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Post by Sara on Nov 15, 2006 15:13:05 GMT -5
I went back and looked at my tape this morning, and while I didn't have a chance to do a side-by-side comparison the mysterious man watching Charlie in the diner wore a watch that appeared to be broken (at least, the outer crystal was) and with the hands pointing to a few minutes before midnight--I suspect a screen shot would confirm they were at seven minutes to the hour. Hmm. So Sylar killed the doctor, eh? Interesting. I'm assuming that Telekinetic guy and Sylar are one and the same (if only to account for "no fingerprints at the crime scene"). It would appear so: The hand of the guy in the diner: The hand of Chandra's killer: Same shot as above, but with some color correction to make the watch face a little clearer: Both the placement of the watch hands and the pattern of cracks in the watch crystal seem consistent between the diner shot and Mohinder's vision. So I'd say we're looking at the same person. Or that at least the same watch was present for both crimes.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 15, 2006 15:27:00 GMT -5
Hmm. So Sylar killed the doctor, eh? Interesting. I'm assuming that Telekinetic guy and Sylar are one and the same (if only to account for "no fingerprints at the crime scene"). It would appear so: Both the placement of the watch hands and the pattern of cracks in the watch crystal seem consistent between the diner shot and Mohinder's vision. So I'd say we're looking at the same person. Or that at least the same watch was present for both crimes. Bringing me to this question: why is he still wearing a broken watch?
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Post by Sara on Nov 15, 2006 15:35:57 GMT -5
It would appear so: Both the placement of the watch hands and the pattern of cracks in the watch crystal seem consistent between the diner shot and Mohinder's vision. So I'd say we're looking at the same person. Or that at least the same watch was present for both crimes. Bringing me to this question: why is he still wearing a broken watch? How did I know you, of all S'cubies, would ask that? Sentimental value, since it was broken while committing his first (or so I presume) murder? Or perhaps he likes the significance of when it was stopped; as Karen pointed out earlier, that particular time has a special resonance--it's the current setting of the Doomsday Clock. Or maybe all his trans-continental serial killing doesn't leave him much spare cash for something as minor as buying a new watch.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 15, 2006 16:06:12 GMT -5
Bringing me to this question: why is he still wearing a broken watch? How did I know you, of all S'cubies, would ask that? Sentimental value, since it was broken while committing his first (or so I presume) murder? Ick. Still ick. Nah. In that case, he'd just take it off. It's no use to him broken.
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Post by Sara on Nov 16, 2006 10:05:30 GMT -5
Something that occurred to me this morning as I finally watched the parts of the episode I missed while outside with Kaylee--now that we know Eden's ability is akin to that of the X-Files' Pusher and The 4400's Tess, it puts an interesting spin on when we saw Claire's dad ask Eden why she didn't get Mohinder to stay in New York. Because clearly she could have done exactly that, and even had the perfect opportunity when he came close to kiss her on the cheek.
Now I'm going to have to go back and watch that conversation between Eden and Mr. Bennett again...
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Post by Karen on Nov 16, 2006 10:21:59 GMT -5
Bringing me to this question: why is he still wearing a broken watch? How did I know you, of all S'cubies, would ask that? Sentimental value, since it was broken while committing his first (or so I presume) murder? Or perhaps he likes the significance of when it was stopped; as Karen pointed out earlier, that particular time has a special resonance--it's the current setting of the Doomsday Clock. Or maybe all his trans-continental serial killing doesn't leave him much spare cash for something as minor as buying a new watch. Or maybe he can leap time, too, and in his time, it hasn't been long since he killed Suresh and hasn't taken the time to remove the watch. Which would mean that at some point (if the theory that he absorbs power is correct) that he had killed Hiro at one point in the future. Oh - so that's why the cheerleader needs to be saved - because if Sylar absorbs her power of being indestructable, he'll be pretty much unstoppable.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 16, 2006 11:48:40 GMT -5
How did I know you, of all S'cubies, would ask that? Sentimental value, since it was broken while committing his first (or so I presume) murder? Or perhaps he likes the significance of when it was stopped; as Karen pointed out earlier, that particular time has a special resonance--it's the current setting of the Doomsday Clock. Or maybe all his trans-continental serial killing doesn't leave him much spare cash for something as minor as buying a new watch. Or maybe he can leap time, too, and in his time, it hasn't been long since he killed Suresh and hasn't taken the time to remove the watch. Which would mean that at some point (if the theory that he absorbs power is correct) that he had killed Hiro at one point in the future. Oh - so that's why the cheerleader needs to be saved - because if Sylar absorbs her power of being indestructable, he'll be pretty much unstoppable. What if Sylar sees the broken watch as an amulet or luck charm, or uses it as a focus for his power? He might just be afraid to take it off.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 16, 2006 21:27:10 GMT -5
How did I know you, of all S'cubies, would ask that? Sentimental value, since it was broken while committing his first (or so I presume) murder? Ick. Still ick. Nah. In that case, he'd just take it off. It's no use to him broken. Also, Sylar being the killer of Mohinder's dad would seem to prove that the head opeing/brain stealing is linked to folks with powers /taking their powers, etc. 'Cuz he didn't do that to the doc. (He didn't, right? Or am I not remembering it correctly?) Well, and I guess it also confirms that the doc didn't have any powers. Which doesn't necessarily mean that Mohinder won't turn out to have some . . . . but would fit with him not having any.
