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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Feb 5, 2004 17:33:47 GMT -5
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Feb 5, 2004 21:13:13 GMT -5
Great job, Nan, as befits a nicely crafted episode.
I was especially happy to see the comfortable scene in Angel's apartment after he catches Cordy watching the tape of Doyle; it serves to emphasize their "best friend" status as well as the great differences between the real Doyle and Spike's "benefactor", as well as reminding old viewers and informing newer ones of the longevity of Angel and Cordy's communications.
Julia, who wonders if a really especially evil demon would be astringent, oaky, and...chalky
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Feb 5, 2004 21:20:19 GMT -5
Great job, Nan, as befits a nicely crafted episode. I was especially happy to see the comfortable scene in Angel's apartment after he catches Cordy watching the tape of Doyle; it serves to emphasize their "best friend" status as well as the great differences between the real Doyle and Spike's "benefactor", as well as reminding old viewers and informing newer ones of the longeity of Angel and Cordy's communications. Julia, who wonders if a really especially evil demon would be astringent, oaky, and...chalky I expect it would. Thanks, Julia. This episode was much more straightforward than several others, recently. I hope I was able to hit and discuss at least the main points, even though I found some of them still dangling, left up in the air.
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Post by RAKSHA on Feb 5, 2004 21:32:10 GMT -5
Great review!
Good point about the 'wake-up call' being for Cordy AND Angel. And of course, this was unadulterated pure Cordelia - do the shopping, then get down to business.
I personally think it would be neat if Spike inherited Cordy's visions, but I doubt that will happen...
Although Angel made a few dismissive remarks about/to Spike, there was much less venom. He's accepted Spike as part of the landscape of his life, and though they can still snark at each other, they seem to have exorcised the worst of the bitterness and hate. I was so pleased by the FG actually bringing Spike along to celebrate Spike's concern.
It was hard for me to equate Harmony's brutalizing of Eve with what had been done to Dana. As I recall, Harmony did hit Eve a couple of times, but Eve wasn't injured, and frankly, since they needed information quickly and Eve had done a LOT worse by sticking that parasite onto Angel, I could condone it...GAIL
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Post by KMInfinity on Feb 5, 2004 21:53:15 GMT -5
Great review Nan....
Just curious... Am I really dense tonite and so can't think of the reason for the "something old, something new...." structure to the review?
This bothered me too... a bit of a sour note. Harmony should have been the one to suggest torture, with Cordy wistfully rejecting it.....
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Feb 5, 2004 22:08:10 GMT -5
Great review Nan.... Just curious... Am I really dense tonite and so can't think of the reason for the "something old, something new...." structure to the review? This bothered me too... a bit of a sour note. Harmony should have been the one to suggest torture, with Cordy wistfully rejecting it..... KM, the best excuse for the structure I can dredge up is that the episode was rather formally structured to showcase Cordelia. It was, in a way, ceremonial. And it's as close to a wedding as Angel and Cordy are ever gonna get, it looks like. Also, when Sleeping Beauty wakes up, it's to be married to the Handsome Prince TM. That SO conspicuously doesn't happen with Cordy! So the subheads seemed to fit, somehow....
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Feb 5, 2004 22:16:02 GMT -5
Hi Nan, just finished reading your review - really enjoyed it - and found stuff to argue, which is fun. *smile* I liked your Cordy resume at the beginning - that girl got around, metaphysically speaking.
"If Cordy has been uneasily, inexplicably asleep and divorced from her true nature, so has Angel." Nice...why didnt I pick up on that? Very nice indeed.
Stuff to argue...
I don't think that Cordy has come back as a higher power....because we were told last season (by Skip) that she actually had never become a higher power - instead she was deluded by Skip...who lied, to remove her from Angel's side. Whether Skip was lying in the first or second place we are not told. I myself think that Cordy was given this gift of 'last chance' in the time honored movie tradition ....and is now in one of those heavenly dimensions - like Buffy visited. Except I think she's gone for good. This was her curtain call I believe. Who would want to ruin an exit like that?
