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Post by SpringSummers on Dec 15, 2013 13:04:09 GMT -5
If I may suggest: He may have portrayed it clumsily as "being interested in girly things" but he could have easily have made that character be a boy. So, misogynist only in making a 50/50 choice be a girl rather than a boy. (I mean, he had some strong women in Lucy and Jill and the older woman (professor's friend)). What he was attempting to convey, imo, (and this may get your dander up as well if for different reasons) but he is a Christian apologist and he wanted to have at least one character fall away from belief in Aslan and therefore not (at least not at that time) therefor not reach "heaven." He didn't send her to hell (although I would argue that with the rest of her family dead .... well, that's my personal hell scenario), he just wanted to show that if one turns away from one's belief to making the things of this world paramount in one's life then when the big battle of good vs evil comes you will be (at the very least) side-lined. I never took it as anti-woman myself. And, as a believer I understood the message quite clearly. Not a "threat" -- believe or you will be left behind -- but as a promise that with belief, even in death, you will be transported to Narnia. I'm not suggesting you believe the same, just that maybe Lewis wasn't being actively anti-lipstick, etc. I find this line to be cruelly unfair. First Susan, still a child, of her own choice risks her own life and the lives of her siblings to help a non-human people she doesn't know win their freedom. Along with the others she earns a place as ruler of a kingdom, rules wisely and well for 10 years and then is abruptly tossed back to her former life--which she barely remembers--and is expected to live her childhood and adolesence all over again. It takes her a year or more to re-adjust when she is once more swept up in the politics and wars of her own former kingdom. She puts everything on the line a second time and even begins to fall in love when she is once more kicked out and expected to be a child for what amounts to a third time! Most of us barely survive it only once. She isn't even asked back for the third adventure because she has had the temerity to grow up. Having twice proved her bravery, her maturity and anything else that a person could ask--she then loses her whole family. But is Aslan at all compassionate to all she has contributed, all she risked and all she has lost? No. She is refused Narian resurrection because she has found a way to deal with all she has endured--for them? If this is Lewis' view of Aslan, Christ and Christianity please leave me out of it. I'll stay behind with Susan. Fie, C.S. Fie and be shamed. It's been so long since I read this story I can't comment intelligently on the details, but I did read that Lewis died before writing a Susan of Narnia sequel that was supposed to be about what happened to Susan. I know I never found him harsh, in any reading I did. Have a few more comments I will move to Other Topic.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Dec 15, 2013 22:47:22 GMT -5
Thanks, support is much appreciated. It's the restrictions that are going to be the real problem - no heavy lifting (I asked, "heavy" means nothing over 2 lbs, which means no picking up cats, for starters), no driving, probably no voice for several days minimum and possibly several weeks, which will send Aged Mum into hissyfits and and force her to call me even more often, demanding that I speak to her... I'll know more after the pre-op appointment, I hope. Add that to my ongoing worries, and it's no wonder I'm having trouble sleeping, and nightmares when I do sleep. No voice. I'll have to get my little whiteboard from my studio and use that. Hee hee. It'll be an excuse to use all the pretty markers, anyway... Hee hee, and thank you!
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Dec 15, 2013 22:48:54 GMT -5
I find this line to be cruelly unfair. First Susan, still a child, of her own choice risks her own life and the lives of her siblings to help a non-human people she doesn't know win their freedom. Along with the others she earns a place as ruler of a kingdom, rules wisely and well for 10 years and then is abruptly tossed back to her former life--which she barely remembers--and is expected to live her childhood and adolesence all over again. It takes her a year or more to re-adjust when she is once more swept up in the politics and wars of her own former kingdom. She puts everything on the line a second time and even begins to fall in love when she is once more kicked out and expected to be a child for what amounts to a third time! Most of us barely survive it only once. She isn't even asked back for the third adventure because she has had the temerity to grow up. Having twice proved her bravery, her maturity and anything else that a person could ask--she then loses her whole family. But is Aslan at all compassionate to all she has contributed, all she risked and all she has lost? No. She is refused Narian resurrection because she has found a way to deal with all she has endured--for them? If this is Lewis' view of Aslan, Christ and Christianity please leave me out of it. I'll stay behind with Susan. Fie, C.S. Fie and be shamed. It's been so long since I read this story I can't comment intelligently on the details, but I did read that Lewis died before writing a Susan of Narnia sequel that was supposed to be about what happened to Susan. I know I never found him harsh, in any reading I did. Have a few more comments I will move to Other Topic.
