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Post by RAKSHA on Mar 3, 2010 1:25:58 GMT -5
I fell asleep during part of the show; so I don't know exactly how Smokey-Locke corrupted Sayid , but the last few minutes were horrifically brilliant.
It was hard for me to believe Dogen's line that the torture of Sayid (and presumably Claire) was actually a Good/Evil detection process/scale.
And how was Dogen the only one keeping Smokey outside the temple?
What ever happened to Smokey's original physical body, the one we saw him in when he was chatting with Jacob on the beach in the flashback at the end of last season?
Kudos to the acting chops though - who'dda thunk that cute l'il Emilie de Ravin had such Major Darkness/Scariness in her . And I'm not talking about the Wig of Doom. Not to mention Naveen; doing his usual fine job as Sayid.
I'm not sure if Kate has been corrupted by Smokey or just came along to try to save Claire. It is interesting that Smokey-in-Smoke-mode passed her over; it was fully capable of destroying her and she was physically visible.
Kind of sad that Jacob didn't make any effort to save all his devoted followers in the temple after assuring the survival of Hurley and Jack.
Gail
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Post by Sara on Mar 3, 2010 10:05:26 GMT -5
So, Sayid told Smokey that the only thing he ever loved died in his arms. Between what happened in this Sayid's past and what was going on in the sideways story, I presumed he meant Nadia. But as I got ready for bed, it occurred to me that his description also applied to Shannon's death. I mean, for crashverse Sayid Nadia's death is the more recent of the two and all, but it is curious that he didn't just say "when Nadia died in my arms," yes?
Anyway, just a thought.
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Post by Karen on Mar 3, 2010 11:44:53 GMT -5
So, Sayid told Smokey that the only thing he ever loved died in his arms. Between what happened in this Sayid's past and what was going on in the sideways story, I presumed he meant Nadia. But as I got ready for bed, it occurred to me that his description also applied to Shannon's death. I mean, for crashverse Sayid Nadia's death is the more recent of the two and all, but it is curious that he didn't just say "when Nadia died in my arms," yes? Anyway, just a thought. I do like that thought, and if Shannon shows up, we'll know you were right. But will Sayid believe he deserves her after all he did?
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Post by Karen on Mar 3, 2010 11:47:07 GMT -5
Smocke might be keeping Kate around to use as leverage in getting Sawyer to toe the line. Where has Sawyer been? I've missed him the last two episodes.
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Post by Sara on Mar 3, 2010 11:56:25 GMT -5
So, Sayid told Smokey that the only thing he ever loved died in his arms. Between what happened in this Sayid's past and what was going on in the sideways story, I presumed he meant Nadia. But as I got ready for bed, it occurred to me that his description also applied to Shannon's death. I mean, for crashverse Sayid Nadia's death is the more recent of the two and all, but it is curious that he didn't just say "when Nadia died in my arms," yes? Anyway, just a thought. I do like that thought, and if Shannon shows up, we'll know you were right. But will Sayid believe he deserves her after all he did? Someone commenting about last night's ep on a blog I read also realized the Nadia/Shannon thing, but they wondered if it meant that while Sayid was referring to Nadia that Smokey would take advantage of Sayid's vagueness and fulfill the terms of Sayid's wish by bringing back Shannon instead.
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Post by Sue on Mar 4, 2010 11:39:02 GMT -5
I've missed not only episodes but entire seasons, but has the smoke monster ever killed any of the "chosen" passengers? (And by that I guess I mean those we know were watched by Jacob and given numbers (from the degrees on the magic mirror of long distance viewing, yes?) which apparently does not include everyone who has wound up on the island.) Are they exempt?
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Post by Sue on Mar 4, 2010 11:51:05 GMT -5
So, we've established that I am far, far from being a hardcore Lostie so it may not come as a surprise that I'm actually enjoying (almost more than the confusing and convoluted island story) the alternate story-lines.
It has raised a question, though. Probably an irrelevant question, but still:
Island time-line, which has been mightily screwed with but now seems to be back on "track." Show has been going on for 5 years but real time on island is probably? less than that? No matter.