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Post by KMInfinity on Nov 18, 2006 10:39:20 GMT -5
This show keep getting better and better.
I'm wondering many things. But especially:
If Hiro went to the past and "met" the waitress, why didn't she "remember" Hiro in the episode we saw, causing all kinds of confusion? I think the two big theories are that each event (for some theories, major event) causes a split in the "timeline" resulting in multiple followup timelines, called the multiverse, where an infinite amount of timelines show all possible versions of history.
In this instance, it means Hiro left his "home" timeline and disappeared forever from it, and created a new timeline where he may or may not rescue the waitress. From that point on there would be at least two timelines branching: the "Home" timeline and the "rescued waitress" timeline. I think this concept is a bit too complex to be explored on a weekly TV show, even a well written one, but I just hope they don't ignore the possibility completely, or apply it inconsistently.
The other big theory is that a timeline has an inertia level, and that some things are "fated." Or maybe not exactly "fated" but are so germane to the previous set of circumstances they are hard to prevent/change. For example, a classic case might be someone who thinks that it is possible to prevent WWII and the Holocaust by assassinating Hitler in 1933. But yet, when returning to 2006, after doing the assassination, there was little change in the recorded past, since some unknown individual "stepped in" to fill the Hitler role, since (according to this theory) it wasn't just Hitler responsible for his times, but a whole concatentation of events, people, etc. This theory is kinda like the "predestination" time travel theory? That's not the right term...something about how there's a certain tide to historical change, the way Marx and the Communists proposed that communism was inevitable? Anyway, in order to effect change you'd need to go back far enough to change numerous events that led to the crucial event you want to change. But then you risk numerous unintended changes as a consequence.
Anyway, in the photo on the restaurant wall with Hiro and the waitress, I thought he looked a bit worried. Getting to the past may be the easiest part of Hiro's challenge. The ultimate challenge is changing the events, and changing them so they don't have unintended consequences. Imagine if Hiro has "already" saved the waitress, gets to the "now" and discovers his buddy is dead. Or all the restaurant patrons dead. Or returns to discover a radioactive crater where Las Vegas was? He might be bouncing back and forth in time trying to produce an entirely favorable result that just may not be possible.
(Edited by Rachael accidentally instead of hitting the "quote" button. No words have been changed.)
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Post by Rachael on Nov 18, 2006 11:20:08 GMT -5
This show keep getting better and better. I'm wondering many things. But especially: If Hiro went to the past and "met" the waitress, why didn't she "remember" Hiro in the episode we saw, causing all kinds of confusion? Because it hadn't happened yet in the original timeline, and time (contrary to our perceptions of it) isn't linear, nor does causation have to precede an event. I understand from Stephen Hawking that HE understands these things. I take his word for it. This one is a "real" scientific hypothesis, in the sense of there being a lot of physicists out there who think it's possible. But television writers probably don't use it, 'cause we want "our" Hiro to stay "our" Hiro. Or, rather we don't want our Hiro to have jumped forever to an alternate universe and be now dealing with alternative versions of everyone else. Exactly. I doubt they'd go this way. Right. Although Connie Willis has dealt with this is a second way, which is this: "big" events (and what seems to define "big" is observer-dependent - WE define big in terms of how it affected the entire world we know, as humans) can't be changed. Basically, anything "important" enough to wind up in a history book can't be changed. No matter how hard they tried to assassinate Hitler in Willis' books, they could never get an operative within a mile of the guy. The physics of their time travel just wouldn't let it happen. So they could observe, but make no big changes that would disrupt their own futures. The Company novels have something similar, except in those stories it's still unclear whether the past simply can't be changed much, or the Company itself is making sure nothing big ever gets changed in a way that will affect them running the world in the 24th century. I suspect it's something like that, or that he was simply unable to change it at all. I'm feeling really sick about the fact that even though the photo changed, Hiro didn't come back. Nor did Ando's memories change, at least if his behavior is to be believed. Something went wrong, and Hiro's about to find out that Star Trek isn't the best model for time travel.