Eve though...I think Eve WILL be back. Nothing is explained about Eve - nothing at all. She's not gone, she just left the building...and we aren't shown in which direction the elevator took her.
I'm wishing LIndsey will come back too - but think he won't. I think he's done although I wasn't satisfied with the reasoning given for his return in the first place...Lindsey is angry with Angel for getting his promotion? No...just doesn't work - he left - he turned DOWN WR&H...and if he found a way to hide himself from them via sexy runes, why would he bother coming back to fight Angel? Doesn't make sense to me, but if that's the way they wrote it....gotta live with it.
Finally - I did NOT pick up on that toner reference with the unpleasant looking slave on a string...very cool! I love the stand-alone eps too Nan...right!
Did you hear Angel call Lindsey 'squirt'? I loved that! That and 'tiny texan'....
Some flaws in this episode, but plenty of sparkle too.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Feb 5, 2004 22:18:24 GMT -5
KM, the best excuse for the structure I can dredge up is that the episode was rather formally structured to showcase Cordelia. It was, in a way, ceremonial. And it's as close to a wedding as Angel and Cordy are ever gonna get, it looks like. Also, when Sleeping Beauty wakes up, it's to be married to the Handsome Prince TM. That SO conspicuously doesn't happen with Cordy! So the subheads seemed to fit, somehow.... Love the Trademark Nan! LOL!
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Post by Laura on Feb 5, 2004 22:46:45 GMT -5
<snip> Eve though...I think Eve WILL be back. Nothing is explained about Eve - nothing at all. She's not gone, she just left the building...and we aren't shown in which direction the elevator took her. <snip> Some flaws in this episode, but plenty of sparkle too. I'm with Patti on this one -- how do we know we've seen the last of Eve? I just don't see it -- I mean, Joss-verse! (Didn't Kristin Sutherland say once that Joyce appeared in the show after she " died" almost as many times as she appeared when Joyce was still alive?)
Besides -- we know there are no "wasted words" in the Joss-verse. If Eve says she's thinking about "revenge," I've got to think that she'll be trying to find some way to bring it about. Somebody suggested that she'd be going after Connor, as she's the only other one who knows about his existence. I can see that happening -- combine that with the fall-out that you know will come once the FG finds out about the "mind-rape," and the coup that I think we'll see coming from Gunn -- oh, yeah, Angel is going to have his hands full for the next 10 episodes.
<edit: Flippersmackin' smiley!>
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Post by Rachael on Feb 6, 2004 0:08:24 GMT -5
Great job, Nan, as befits a nicely crafted episode. I was especially happy to see the comfortable scene in Angel's apartment after he catches Cordy watching the tape of Doyle; it serves to emphasize their "best friend" status as well as the great differences between the real Doyle and Spike's "benefactor", as well as reminding old viewers and informing newer ones of the longevity of Angel and Cordy's communications. Julia, who wonders if a really especially evil demon would be astringent, oaky, and...chalky Can something be both astringent and chalky?
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Post by Rachael on Feb 6, 2004 0:11:15 GMT -5
Hi Nan, just finished reading your review - really enjoyed it - and found stuff to argue, which is fun. *smile* I liked your Cordy resume at the beginning - that girl got around, metaphysically speaking. "If Cordy has been uneasily, inexplicably asleep and divorced from her true nature, so has Angel." Nice...why didnt I pick up on that? Very nice indeed. Stuff to argue... I don't think that Cordy has come back as a higher power....because we were told last season (by Skip) that she actually had never become a higher power - instead she was deluded by Skip...who lied, to remove her from Angel's side. Whether Skip was lying in the first or second place we are not told. I myself think that Cordy was given this gift of 'last chance' in the time honored movie tradition ....and is now in one of those heavenly dimensions - like Buffy visited. Except I think she's gone for good. This was her curtain call I believe. Who would want to ruin an exit like that? Eve though...I think Eve WILL be back. Nothing is explained about Eve - nothing at all. She's not gone, she just left the building...and we aren't shown in which direction the elevator took her. I'm wishing LIndsey will come back too - but think he won't. I think he's done although I wasn't satisfied with the reasoning given for his return in the first place...Lindsey is angry with Angel for getting his promotion? No...just doesn't work - he left - he turned DOWN WR&H...and if he found a way to hide himself from them via sexy runes, why would he bother coming back to fight Angel? Doesn't make sense to me, but if that's the way they wrote it....gotta live with it. Finally - I did NOT pick up on that toner reference with the unpleasant looking slave on a string...very cool! I love the stand-alone eps too Nan...right! Did you hear Angel call Lindsey 'squirt'? I loved that! That and 'tiny texan'.... Some flaws in this episode, but plenty of sparkle too. Well, Patti pretty much covered my immediate thoughts. . . .