Plane lands safely time-line: Would seem to be set (at least initially), if not 5 years, at least some period of time earlier because we pick up the characters at the end of the flight. But that's okay, makes sense that we would be shown how their paths diverge if the crash never happened. Some things appear to be very much the same:
Charlie is junkie Kate is in custody Sun and Jin on their trip Jack hunting for Dad's missing body (interesting that, in alternate timeline why hasn't dad's body made it home with Jack and where is it?) Claire pregnant Jack apparently divorced from Julie Bowen.
BUT the changes are not just a split off from the time the flight lands, rather than crashing. The changes reach back into their lives prior to even going to Australia -- well, for some but not others.
Kate and Claire, not so much. But Jack has a son -- about, what 10-12? Sayid's ex has pre-teen kids Locke is with gf. Hurley? -- never went to psych hosp Sawyer? -mostly same (Sorry, poor memory).
I'm not making any point or even asking any questions.
Just an observation.
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Post by Sara on Mar 5, 2010 10:08:25 GMT -5
So, we've established that I am far, far from being a hardcore Lostie so it may not come as a surprise that I'm actually enjoying (almost more than the confusing and convoluted island story) the alternate story-lines. It has raised a question, though. Probably an irrelevant question, but still: Island time-line, which has been mightily screwed with but now seems to be back on "track." Show has been going on for 5 years but real time on island is probably? less than that? No matter. Plane lands safely time-line: Would seem to be set (at least initially), if not 5 years, at least some period of time earlier because we pick up the characters at the end of the flight. But that's okay, makes sense that we would be shown how their paths diverge if the crash never happened. Some things appear to be very much the same: Charlie is junkie Kate is in custody Sun and Jin on their trip Jack hunting for Dad's missing body (interesting that, in alternate timeline why hasn't dad's body made it home with Jack and where is it?) Claire pregnant Jack apparently divorced from Julie Bowen. BUT the changes are not just a split off from the time the flight lands, rather than crashing. The changes reach back into their lives prior to even going to Australia -- well, for some but not others. Kate and Claire, not so much. But Jack has a son -- about, what 10-12? Sayid's ex has pre-teen kids Locke is with gf. Hurley? -- never went to psych hosp Sawyer? -mostly same (Sorry, poor memory). I'm not making any point or even asking any questions. Just an observation. I know you weren't technically asking, but it's my understanding that the events in the crash 'verse are taking place in 2007. Mostly because last season when they switched between Sawyer, Juliet, and the Dharma compound action and what was going on with the Oceanic 6 we saw the tag "30 years ago" and Sawyer told Jack, Kate, and Hurley it was 1977 when they showed up. And I just realized that if I'm right and they did board Ajira 312 in 2007, this means that Jack missed seeing the Red Sox win the World Series AGAIN.
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Post by Karen on Mar 5, 2010 15:17:54 GMT -5
So, we've established that I am far, far from being a hardcore Lostie so it may not come as a surprise that I'm actually enjoying (almost more than the confusing and convoluted island story) the alternate story-lines. It has raised a question, though. Probably an irrelevant question, but still: Island time-line, which has been mightily screwed with but now seems to be back on "track." Show has been going on for 5 years but real time on island is probably? less than that? No matter. Plane lands safely time-line: Would seem to be set (at least initially), if not 5 years, at least some period of time earlier because we pick up the characters at the end of the flight. But that's okay, makes sense that we would be shown how their paths diverge if the crash never happened. Some things appear to be very much the same: Charlie is junkie Kate is in custody Sun and Jin on their trip Jack hunting for Dad's missing body (interesting that, in alternate timeline why hasn't dad's body made it home with Jack and where is it?) Claire pregnant Jack apparently divorced from Julie Bowen. BUT the changes are not just a split off from the time the flight lands, rather than crashing. The changes reach back into their lives prior to even going to Australia -- well, for some but not others. Kate and Claire, not so much. But Jack has a son -- about, what 10-12? Sayid's ex has pre-teen kids Locke is with gf. Hurley? -- never went to psych hosp Sawyer? -mostly same (Sorry, poor memory). I'm not making any point or even asking any questions. Just an observation. I know you weren't technically asking, but it's my understanding that the events in the crash 'verse are taking place in 2007. Mostly because last season when they switched between Sawyer, Juliet, and the Dharma compound action and what was going on with the Oceanic 6 we saw the tag "30 years ago" and Sawyer told Jack, Kate, and Hurley it was 1977 when they showed up. And I just realized that if I'm right and they did board Ajira 312 in 2007, this means that Jack missed seeing the Red Sox win the World Series AGAIN. Ha! I wondered about that when the Sox were mentioned in last week's ep.
