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May 7, 2011 9:45:26 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 7, 2011 9:45:26 GMT -5
If I had to venture a guess - it'll be the two Olivias who work things out, because both of them wanted to fix things. I'll bet the Observers didn't plan on the baby, either, and maybe that will make the difference. But that's just a guess. What a ride. Sorry, tired, incoherent. Well, I'm hoping Peter is "re-created" perhaps via something similar to the situation in the final episode of last season's Dr. Who -- after all, there is some of Peter's rather non-imaginary DNA in that kid. [How can a "fictional" person create a baby?] Lived up to the promos/spoilers rather spectacularly in that they killed off BOTH main characters in one episode. I knew Walternate was after Olivia but I still gasped at the immediacy and cold-bloodedness. And, well, at the moment it's pretty much the death of everyone unless they fix things. But I love that there is a chance for both universes to survive. I am a sucker for a happy ending. Maybe now the 2 different other Fringe guys (Bolivia's current boss) will also get to meet. So Peter could get every other weekend visitation rights to his alt-U son? The one detail that rang false to me was Broyles going into politics. Oh, and, none of them really seemed to have aged 15 years. And, didn't it seem like Walter had maybe had a stroke? His one arm seemed useless and he held his mouth funny. But -- great story telling and writing -- clear, concise, easy to follow, not boring (this seems to be the singular most important characteristic for me at the moment). Morning-after-thoughts: John Noble soooo deserves an Emmy. I also have suspicions that somebody's been watching Doctor Who, not that that's necessarily a bad thing. And are Viking funerals all the rage this season? The Observers all standing on the lawn watching reminded me of a flock of pigeons. Disgusting birds, they are. I have an idea - our Olivia a) has a photographic memory b) appears to have some interesting abilities - telekinesis and being able to travel between worlds being two of them, and possibly others we haven't seen used yet. c) has had bits of other peoples' consciousnesses in her head before (ie, her partner/lover, William Bell, and for that matter, Peter when she was trapped on the other side) So what if the soul magnets earlier this season will turn out to be important in getting Peter back? Maybe Olivia's got Peter inside her head, and doesn't know it yet. At least we know the show has been renewed. It's going to be a long summer.
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Fringe
Sept 24, 2011 12:05:47 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Sept 24, 2011 12:05:47 GMT -5
Good stuff. Always interesting.
We seem to be in another alternate present caused by changes to the past and the absence of Peter in the backstory.
Sorry Joe Flannigan had such a short spot.
Maybe it is just because they've had 3 years to get it together and I know the characters and their quirks but it just seemed like in comparison to some of the writing I've been watching in the past 2 weeks (I"m looking at you Ringer) this was far superior.
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Fringe
Sept 24, 2011 22:51:42 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Sept 24, 2011 22:51:42 GMT -5
Good stuff. Always interesting. We seem to be in another alternate present caused by changes to the past and the absence of Peter in the backstory. Sorry Joe Flannigan had such a short spot. Maybe it is just because they've had 3 years to get it together and I know the characters and their quirks but it just seemed like in comparison to some of the writing I've been watching in the past 2 weeks (I"m looking at you Ringer) this was far superior. Oh, yeah, that was good. The writing was outstanding and the acting was sublime, especially Walter and Olivia and Bolivia. I got sniffly over Olivia saying she'd always felt like there was a hole in her life. So, it looks like I was wrong - there's no mysterious baby, because Peter never existed, or at least never lived to grow up. Which begs the question of why Walter crossed into the alternate universe, then. I'm fine with being wrong; it actually makes more sense that Walter will be the one who remembers Peter, because Walter's grasp on reality is tenuous at the best of times. Is it just me, or was the Observer not erasing Peter from reality like he was told to? It's interesting that after the Observer was dinking around outside Walter's window, Walter had another vision of "that man" reflected in his TV screen. Perhaps we have a rogue Observer trying to bring Peter back. This is going to be quite an interesting season...
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Sept 25, 2011 19:50:04 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Sept 25, 2011 19:50:04 GMT -5
Good stuff. Always interesting. We seem to be in another alternate present caused by changes to the past and the absence of Peter in the backstory. Sorry Joe Flannigan had such a short spot. Maybe it is just because they've had 3 years to get it together and I know the characters and their quirks but it just seemed like in comparison to some of the writing I've been watching in the past 2 weeks (I"m looking at you Ringer) this was far superior. Oh, yeah, that was good. The writing was outstanding and the acting was sublime, especially Walter and Olivia and Bolivia. I got sniffly over Olivia saying she'd always felt like there was a hole in her life. So, it looks like I was wrong - there's no mysterious baby, because Peter never existed, or at least never lived to grow up. Which begs the question of why Walter crossed into the alternate universe, then. I'm fine with being wrong; it actually makes more sense that Walter will be the one who remembers Peter, because Walter's grasp on reality is tenuous at the best of times. Is it just me, or was the Observer not erasing Peter from reality like he was told to? It's interesting that after the Observer was dinking around outside Walter's window, Walter had another vision of "that man" reflected in his TV screen. Perhaps we have a rogue Observer trying to bring Peter back. This is going to be quite an interesting season... Yes, the observer is definitely going against his orders. And to think I wasn't a fan initially of Anna Torv. She does a MOST excellent job of playing 2 entirely different identical women.
