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Post by Shan on Nov 20, 2006 23:57:38 GMT -5
Very intriguing, wasn't it? Yep. First time we've seen Niki on that side, isn't it? Yeah: from the previews for next week, it looks as if Niki and Jessica are gonna be... sort of a case of Sybil-type MPD. If one of Sybil's personalties were She-Hulk, only not green. And could be seen in mirrors. And the metaphor just breaks down into little pieces the moment I try to use it, doesn't it? Anyways, fascinating that Micah has seen her and knows her for what she is. Makes me wonder, though, if Jessica is a dissociated portion of the whole of Niki's personality, does Niki have the strength to toss people through doors, herself? Is this something that could be practiced by her as well, she's just unaware of it, because Jessica protects her from her own freak-ness as much as she protects Niki from the unpleasantness of the rest of the world? Oh. Yeah. Niki needs to meet Claire in SUCH a big way!
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Post by RAKSHA on Nov 21, 2006 0:02:05 GMT -5
Uh-oh; things don't look good for Peter.
And why doesn't ClairesDad have the girl locked up in his lab with that big scary psychic-damper dude protecting her? I was wondering that too. Was it because he didn't want to tell her he knew about her? Not tell her what he's been up to? Because he wants them to stay just "father and daughter" for a while? Maybe he was hoping she'd come to him with the truth? And now that she is going to tell him, do we think he'll also confide in her completely? Clever you! I only thought of that when we saw Peter looking at the picture of the other cheerleader. I suddenly was all "ooh, what if Sylar also picks the wrong girl? That might help Claire escape!". Which is rather callous toward the cruel girl. I mean, yes she was a bitca, but she didn't really deserve to get her head sliced open. GAIL [/color][/quote] You ask a good question. I am now wondering if he's another one that was nabbed and then released by Cheer!daddy's group. [/quote] No, poor Jackie didn't deserve death - perhaps it was a cautionary note about her ethics, she stole what was due to Claire, and reaped the shadow side of a hero's glory - the vulnerability to twistos/psychos/stalkers.
And hey, kudos to quiet, mild-mannered Peter - he's saved the cheerleader, and with her, hopefully the world.
If I'd been ClairesDad, she'd been on a plane to the other side of the country, in disguise, with Eden and Psychic Damper Dude guarding her 24/7 as soon as I saw those pictures - not grounded in her room with unlocked windows. Had ClairesDad known of her abilities?
Also, if ClairesDad and PomLady couldn't have kids, where did the little brother come from? Another 'special' adoption?
GAIL
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Post by Matthew on Nov 21, 2006 0:03:16 GMT -5
NICELY summed-up! Especialy with the red. I don't dislike Nathan, though I can't say I particularly like him, much, either. Thanks. The original concept I won't take credit for, though. I've been thinking of Zelig since meeting Peter, which was a direct-line 'uh-huh" regarding special powers. Tonight, I thought a little bit more about it when I compared Nathan's personality/powers to his brother's and got a big flip-side vibe off the two of them. Especially with Peter's conversation with Ando and how much I disagreed with Ando's assertion that they were "nothing" and should just sit there and wait for the Hiro/heroes to get back. Tsk. BAD sidekick. No biscuit. *snerk* Hey, Ando doesn't have much experience being a sidekick, AND he was pretty certain that, by the rules of the stuff he and Hiro both know, that if Hiro hadn't made it back to him almost instantly, or left word for him, AND he'd hared off in some other direction, AND Charlie was still dead, that something was sorta screwed up. To say the least. Sidekicks half a planet away from their home who have no idea why the hell they are doing what they are doing, and are receiving bizarre phone calls from people they've never met who know their name and are trying to arrange to meet up with them are allowed to have a crisis of faith. Especially when it saves them from getting squishied by Sylar. *ETA: after quick IMDB/Wiki lookup, puts Zelig on list of films to rent.*
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Post by Shan on Nov 21, 2006 0:11:17 GMT -5
Thanks. The original concept I won't take credit for, though. I've been thinking of Zelig since meeting Peter, which was a direct-line 'uh-huh" regarding special powers. Tonight, I thought a little bit more about it when I compared Nathan's personality/powers to his brother's and got a big flip-side vibe off the two of them. Especially with Peter's conversation with Ando and how much I disagreed with Ando's assertion that they were "nothing" and should just sit there and wait for the Hiro/heroes to get back. Tsk. BAD sidekick. No biscuit. *snerk* Hey, Ando doesn't have much experience being a sidekick, AND he was pretty certain that, by the rules of the stuff he and Hiro both know, that if Hiro hadn't made it back to him almost instantly, or left word for him, AND he'd hared off in some other direction, AND Charlie was still dead, that something was sorta screwed up. To say the least. Sidekicks half a planet away from their home who have no idea why the hell they are doing what they are doing, and are receiving bizarre phone calls from people they've never met who know their name and are trying to arrange to meet up with them are allowed to have a crisis of faith. Especially when it saves them from getting squishied by Sylar. Hrmf. Hiro doesn't have much experience being a hero, either, but still he went off to BE one. AND after saying he didn't deserve superpowers if he was too afraid to use them. By the same token, Ando doesn't deserve to be a sidekick if he's too afraid to do what sidekicks do. Which is NOT to just sit and wait. I reckon Ando will come through, though. That doesn't mean I'm not still miffed at him at the moment.
