5.2 Just Rewards--The Horror of Helplessness Oct 15, 2003 19:53:50 GMT -5
Post by Pet on Oct 15, 2003 19:53:50 GMT -5
We have to agree to disagree about Spike's telling Angel the plan, Spring. The plan was contingent on Spike's knowing exactly how Hainsley transferred essences. And I see nothing that says he knew that before it was actually happening. Upon consideration, I think Spike improvised the plan on the spot. If Spike had been preparing to take action, take back control of his destiny, in Angel's bedroom, he would have been all energized and eager to get at it. That's not his manner at all. Instead, he's resigned, despairing. This is not a Spike preparing to go into action. This is not definitive--it's just the best reading of all the factors I can give.
Hey Folks. I'm new at this posting stuff and am now delurking to enter this fascinating discussion. Nan, I loved your review. The epi quotes you gave were the one's which also caught my attention. Now, before I run to watch the new epi3, I wanted to say that while Spike did not have the whole plan, planned out, there are indications that he knew Hainsley was the medium (remember when he said he would not be controlled by H and H said he would be until he became corporeal?). Also, don't forget people. Angel knew Spike would turn because at the crucial moment when H's hand was in A's belly, A ground out "Spike", as if to tell him to come on and do it. Of course, Spike enjoyed seeing A suffer, but he had already told A he pulls for the good guys now. Yes, I agree the writers tried to pull a set up, but they gave us so many clues that Spike wasn't a sell out. I also believe that Spike was being sincere in his monologue about everything and everyone he deserves, but his digression into Fred being a "goer" was a clue, because we know he means Buffy is what he deserves. Another clue, Angel telling Wesley that Spike was not one to play well with others, sets the tone for other things Spike will do without fully clueing people in.
I don't think we have to wonder if Spike is "good" or beat that dead redemption horse. Even though Spike said in this epi he was not about "atonement", etc., his every action showed that he felt he should get what the "good guys" get, the heros, not that "other place".
In love this board and you guy's fiction and insights. In the immortal words of Kennedy, "I could get used to this!"