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Post by William the Bloody on Nov 6, 2003 21:14:20 GMT -5
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Post by LadyDi on Nov 6, 2003 21:50:09 GMT -5
I may be first....gotta make this quik. Interesting review, very indepth (mucho research)....Kudos on the pentagram stuff.
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Post by makd on Nov 6, 2003 23:11:59 GMT -5
I may be first....gotta make this quik. Interesting review, very indepth (mucho research)....Kudos on the pentagram stuff. Rae - really (cubed) terrific job! Love the research on the pentagram and the number 5. Such goodness in each review, and such goodness from the show's writers. So much in this episode: Spikey's frustration at being incorporeal (and I can't wait to see his physical joy when/if he becomes corporeal again) is so evident. I really ....feel...for him! He can't taste, can't smell, can't touch (without great effort), can't smoke, can't drink, can't even diddle his willlie. Pobrecito, las senoras and senoritas del S'cubies ayudamos. (Poor little one, the S'cubie women are going to help!) Also - the whole situation with Spike being physically disconnected from life, and with Angel being emotionally disconnected from life. Maybe Spike and Angel are the new "mirrors" on AtS, as Buffy and Spike "mirrored" on BtVS. Once again, Rae, thank you! terrific review.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 6, 2003 23:44:44 GMT -5
Rae, I enjoyed your review so much! Very insightful, you really made me think about the episode a lot more carefully, and I was intrigued by all the Five-y facts. I think I liked the episode a lot more after reading your review, and I know I need to watch it again to catch some of the things you mentioned. Great job!
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Post by RAKSHA on Nov 7, 2003 5:59:45 GMT -5
Great review, Rae!
Interesting look at the significance of the number five and the tie-in with the pentagram. I definitely agree that Angel is the fifth, 'spirit' element of the Fang Gang; he is the hub, the center, the nexus. If he loses heart, they will lose their direction. As to the four elements, well, Spike has got to be fire, Gunn is earth, and I'm not sure between Fred and Wesley who would correspond to air and who to water. The concept of the four elements has always intrigued me...
GAIL
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Post by LadyDi on Nov 7, 2003 13:19:56 GMT -5
Great review, Rae!
Interesting look at the significance of the number five and the tie-in with the pentagram. I definitely agree that Angel is the fifth, 'spirit' element of the Fang Gang; he is the hub, the center, the nexus. If he loses heart, they will lose their direction. As to the four elements, well, Spike has got to be fire, Gunn is earth, and I'm not sure between Fred and Wesley who would correspond to air and who to water. The concept of the four elements has always intrigued me...
GAIL (emphasis is mine) ITA, Spike has got to be fire. Burning bright, full of passion, "alive" (it moves, needs fuel, needs to breathe). I think in that view, Wes is water and Fred is air (air supports fire, water and earth douse it).
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Post by Nickim on Nov 7, 2003 13:49:59 GMT -5
Cool review, Rae. You did some real homework to get the info about the number 5. I am suprised no one else, besides me, has mentioned the fact that El Cinco lived in apartment number 8--the symbol of infinity. I'd like to know what others think was the sigificance of that. I thought maybe the eternal struggle of good versus evil.
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Post by raenstorm on Nov 7, 2003 13:57:44 GMT -5
(emphasis is mine) ITA, Spike has got to be fire. Burning bright, full of passion, "alive" (it moves, needs fuel, needs to breathe). I think in that view, Wes is water and Fred is air (air supports fire, water and earth douse it). I agree that Spike is fire. At first, I didn't think so since air and water are described as "free-flowing" and I was thinking that Spike is more free-flowing given his ability to look at the "poetic" side of things. Then, I went back and reread the site about pentagrams and saw this, "then again descending to the fire of purification before again rising as a divine spark to find again his spiritual source." That describes Spike's current path perfectly. I really should have included the two paragraphs about open and encircled pentagrams since they seem to fit. According to the site a circled pentagram means that the five points are connected. Where as an open pentagram symolizes "an outgoing of oneself, prepared for conflict, aware, active." Interesting way to look at our group. Especially since the site says, "One wearing an open pentagram must be physically aware of the danger of sharp points sticking in their skin from time to time." Ahh, so to ensure that they are not harming one another, they need to become connected again.
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Post by Nickim on Nov 7, 2003 14:06:26 GMT -5
I agree that Spike is fire. At first, I didn't think so since air and water are described as "free-flowing" and I was thinking that Spike is more free-flowing given his ability to look at the "poetic" side of things. Then, I went back and reread the site about pentagrams and saw this, "then again descending to the fire of purification before again rising as a divine spark to find again his spiritual source." That describes Spike's current path perfectly. I really should have included the two paragraphs about open and encircled pentagrams since they seem to fit. According to the site a circled pentagram means that the five points are connected. Where as an open pentagram symolizes "an outgoing of oneself, prepared for conflict, aware, active." Interesting way to look at our group. Especially since the site says, "One wearing an open pentagram must be physically aware of the danger of sharp points sticking in their skin from time to time." Ahh, so to ensure that they are not harming one another, they need to become connected again. OOOOO, ME needs to read this--maybe they have. I think the FG's probably gonna' do some harm to each other before they become connected. We already saw Lorne doing some harm to Angel last week, not to mention Gunn's "gift" in Angel's chair.
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Post by raenstorm on Nov 7, 2003 14:28:24 GMT -5
I need to find more sources that explain the different elements. This site, www.starkindler.org/arion/elements.htm, is the place I found on first glance and, if I use it to make my decision, I'd say: Fred: Air Wesley: Water Gunn: Earth Spike: Fire But, I'm not liking those... I need to do more research.
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Post by raenstorm on Nov 7, 2003 14:29:34 GMT -5
Thanks everyone Glad you enjoyed the review! Once I found the pentagram information, I felt compelled to use it in my review. It'll be interesting to see how far I can keep going with it as the season progresses!
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Post by raenstorm on Nov 7, 2003 14:33:05 GMT -5
I need to find more sources that explain the different elements. This site, www.starkindler.org/arion/elements.htm, is the place I found on first glance and, if I use it to make my decision, I'd say: Fred: Air Wesley: Water Gunn: Earth Spike: Fire But, I'm not liking those... I need to do more research. Awww... Spike is our fire!
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Post by Karen on Nov 7, 2003 14:40:22 GMT -5
Awww... Spike is our fire! I checked the website. Cool stuff. I would guess that Fred/Lorne is Water. I see where both of them could be representing this corner. Lorne is the subconscious and Fred the feminine and compassionate part. Altho, both Fred and Lorne seem to fit many parts of this. Great review, Rae. Still absorbing a lot of it.
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Post by LadyDi on Nov 7, 2003 15:09:59 GMT -5
I checked the website. Cool stuff. I would guess that Fred/Lorne is Water. I see where both of them could be representing this corner. Lorne is the subconscious and Fred the feminine and compassionate part. Altho, both Fred and Lorne seem to fit many parts of this. Great review, Rae. Still absorbing a lot of it. I still feel Wes is water and Fred air (as a scientist, she's got a lock on the logical rationale). Wes' training as a Watcher and his experiences are more suggestive of wisdom to me.
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Post by Karen on Nov 7, 2003 15:55:44 GMT -5
I still feel Wes is water and Fred air (as a scientist, she's got a lock on the logical rationale). Wes' training as a Watcher and his experiences are more suggestive of wisdom to me. I guess I was thinking how compassionate Fred was towards Spike. She was the only one who felt bad for his situation and tried to make the others understand. There's a lot of overlap for each character from the descriptions. Where does Gunn fit in - or maybe he won't be part of the 5 in the end?
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