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Post by Karen on Mar 5, 2010 15:24:28 GMT -5
I've missed not only episodes but entire seasons, but has the smoke monster ever killed any of the "chosen" passengers? (And by that I guess I mean those we know were watched by Jacob and given numbers (from the degrees on the magic mirror of long distance viewing, yes?) which apparently does not include everyone who has wound up on the island.) Are they exempt? That's what I thought - rules of the game exempt the 'pieces' of the board from being just 'killed or removed' by the players. Maybe there are players of the games, bystanders supporting the players, and the pieces of the games being manipulated into making moves that block, claim or move other pieces. ETA: Dogen could have been one of those pieces that 'guard' territories/other pieces by default and can only be removed by only certain other pieces in a certain way. Like in chess.
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Post by leftylady on Mar 5, 2010 18:04:11 GMT -5
I do like that thought, and if Shannon shows up, we'll know you were right. But will Sayid believe he deserves her after all he did? Someone commenting about last night's ep on a blog I read also realized the Nadia/Shannon thing, but they wondered if it meant that while Sayid was referring to Nadia that Smokey would take advantage of Sayid's vagueness and fulfill the terms of Sayid's wish by bringing back Shannon instead. So you're expecting the old "Leah for Rachel" switcheroo? Good way to extend servitude. Except in this story it's the anti-Jacob involved. leftylady
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 22, 2010 19:10:52 GMT -5
Yay Sayid episode!!!!
Teaser
LA.
Sayid/Nadia reunion!!!
Uncle Sayid?
Nadia married Sayid's brother. Sayid's brother who...I totally forget that plotline.
Sayid works for an oil company in this reality.
Oh, methinks this is a *very complicated* family dynamic
Back in the Temple.
Sayid. Still sexy.
Sayid confronts Drogan. Sexily. I think it's the wifebeater.
Good vs Evil. Machine tells you how the scales are balanced in a person. But it doesn't tell you whether a person can overcome the worser angels of their nature.
Fight, fight, fight!!!!
No, not the baseball!!!
Meanwhile, outside the temple. Claire and NotLocke.
Claire seems rather coherent here. Sane and manipulated rather than evil and crazy.
NotLocke will only hurt the one's who won't listen. OK, then.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 22, 2010 19:17:44 GMT -5
Part I
Back in LA.
Scary music.
Why do I think that Sayid is actually not working for an oil company?
OK, that that part of Sayid's history is the same in this reality.
Back in the Temple.
I wonder if The Others ever wonder if they had been more compassionate towards the "infected ones" rather than kicking them out that things might have turned out better.
Sayid was dead for 2 hours.
Claire returns.
Hari Kari time?
NotLocke is evil incarnate.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 22, 2010 19:24:52 GMT -5
Part II Back in LA. Sayid's off to Toronto. Oh no, the loan sharks got to Sayid's brother. Back on the island. OMG, Kate is the first person Sayid runs into. I'm at the concept of Kate being evil incarnate. Poor Miles. Everyone else is running off to have adventures in the jungle, and he's left to play solitaire by himself. I thought about going after him too, but then I just imagined him berating me until I turned around and came back. Ha! Claire was acting all weird; still hot though. Hee! Back in the jungle. The Smoke Monster cometh. And stabbing NotLocke didn't work. WTF? We can't believe anything any character says on this show. Ever.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 22, 2010 19:34:42 GMT -5
Part III
NotLocke digs his claws into Sayid.
Back in LA.
Sayid can repair vases. Is there anything he can't do?
So did Sayid unload a can of whoopass on the loan sharks or not?
Sayid feels he doesn't deserve to be with Nadia in this reality.
Back in the Temple.
Jacob is dead. The Others have been "freed." NotLocke is leaving the island at sundown. Those who stay behind die.
Kate and Claire reunion.
Ah, this is the hole. Like in Silence of the Lambs.
Uh oh, watch your back Kate.
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