Spring, where did you read this? As an old Mythie, I am intrigued and would like to know more.
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Post by SpringSummers on Dec 16, 2013 10:18:17 GMT -5
It's been so long since I read this story I can't comment intelligently on the details, but I did read that Lewis died before writing a Susan of Narnia sequel that was supposed to be about what happened to Susan. I know I never found him harsh, in any reading I did. Have a few more comments I will move to Other Topic.
Spring, where did you read this? As an old Mythie, I am intrigued and would like to know more. There is a mention here:
narnia.wikia.com/wiki/Susan_Pevensie
Scroll down to the 1941 - 1949 section. Don't know how reliable this is.
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Dec 16, 2013 13:10:54 GMT -5
Busy, Busy, Busy also sad, sad, sad: bad combination for piffling.
Julia, all the piffle kicked out of me this year.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Dec 17, 2013 8:48:56 GMT -5
Cats + Me => Dentist. Luck, please?
ETA: Home again.
Shadow was "fractious" and went after one of the techs, they think because her sister set her off. It looks like I'll be having to make separate appointments for them. On the same day at different times, because the dental techs only come once a month. So the second cat will be warned and wary and probably hide all day. Urk.
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Dec 17, 2013 15:59:44 GMT -5
Cats + Me => Dentist. Luck, please? ETA: Home again. Shadow was "fractious" and went after one of the techs, they think because her sister set her off. It looks like I'll be having to make separate appointments for them. On the same day at different times, because the dental techs only come once a month. So the second cat will be warned and wary and probably hide all day. Urk. Strangely enough Franklin had an epic dentistry experience yesterday as he spent three-and-a-half hours getting his teeth deep cleaned, a failing filling replaced, and crown prep done. His body is not up to that level of dentist chair exposure, but he went to work today anyway. Oh, wait, stuck here in the middle before I hit post: Remember when there were discussions like this one everywhere, including here? Man, I miss that. Me, I'm sitting here trying to gird my loins to eat lunch, and nothing at all sounds good, as per usual. I need to be rich enough and my knees flexy enough that I can go out to lunch every day. There are five or six good places before you even get to the Lacey bus base. Julia, seven minutes max from Tom Yum Gai but so very not up to the price.
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Dec 17, 2013 17:21:05 GMT -5
life: not simples. #grouphugs# for all also , for encourage/celebrate all the usefuls and small things as well as the big ones
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Post by Onjel on Dec 18, 2013 11:26:56 GMT -5
Dropping by to say hi! Hugs and good luck vibes for all. Love the bling, Diane! Hang in there, Better Half!
Off to another deposition. (11 in last 9 days). See y'all later!
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Dec 20, 2013 2:16:55 GMT -5
Busy. Also, trying to post every day on LJ, which means I'm not participating anywhere else.
Julia, and today the hired hand bailed, so I was overworked and under finished.
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Post by Sue on Dec 20, 2013 8:10:14 GMT -5
Busy. Also, trying to post every day on LJ, which means I'm not participating anywhere else. Julia, and today the hired hand bailed, so I was overworked and under finished. I have thinky thoughts about Susan Pevensie which some day I'll post on the OT thread. I have thinky thoughts about SHIELD (be -- can I copy some of your LJ thoughts to quote?) which some day I'd love to post. Too busy here with baking, shopping, wrapping, my sister's surgery et al, travel back to Chicago, end of year paperwork gathering, etc, etc, Ridiculous to absurd: High temp in Nashville on Saturday: 72 Low temp in Chicago IL on Monday night when we arrive: -7. Yep, and 80 degree swing in about 60 hours!
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Post by Sue on Dec 20, 2013 8:18:25 GMT -5
Also: no wonder Yahoo goes wonky so often: it's corporate headquarters is in Sunnyvale, CA!
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Post by Sue on Dec 20, 2013 8:18:44 GMT -5
Looking at my icon on Giles: I miss him.
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Post by Sue on Dec 20, 2013 8:19:18 GMT -5
Okay, need to get ready for the Orkin man -- house has to be retreated for termite control.
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Post by Sue on Dec 20, 2013 8:19:42 GMT -5
And, may as well do one more in honor of Patty
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