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Post by KMInfinity on Nov 18, 2006 12:22:34 GMT -5
I was actually thinking of Willis in connection to my scenarios! I didn't realize the multiverse speculation from science fiction actually had scientific support beyond speculation. That's what I get for learning most of my science thru fiction rather than reading science articles.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 12, 2007 21:19:34 GMT -5
This was a great observation:
Neat! I don't even remember his jacket having writing on it, but this is very cool.
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Post by Queen E on Jan 13, 2007 21:35:58 GMT -5
This was a great observation: Neat! I don't even remember his jacket having writing on it, but this is very cool. Hee! I'm glad you liked that. It was a little patch on his jacket, and Charlie points it out and translate it. It could have been very obvious, Japanese man with limited English in Texas, but it was Hiro's response that really sold that moment for me...I love the fact that he feels so at home with the world that he never feels like a tourist, or that he doesn't belong. And, of course, it takes on more resonance when he leaps backwards, and calls into question the wisdom of that decision... So glad you're reading and enjoying! Thanks so much for commenting!
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Post by Lola m on Jan 15, 2007 13:32:12 GMT -5
Another yay for both ideas and their expression in writing, Erin!
Time, time, time! And see what’s become of all our heroes! I loved all the examples you gave – I know that writers do this to make their theme felt, even when you don’t necessarily notice the source of that feeling (at least, I never do – that’s why I appreciate reviewers!)
I loved
And also
A desire they share and one that we see Hiro attempt to pull off.
Your comments on Mohinder’s story were very well put. His stated desire to let go of his father’s influence and his obvious need to continue to pursue it. Truly growing up when you lose a parent . . . makes me examine other characters and how this applies to them. We’ve seen Mohinder and Simone lose their fathers; we’ve heard about how Peter and Nathan’s father died; Claire has lost her innocent viewpoint of her father; Niki’s story seems to be one where her father took her innocent childhood from her; we see that D.L. is a better father than he was presented at first. How are all the Heroes going to “grow up” as they learn to deal with their powers?
Finally, thanks for the great insight regarding the importance of Sylar as the centerpoint for the ep – the characters that appear being the ones that have a direct connection with him is a deeper meaning that I hadn’t seen ‘til you pointed it out! I really loved the way you phrased it:
This sooo fits the further information we get about Sylar later in the series – he was “stuck” in his life for so long and (falsely) believes that his new powers are moving him forward. But all he is doing is stopping the story of everyone he comes in contact with.
Oh, and “Best Evil Paper Company in Texas”? Heeeee! ;D
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Post by Queen E on Jan 17, 2007 8:49:21 GMT -5
Another yay for both ideas and their expression in writing, Erin! Time, time, time! And see what’s become of all our heroes! I loved all the examples you gave – I know that writers do this to make their theme felt, even when you don’t necessarily notice the source of that feeling (at least, I never do – that’s why I appreciate reviewers!) I loved And also A desire they share and one that we see Hiro attempt to pull off. And thank you again! We really learn (as if we didn't already know), that time is on no one's side but it's own. (I'll have more thoughts on that in "Six Months Ago.") Which foreshadows the fact that Hiro's attempt is really doomed. (And makes me wonder, a little nervously, if all this use of his power is going to diminish it, somehow.) You hit the point exactly. Part of growing up is losing those cherished but limiting views of one's parents. Micah already seems to be there; he reminds me of no one as much as Saffy on "Absolutely Fabulous"; his parents are flailing (if trying their best) and he is the one who can "fix" what is broken. Big burden for a kid, although it explains how he takes his own power in stride. As for Niki, she is a very good example, on a metaphorical level, of an abused child who has created a defense mechanism for survival, only to have it bite her in the ass in later life. That was one of those "popping" moments as well; Sylar is definitely so "dark" he puts everything around him in relief...and I wished I'd put that in my review; when we see him in the diner, there is almost a complete absence of light, like the darkest part of the night. In constrast, of course, to Charlie, who is all sweetness and light. I'll save the rest of my Sylar thoughts for my next review; there is a lot there! Hee! Well, who doesn't love a Dolly Parton reference? Thank you for enjoying and commenting!
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