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Post by ldelrossi on Nov 8, 2003 11:44:45 GMT -5
Really wonderful review Rae. I too loved the pentagram information and the elements.
I agree that Angel is the spirit and Spike is fire. I agree with LadyDi that Wesley is more Water - "nurtures, intuitive, revealing of mystery." All that fits with Wesley. He spends most of his time researching to clarify the many mysteries that they must face. He is intuitive, making leaps from research to the practical. I really believe that Angel's slip about the "father will kill the son" prophecy is going to bother Wes and he will intuitively search out what it means.
Fred is air -"clarity of thought, decision making, conscious direction of will..." She is the scientist and thus thinks of things in a clear (to her) scientific manner. She made a conscious direction of will in the first episode, yelling at her new staff to "work the problem" and in "Hellbound" directing all of the others to help her in her quest to make Spike corporeal.
Earth is the heaviest and darkest of elements. It symbolizes stability, ...growth, perseverance.." This seems to refer perfectly to Gunn. He certainly has grown with his newly enhanced brain. He is often deeply engrossed in contracts, whatever. He seems less disconnected than Wes or Angel - stability. In his old life he persevered fighting vampires even though it must have seemed hopeless.
Again Rae, really thoughtful review. You went above and beyond the episode itself. You've raised the bar very high for thos of us who must follow you.
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Post by Laura on Nov 8, 2003 12:43:16 GMT -5
<snip>Where does Gunn fit in - or maybe he won't be part of the 5 in the end?
Of course, that would be a hugely cruel trick to play on both Gunn and us the viewers -- but what if Charles does end up going "all evil" and turns out to be -- like his name -- "never helpful"?
It's not something I ever considered before -- sort of just hit me as I read Karen's post. |
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Post by Karen on Nov 8, 2003 13:12:04 GMT -5
And I'm suddenly reminded of something Buffy said (In Flooded, as she's taking a gun away from the bank guard): "These things? Never helpful."
Of course, that would be a hugely cruel trick to play on both Gunn and us the viewers -- but what if Charles does end up going "all evil" and turns out to be -- like his name -- "never helpful"?
It's not something I ever considered before -- sort of just hit me as I read Karen's post. I felt the same way after rewatching an earlier episode of Angel where Gunn tells him that Angel and he could never be friends. And I agree - it would be a cruel trick - kind of like Tara cruel.  I hope if the series takes that turn, that they leave us some hope that things can be reversed somehow. Anyway, it was just a thought - not that it's really going to happen or anything. Right?  |
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Post by Nickim on Nov 8, 2003 14:24:35 GMT -5
I felt the same way after rewatching and earlier episode of Angel where Gunn tells him that Angel and he could never be friends. And I agree - it would be a cruel trick - kind of like Tara cruel. I hope if the series takes that turn, that they leave us some hope that things can be reversed somehow. Anyway, it was just a thought - not that it's really going to happen or anything. Right? Just the kind of thing Joss loves to do. "Give us what we need, not what we want."  |
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Post by RAKSHA on Nov 9, 2003 4:22:39 GMT -5
And I'm suddenly reminded of something Buffy said (In Flooded, as she's taking a gun away from the bank guard): "These things? Never helpful."
Of course, that would be a hugely cruel trick to play on both Gunn and us the viewers -- but what if Charles does end up going "all evil" and turns out to be -- like his name -- "never helpful"?
It's not something I ever considered before -- sort of just hit me as I read Karen's post.
I first postulated Spike's correspondance to the alchemic element of Fire because of some of the imagery in the last few seasons of BUFFY - Buffy's singing about wanting the fire back in OMWF, Spike referring to his soul as "the spark" in early S7, and of course Spike & Buffy's fiery handhold and his death in CHOSEN.[glow=red,2,300]GAIL  [/glow] |
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Post by LadyDi on Nov 9, 2003 13:41:06 GMT -5
It would not surprise me at all if Gunn were to turn evil. He is already on the path to corruption by W&H, because he let them mess with his head bigtime, took the fast and easy path to knowledge, and is more at ease in his new role than any of his FG teammates. I hope he resists; because I really like Gunn. He is also, along with Wesley, capable of eventually destroying Angel if he puts his mind to it (they both have a streak of cold ruthlessness).
I first postulated Spike's correspondance to the alchemic element of Fire because of some of the imagery in the last few seasons of BUFFY - Buffy's singing about wanting the fire back in OMWF, Spike referring to his soul as "the spark" in early S7, and of course Spike & Buffy's fiery handhold and his death in CHOSEN.[glow=red,2,300]GAIL [/glow] Spike's link to fire goes back even further than S7. Spring mentioned the scene where Spike's hand catches fire in Lover's Walk (S3). You could even stretch it, and say Spike "fired" the Annoying One in School Hard (S2). |
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Post by Karen on Nov 9, 2003 15:42:12 GMT -5
Spike's link to fire goes back even further than S7. Spring mentioned the scene where Spike's hand catches fire in Lover's Walk (S3). You could even stretch it, and say Spike "fired" the Annoying One in School Hard (S2). And you could also take Angel's comment about Spike's hair being "radioactive" as his link to fire. Not exactly fire, but something radioactive can burn you. Hmmm. |
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Nov 9, 2003 16:05:20 GMT -5
Both the review itself and the comments on it have been very interesting and insightful. Pentagrams are clearly the way to go! I'm more and more glad of this guest reviewing thing: a diversity of voices and insights, each one well done in a different way. I'm glad we're doing this!
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I hope if the series takes that turn, that they leave us some hope that things can be reversed somehow. 
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