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Post by Queen E on Jun 3, 2011 21:32:56 GMT -5
And here we come to the end of part 1 of the season...
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Jun 4, 2011 14:14:50 GMT -5
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Jun 11, 2011 23:06:19 GMT -5
First of all, SQUEEE! Rory the Big Damn Hero! SQUEEEEE!
After that, it was squees and jawdrops and, well, we all think we'll have to watch that one again. Several times.
Further thoughts: Yes, the Doctor is heading the wrong way morally, and somebody needs to bring him back to himself again, before he goes the way of the Master.
I hope that finding out who River Song is (squeee! *jawdrop*) doesn't mean that Amy and Rory will never see their baby girl again. Nothing, even meeting her all grown up, would ever make up for that.
Apparently running away with strange raggedy men (or the same raggedy man) runs in the Pond family.
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Post by Queen E on Jun 12, 2011 20:38:51 GMT -5
Not reading any comments yet, as I have only watched the first ten minutes, but am wondering at "Melody Pond." Sounds like "River Song."
Could be a trick, though, to throw off the viewer.
Back later!
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Post by Queen E on Jun 13, 2011 0:30:49 GMT -5
Hmm. I do enjoy being right, although that one was a bit of an easy call.
Thinking though...in the new series, it seems that every time the Doctor has denied his "human-ness" and started going the Time Lord Triumphant route, the Master has appeared. In series three, when he became all cold and distant after the loss of Rose and utterly destroyed the Racnoss, that was the first mention of Howard Saxon. Then again after "Waters of Mars," when he gave Adelle that speech, boom! The Master appears again. I like how they play him as the Doctor's shadow...and it makes me wonder if he'll appear again in some form or another at this point...
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Jun 13, 2011 11:39:07 GMT -5
re: Master *lives in hope*
but I think part of the Doctor's current problem is an unexamined assumption that if you're not the Master you're doing okay. there's a long long long drop between not-okay and The Master.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Jun 13, 2011 12:46:40 GMT -5
I think we need a futile speculation thread for this show... lacking that, I'm going to throw a few thoughts out here before my head explodes. FYI, when I say "saw", it only means that we were shown something, and I have no idea whether it'll turn out to be true or not, because, after all, history can be rewritten: Last season, we saw an alliance of many races intended to stop the Doctor before he destroyed the universe. We still don't know if they were right or not. We were told that River Song killed a man, the best man she'd ever known, and that she has, apparently, an intimate, long-term relationship with the Doctor. This season, we saw: 1. The Doctor killed, apparently permanently, by someone in a spacesuit. 2. A little girl trapped in an identical spacesuit. 3. A little girl, apparently the same one, apparently regenerating. 4. Biotechnology that can duplicate someone down to their deepest thoughts and memories. And we were told that: 1. The Doctor has/will become something to fear, so much so that an army is being raised against him (sounds like The Master to me). We have also seen him, over the course of both seasons, turning from peaceful to violent solutions. The anger Nine had is still there; it had just been suppressed, and now it's starting to erupt again. 2. Amy and Rory's daughter, who has in her DNA something similar to that of the Timelords, has been abducted so that she can be brought up as a weapon to bring the Doctor down. 3. River Song is Amy and Rory's daughter. So River could be the little girl who was in the spacesuit, and she shot and killed the Doctor. Given the way she bops in and out of that prison, maybe she put herself there when she realized what she'd done. I dunno. I'm not very good at this. My brain hurts. Also, no amount of knowing that your long-lost daughter will grow up to be River Song is going to make up to Amy and Rory for losing her as a baby. Not to mention the whole weirdness of Melody/River being older than they are. I find the whole story arc sad and disturbing. I'm not going to stop watching; I just hope that things will turn out better than they're looking right now.
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Post by Queen E on Jun 13, 2011 12:55:12 GMT -5
Well, we do have the New Clues thread...which is kind of dedicated to speculation based on available info. Want me to transfer your post there?
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Post by Queen E on Jun 13, 2011 12:56:28 GMT -5
re: Master *lives in hope* but I think part of the Doctor's current problem is an unexamined assumption that if you're not the Master you're doing okay. there's a long long long drop between not-okay and The Master. Oh, I agree. But his very presence puts the Doctor's own behavior in relief....and the longer the Master is absent, the more the Doctor falls down that drop.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Jun 13, 2011 13:36:42 GMT -5
Well, we do have the New Clues thread...which is kind of dedicated to speculation based on available info. Want me to transfer your post there? Thank you, yes! I'd forgotten about that thread. I'm not sure my ravings count, but it's probably better to have them isolated before they start crawling around making trouble... And it occurs to me that I might as well post this comment here, too: The current arc also, now that I think of it, reminds me of the stories of babies being abducted by the fairies - fairies steal baby and leave changeling/doppleganger, child returns years later - except that in this case, instead of the child being the same age and everyone she knew being old and/or dead because no time passes in the fairy world, she's grown up and no time has passed outside, so to speak.