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Post by Dev(Rob) on Feb 6, 2004 1:13:32 GMT -5
Neither did I, and i'm kinda sad now as well because it would of looked good in my review Just want to say congratulations Nan once again on a good review, mine isn't as good but what the who, you're experienced at this aren't ya Good work once again Nan. Dev
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Post by Matthew on Feb 6, 2004 1:35:42 GMT -5
racheal: alum-laced chalk?
Nan: you forgot, cordy's singing talent. If there was ever anything that could seal it for me that Cordy and Angel could have had a destiny together, it's the fact that neither one can carry a tune in a sealed mason jar duct-taped to their foreheads. '
Oh, and Luke's hand, like lindseys, was not re-attached, but replaced.. granted with a prosthetic. Of course, hands in general were re-attached, but I am so anal retentive that... well, that I niggled at that silly thing, and felt an entirely compulsive need to mention it, even though you are entirely correct in your statement. Time to up the prozac dosage again, maybe.
Oh, and in my opinion, Cordy's incitation to torture? Classic Cordy. She's always been a person (to me) that reserves the humane treatment, etc, for the white hats on divergent paths, and the grey hats. maybe. but the black hats? fry 'em. And sometimes the White hats too, if she's in enough of a snit about something.
Patti: I think it's the other way around: We'll see Linds again, I'm almost certain... but I can't see Eve coming back anytime soon.
-Matthew of the happy appreciation that X-files is finally coming on after that interminable basketball game. And who is oddly chuffed by the phrase "flippersmack"
P.S. Thanks for the insights, Nan.
P.P.S. Was it a switchblade? or a buttefly knife?
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Feb 6, 2004 1:40:13 GMT -5
racheal: alum-laced chalk? Nan: you forgot, cordy's singing talent. If there was ever anything that could seal it for me that Cordy and Angel could have had a destiny together, it's the fact that neither one can carry a tune in a sealed mason jar duct-taped to their foreheads. ' Oh, and Luke's hand, like lindseys, was not re-attached, but replaced.. granted with a prosthetic. Of course, hands in general were re-attached, but I am so anal retentive that... well, that I niggled at that silly thing, and felt an entirely compulsive need to mention it, even though you are entirely correct in your statement. Time to up the prozac dosage again, maybe. Oh, and in my opinion, Cordy's incitation to torture? Classic Cordy. She's always been a person (to me) that reserves the humane treatment, etc, for the white hats on divergent paths, and the grey hats. maybe. but the black hats? fry 'em. And sometimes the White hats too, if she's in enough of a snit about something. Patti: I think it's the other way around: We'll see Linds again, I'm almost certain... but I can't see Eve coming back anytime soon. -Matthew of the happy appreciation that X-files is finally coming on after that interminable basketball game. And who is oddly chuffed by the phrase "flippersmack" P.S. Thanks for the insights, Nan. P.P.S. Was it a switchblade? or a buttefly knife? Matt, since I have no clue what a butterfly knife is, it's a switchblade. Because I say so.
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Feb 6, 2004 1:41:26 GMT -5
Neither did I, and i'm kinda sad now as well because it would of looked good in my review Just want to say congratulations Nan once again on a good review, mine isn't as good but what the who, you're experienced at this aren't ya Good work once again Nan. Dev Dev, your review has arrived. I'll read it through in the morning and send it on to Vlad (with a cc to you) for posting.
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