for her how very very much she was deluding herself about the reality of buying time with a Doll.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 11, 2009 23:54:09 GMT -5
Really sorry to see Reed Diamond go. He's one of those actors who I don't think is having the career he deserves. But they weren't really doing anything with him besides have him look stern. I loved his ability to play twisted depth in his HLoTS days, so I sympathize. I wonder if there is really no hope of seeing him again. I mean, she did have his memories/personality put into storage in their files, so . . .
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Post by Vlad on Apr 12, 2009 10:35:32 GMT -5
Hello, Agent S'cubie. There has been some delay from HQ and we had to go black. Sabotage is suspected. However, we are back online after some scrambling by our tech crew. Congratulations on having survived until now. Mission Briefing: The agent codenamed: ERIN has written her third and fourth review of dollhouse. Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to delve into the S'cubie website and download the data, identities: STAGE FRIGHT: Rapidly Becoming Text and Grey Hour: No Blue Skies Ahead. This is a highly complex double mission and each target should be acquired in sequential order. Failure to do so could result in spoiling the information. As always, should you be captured, the S3 will disavow any knowledge or connection with you. Good luck, Agent S'cubie. This post will self-destruct in 5 seconds. Vlad
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Post by KMInfinity on Apr 12, 2009 21:36:22 GMT -5
Damn! This is One. Hell. Of. An. Ep! Hell, yeah.
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Post by Sue on Apr 13, 2009 5:34:37 GMT -5
What was the exact quote about not letting the activesevery hire out as submissives? Yeah, because it's not like they want the dolls to be anything BUT totally submissive.
For all the talk of irony in this episode, I found that to be, by far, the most ironic line of the show.
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Post by Sharky on Apr 13, 2009 14:50:45 GMT -5
So, my question, Is the Dollhouse evil? Echo saw it as worth saving. I'm not sure Joss isn't setting us all up for the moment when we realize we don't want the Dollhouse to fall.
What is the purpose, indeed...
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Post by Rachael on Apr 13, 2009 17:00:14 GMT -5
So, Dave's theory: the ultimate goal of the Dollhouse is immortality - to be able to take your mind and imprint it on a replacement brain/body, so you could live forever. And that despite their obvious successes with imprints, they're also not there yet. They use the revenue from the Dollhouses to fund research to further their ultimate project. Maybe. I admit I'm already halfway to believing the Dollhouse is, if not a benevolent agency, then at least one that's much grayer than we've been led to believe for the first many weeks. Adele really seems to believe in her work, and, as Sharky says, Echo seems to see value in it, as well.
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Post by Sharky on Apr 13, 2009 17:17:16 GMT -5
So, Dave's theory: the ultimate goal of the Dollhouse is immortality - to be able to take your mind and imprint it on a replacement brain/body, so you could live forever. And that despite their obvious successes with imprints, they're also not there yet. They use the revenue from the Dollhouses to fund research to further their ultimate project. Maybe. I admit I'm already halfway to believing the Dollhouse is, if not a benevolent agency, then at least one that's much grayer than we've been led to believe for the first many weeks. Adele really seems to believe in her work, and, as Sharky says, Echo seems to see value in it, as well. Good one. I was thinking something apocalyptic, a foreseen ending of civilization that would require humanity to reboot. The Dollhouse organization would be gathering imprints to prepare for a world in dire need of specialized skills. And, I find myself wondering if the wipe process used on the Actives is a wipe, or a transfer? Aren't the experiences gained by the Actives worth saving, too?
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Post by Lola m on Apr 13, 2009 21:45:42 GMT -5
So, my question, Is the Dollhouse evil? Echo saw it as worth saving. I'm not sure Joss isn't setting us all up for the moment when we realize we don't want the Dollhouse to fall. What is the purpose, indeed... I'm thinking it's gonna at least be some serious gray area time. Perhaps an ultimately noble underlying purpose with lots of "how do you balance bad things done in the name of supposed good" stuff? Which would be a continuation on that theme from Angel, now that I think of it . . .
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Post by Lola m on Apr 13, 2009 21:57:54 GMT -5
So, Dave's theory: the ultimate goal of the Dollhouse is immortality - to be able to take your mind and imprint it on a replacement brain/body, so you could live forever. And that despite their obvious successes with imprints, they're also not there yet. They use the revenue from the Dollhouses to fund research to further their ultimate project. Maybe. I admit I'm already halfway to believing the Dollhouse is, if not a benevolent agency, then at least one that's much grayer than we've been led to believe for the first many weeks. Adele really seems to believe in her work, and, as Sharky says, Echo seems to see value in it, as well. Good one. I was thinking something apocalyptic, a foreseen ending of civilization that would require humanity to reboot. The Dollhouse organization would be gathering imprints to prepare for a world in dire need of specialized skills. Both of these are very intriguing theories. How about memory/personality recording as a way to travel to the stars? Eliminate pesky time issues or even download into the ship directly! Yes! This! And then, the stored personality must assimilate those experiences as their own, right? It seemed like Victor remembered the other times he had been with Adelle, so . . . And if the stored personalities / memories continue to accrue new memories, if they learn and grow each time they are put into an active, well, then, aren't they people too? Or people still?
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Post by leftylady on Apr 14, 2009 18:31:19 GMT -5
Haven't had the chance to read anyone's comments yet. I'm way behind in my watching much less posting.
Another stellar episode. Why couldn't Fox let Whedon-be-Whedon from the start? DH has gone from interesting to can't wait to see what happens next.
Loved Adele's line about "cake". Tres Whedon.
leftylady
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Post by Lola m on Apr 15, 2009 19:53:31 GMT -5
What was the exact quote about not letting the activesevery hire out as submissives? Yeah, because it's not like they want the dolls to be anything BUT totally submissive. For all the talk of irony in this episode, I found that to be, by far, the most ironic line of the show. Can't believe I missed this comment. Because, Yes!!
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Post by Lola m on Apr 15, 2009 19:56:45 GMT -5
Haven't had the chance to read anyone's comments yet. I'm way behind in my watching much less posting. Another stellar episode. Why couldn't Fox let Whedon-be-Whedon from the start? DH has gone from interesting to can't wait to see what happens next. Me too! I saved all the eps since the sixth one on my DVR and I'm re-watching them this week since we have no new ep. She ofen has the best lines.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 16, 2009 17:49:07 GMT -5
So, Dave's theory: the ultimate goal of the Dollhouse is immortality - to be able to take your mind and imprint it on a replacement brain/body, so you could live forever. And that despite their obvious successes with imprints, they're also not there yet. They use the revenue from the Dollhouses to fund research to further their ultimate project. Maybe. I admit I'm already halfway to believing the Dollhouse is, if not a benevolent agency, then at least one that's much grayer than we've been led to believe for the first many weeks. Adele really seems to believe in her work, and, as Sharky says, Echo seems to see value in it, as well. It wouldn't surprise me. It definitely seems like the show is being set up for a reveal of this kind. The immortality theory is definitely intriguing.
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