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Fringe
Oct 15, 2011 22:09:41 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 15, 2011 22:09:41 GMT -5
Two weeks? We have to wait TWO WEEKS? Gaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aside from that, good episode, and I find interesting what things they know and don't know since Peter's been erased, although I can't call most of them to mind right now - apparently the whole experiments-on-children thing has been revealed but none of them have made contact with each other, and how long has Nina known Olivia in this version of the universe? Because she was joking about Olivia going to the prom, and that was certainly unexpected. Also poor Walter is really not doing well without Peter to anchor him. So, we have Peter back, our rogue Observer seems to be just fine with that. Should get interesting, in two weeks, grrrrrr.
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Fringe
Feb 2, 2012 9:31:12 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Feb 2, 2012 9:31:12 GMT -5
Not that I'm not enjoying the current season of Fringe, BUT I'd like to see Peter get home and what happens there. Especially if this turns out to be the final season. It's almost like they know how they will send him back and have the machine/merging of the 2 (original) universes fix everything and it all be "wrapped up" so this is a delaying action until they find out how much longer they have.
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Apr 7, 2012 8:51:38 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Apr 7, 2012 8:51:38 GMT -5
Lincoln-centric ep so very very well done. Loved the exploration of what makes us unique in spite of totally similar backgrounds -- leading to Linc#1's realizing that he had to "seize the day." Like FauxOlivia very much in this "reset" where the universes are working together.
Thought: regarding the Observer's comment to Olivia that in all possible universes she "had to die" -- could that simply be a reference to the fact the the self from a non-Peter universe had to be erased and revert to the self who knew Peter? Is that a stretch?
If Peter is such an influence that Olivia has been reverted to "his" Olivia. Or, if I understand correctly, this really is his universe which was changed by his "never having existed" but he is somehow pulled back out of the ether by the incredible connection/latent memories of Olivia and Walter (do I understand that correctly?) would one expect Walter to start reverting to Peter-influenced Walter, etc?
Very confusing and it's possible that all the explanations will never line up completely but still very entertaining.
Nina does nothing for me as a character though.
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Fringe
Apr 17, 2012 11:55:23 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Apr 17, 2012 11:55:23 GMT -5
Interesting that after all the bad stuff in earlier seasons this year everything is getting better due to the bridge. I'm glad Broyles turned himself in and that plotline has been resolved. FauxOlivia has been thru a lot recently. In this reset of Peter being erased (except in Olivia's revived memories) did was real Olivia taken prisoner in the alt-verse and impersonated by FauxO or is that entire plotline dead?
And, YOWZA on the preview for next week. That kind of came of of nowhere didn't it? They sure can shake things up.
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Apr 21, 2012 22:30:55 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Apr 21, 2012 22:30:55 GMT -5
Four universes plus at least two possible futures... I think my brain just exploded. I love it. Also, Walter quoting The Prisoner and Obi wan, hee. Also, partway through the episode, I remarked that the writers had rather Godwinned the show, hadn't they. The Younger Daughter snortled. The Husband had to have it explained. Also and too, it does look, sadly, like Olivia winds up dead again. Sigh...
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Apr 27, 2012 9:03:03 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Apr 27, 2012 9:03:03 GMT -5
Four universes plus at least two possible futures... I think my brain just exploded. I love it. Also, Walter quoting The Prisoner and Obi wan, hee. Also, partway through the episode, I remarked that the writers had rather Godwinned the show, hadn't they. The Younger Daughter snortled. The Husband had to have it explained. Also and too, it does look, sadly, like Olivia winds up dead again. Sigh... I need a good overview of all the possibilities as my brain doesn't retain them all. Re Olivia's death --- when the Observer said something about seeing many futures and in all of them, Olivia "must?" die ? Was he perhaps saying in all futures preferred by the Observers, where they take control, it is a requirement of their success that Olivia die. Perhaps there are futures in which she does not die but those are not futures acceptable to the Observers? (so, good for humankind?) The Observers ruined the earth in 2600? Are then they humans from the future? And -- how do they procreate with no women? Is this a political commentary on the ascendancy of the middle-aged white male and the result of their dominance? Names - "Rick" as the owner of the bar where the resistance meets. [shoot, I should have written this down while watching, I may havae to re-watch] Etta's last name -- what was it? seemed to have significance to me. They made no mention of the alternate universe in this future, or did I miss it?