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Post by Lola m on Jun 17, 2011 22:16:29 GMT -5
Demons run when a good man goes to war. Oh, that's a clever bit, that is!!
What a fun rollercoaster ride these last eps were!! What delightful fun scary and surprising bunch of twists and turns.
"Can I borrow your gun?" "Why?" "Cuz I've got a feeling you're gonna keep talking." HA!
"Please. Point a gun at me if it helps you relax." HA!!!!!
Loved all the call-backs, gathering all the folks who "owed one" to the Doctor. And each of them was just delightful, weren't they? DELIGHTFUL!
Loved the "Amelia Pond. Get your coat." moment.
And then the twists and turns and Centurion RoryOMG and the look he gives when he hears the words "you have never risen higher"OMG!
And oh oh oh oh oh River. At the end. "All this, in fear of you." And she's her! She's her!!!
**bounces in happy happy**
What a delightful run this season has been! Hey ho!
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Post by Lola m on Jun 17, 2011 22:19:16 GMT -5
First of all, SQUEEE! Rory the Big Damn Hero! SQUEEEEE! After that, it was squees and jawdrops and, well, we all think we'll have to watch that one again. Several times. Further thoughts: Yes, the Doctor is heading the wrong way morally, and somebody needs to bring him back to himself again, before he goes the way of the Master. I hope that finding out who River Song is (squeee! *jawdrop*) doesn't mean that Amy and Rory will never see their baby girl again. Nothing, even meeting her all grown up, would ever make up for that. Apparently running away with strange raggedy men (or the same raggedy man) runs in the Pond family. Very very squeeful, wasn't it!? I have to think that they will see their baby. Baby River! Heeee!
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Post by Lola m on Jun 17, 2011 22:23:10 GMT -5
Very nice. I liked when you said: And also:
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Post by Lola m on Jun 17, 2011 22:24:31 GMT -5
Hmm. I do enjoy being right, although that one was a bit of an easy call. Thinking though...in the new series, it seems that every time the Doctor has denied his "human-ness" and started going the Time Lord Triumphant route, the Master has appeared. In series three, when he became all cold and distant after the loss of Rose and utterly destroyed the Racnoss, that was the first mention of Howard Saxon. Then again after "Waters of Mars," when he gave Adelle that speech, boom! The Master appears again. I like how they play him as the Doctor's shadow...and it makes me wonder if he'll appear again in some form or another at this point... I like the way you think! From your typing fingers to the writers' brains ...
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Post by Sue on Jun 18, 2011 11:57:59 GMT -5
I need to re-watch before I comment. And -- I find myself reluctant to do so, not sure why.
Major thought is:
If cradle was used to care for Melody Pond because she traveled him/them on the Tardis -- well River can't really show up if Melody is with them because she would be crossing her own time stream, right? But then, we knew River's encounters with The Doctor were winding down anyway, right: when she kissed The Doctor for the first/last time she knew that she wasn't going to see him much longer, right? (That was just her last/his first kiss -- doesn't meant that was their last/first meeting of course.)
And she did say that she "killed the best man I ever knew" so then it WAS Melody Pond (at a different age) in the space-suit who shot The Doctor (who did in fact die. Once again, I don't have a problem with the writers figuring that 1100 years is long enough for him to live and that gives them 200 more years of TV shows BUT having him die as Matt Smith does create an ongoing problem.)
[But that wouldn't be why River was in prison I wouldn't think -- cause the authorities wouldn't know that anyway and besides she was a minor, yada, yada.]
I'm okay with Amy and Rory having to come to grips with the fact that their baby girl has Time-Lord DNA (which is interesting given all the references to "her boys" -- even though she never had sex with The Doctor (despite all the wink-wink false alarm hints) she still did manage to get (sort of) both sets of DNA in her kid) BUT they still need to get the baby back. [Which goes against what little we have seen of her future in the spacesuit (captured by The Silence? why? -- probably because of her Time Lord DNA which was explained when they burned The Doctors unregenerated body -- it was all about how valuable even a smidge of Time Lord DNA was, right?); calling the President, shooting the doctor and then at some other point regenerating while looking homeless on the streets.
I do NOT care for those images to be the future of Amy and Rory's child.
If Amy and Rory leave the Tardis to settle down to a more normal life do we assume future children will be all human as long as she's not in Tardis during the conception/pregnancy? Still -- knowing that you had a child out there growing up under those other circumstances -- tragic.
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