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Apr 29, 2012 19:10:05 GMT -5
Post by Sue on Apr 29, 2012 19:10:05 GMT -5
Four universes plus at least two possible futures... I think my brain just exploded. I love it. Also, Walter quoting The Prisoner and Obi wan, hee. Also, partway through the episode, I remarked that the writers had rather Godwinned the show, hadn't they. The Younger Daughter snortled. The Husband had to have it explained. Also and too, it does look, sadly, like Olivia winds up dead again. Sigh... I need a good overview of all the possibilities as my brain doesn't retain them all. Re Olivia's death --- when the Observer said something about seeing many futures and in all of them, Olivia "must?" die ? Was he perhaps saying in all futures preferred by the Observers, where they take control, it is a requirement of their success that Olivia die. Perhaps there are futures in which she does not die but those are not futures acceptable to the Observers? (so, good for humankind?) The Observers ruined the earth in 2600? Are then they humans from the future? And -- how do they procreate with no women? Is this a political commentary on the ascendancy of the middle-aged white male and the result of their dominance? Names - "Rick" as the owner of the bar where the resistance meets. [shoot, I should have written this down while watching, I may havae to re-watch] Etta's last name -- what was it? seemed to have significance to me. They made no mention of the alternate universe in this future, or did I miss it? Starting at the bottom and working up: Maybe no mention was made of the alt-u because they had closed the bridge? Walter says the bad guys want to genetically engineer a new species. Maybe that's who the Observers are? And they go back to "observe" but also to make sure nothing changes so their future is ensured (was just reading a library book title "The Revisionists" with sort of this premise). Imdb says Etta's last name was Bishop but I think someone referred to her by a different last name. Simon is a named very linked to Peter. (Henry Ian Cusik makes acting look effortless.)
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May 5, 2012 21:46:15 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 5, 2012 21:46:15 GMT -5
Whoa. Also, yikes. Also, oh no!
I guessed that Bell was involved shortly before it was revealed (nice bit with the laugh from the figure in the shadows). But I was not expecting Astrid to get shot, although she sure did get to kick ass first. I hope she's okay, but it doesn't look good. I was really afraid that either Peter or Olivia would be the one to get hurt or killed, because the writers were being far too nice to them, so Astrid came as a real shock.
Next week is the season finale, and it looks like a real nail-biter.
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May 6, 2012 22:49:13 GMT -5
Post by Sue on May 6, 2012 22:49:13 GMT -5
Whoa. Also, yikes. Also, oh no! I guessed that Bell was involved shortly before it was revealed (nice bit with the laugh from the figure in the shadows). But I was not expecting Astrid to get shot, although she sure did get to kick ass first. I hope she's okay, but it doesn't look good. I was really afraid that either Peter or Olivia would be the one to get hurt or killed, because the writers were being far too nice to them, so Astrid came as a real shock. Next week is the season finale, and it looks like a real nail-biter. I am given some hope because there was that bit with the thing that healed up -- I'm guessing William Bell promises to heal Astrid in return for some kind of cooperation from Walter (the BISHOP). And Olivia is certainly approaching super-hero (improved human) status.
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May 12, 2012 22:30:19 GMT -5
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 12, 2012 22:30:19 GMT -5
Squeeage over the season finale which could have been a series finale:
Big "whew!" over Astrid, and "awwww" when Astrid pulled out that bag of red liquorice and Walter called her by her real name.
As for the Observer telling Olivia that in all the universes, she has to die...
They pulled a Buffy! THEY PULLED A BUFFY! The prophecy said she had to die, and die she did, but the prophecy didn't take into consideration advances in science in that universe, not to mention Walter Bishop. I'd call it a perfect storm - the right version of Walter and brave enough (and crazy enough) to do what had to be done, the right Olivia getting the right dose of cortexiphan, Peter, it all worked. "I was only gone for a minute." *snicker*
And our Olivia is pregnant, and we get another season to wrap things up. Not to mention that Bell is still out there somewhere... It's going to be a very long summer.
Anne, rather incoherent, squeee
ETA: However, "Stasis Runes"? Seriously, did we cross over into Middle Earth?
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Fringe
May 13, 2012 19:08:04 GMT -5
Post by Sue on May 13, 2012 19:08:04 GMT -5
Squeeage over the season finale which could have been a series finale: Big "whew!" over Astrid, and "awwww" when Astrid pulled out that bag of red liquorice and Walter called her by her real name. As for the Observer telling Olivia that in all the universes, she has to die... They pulled a Buffy! THEY PULLED A BUFFY! The prophecy said she had to die, and die she did, but the prophecy didn't take into consideration advances in science in that universe, not to mention Walter Bishop. I'd call it a perfect storm - the right version of Walter and brave enough (and crazy enough) to do what had to be done, the right Olivia getting the right dose of cortexiphan, Peter, it all worked. "I was only gone for a minute." *snicker* And our Olivia is pregnant, and we get another season to wrap things up. Not to mention that Bell is still out there somewhere... It's going to be a very long summer. Anne, rather incoherent, squeee ETA: However, "Stasis Runes"? Seriously, did we cross over into Middle Earth? Agree with all. Really, they did a pretty decent job of wrapping it all up for a series finale. Quick but neat, even taking away (probably) her super powers (which concerned me greatly). So good that I'm almost worried about re-opening a can worms and then having to re-tie it up again. [Also agree re the runes -- my thought was "when did we wander onto the Supernatural set?"] Incredible that Walter had the guts to shot her like that. [Still a bit sad that this Walter doesn't have all the memories of Peter's childhood but you can't have everything.] They really did think this was the end, didn't they. Broyles, Nina, everything.
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