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Post by Matthew on Nov 21, 2006 0:21:47 GMT -5
*snerk* Hey, Ando doesn't have much experience being a sidekick, AND he was pretty certain that, by the rules of the stuff he and Hiro both know, that if Hiro hadn't made it back to him almost instantly, or left word for him, AND he'd hared off in some other direction, AND Charlie was still dead, that something was sorta screwed up. To say the least. Sidekicks half a planet away from their home who have no idea why the hell they are doing what they are doing, and are receiving bizarre phone calls from people they've never met who know their name and are trying to arrange to meet up with them are allowed to have a crisis of faith. Especially when it saves them from getting squishied by Sylar. Hrmf. Hiro doesn't have much experience being a hero, either, but still he went off to BE one. AND after saying he didn't deserve superpowers if he was too afraid to use them. By the same token, Ando doesn't deserve to be a sidekick if he's too afraid to do what sidekicks do. Which is NOT to just sit and wait. I reckon Ando will come through, though. That doesn't mean I'm not still miffed at him at the moment. Yeah, but Hiro doesn't have to go to the Sidekick's Lounge in the back </tick joke> or wear the tights, and he kinda got bullied into going on the mission sorta against his will, and has been a DAMNED good sport about the whole thing. And yeah, I reckon he's gonna come through. I just think he's sorta scared into immobility at the moment: If he'd been asking "WWHD?" he'd have rolled with Peter in a second. But he's probably reached his freakout max for the day, finding out that Hiro was "real tight" with Charlie, and she died anyways: that Hiro's efforts apparently failed. *Makes note to go back and look at last week's episode to see what kind of welcome Hiro gets from everybody else in the diner: if there'd been a shift or not, prior to his blinking out of the scene in front of Ando* Was he in that picture with Charlie BEFORE he shifted out of Ando's presence? Ah, bugger. And I'm sure that Ando's probably kinda miffed at himself, too, at the moment.
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Post by Matthew on Nov 21, 2006 0:26:26 GMT -5
I was wondering that too. Was it because he didn't want to tell her he knew about her? Not tell her what he's been up to? Because he wants them to stay just "father and daughter" for a while? Maybe he was hoping she'd come to him with the truth? And now that she is going to tell him, do we think he'll also confide in her completely? Clever you! I only thought of that when we saw Peter looking at the picture of the other cheerleader. I suddenly was all "ooh, what if Sylar also picks the wrong girl? That might help Claire escape!". Which is rather callous toward the cruel girl. I mean, yes she was a bitca, but she didn't really deserve to get her head sliced open. GAIL [/color][/quote] No, poor Jackie didn't deserve death - perhaps it was a cautionary note about her ethics, she stole what was due to Claire, and reaped the shadow side of a hero's glory - the vulnerability to twistos/psychos/stalkers.
And hey, kudos to quiet, mild-mannered Peter - he's saved the cheerleader, and with her, hopefully the world.
If I'd been ClairesDad, she'd been on a plane to the other side of the country, in disguise, with Eden and Psychic Damper Dude guarding her 24/7 as soon as I saw those pictures - not grounded in her room with unlocked windows. Had ClairesDad known of her abilities?
Also, if ClairesDad and PomLady couldn't have kids, where did the little brother come from? Another 'special' adoption?
GAIL [/quote] OOOOHHHH!!! Could be!!!! And yeah, Jackie was a cautionary tale, I think: but she redeemed herself with her last word to Claire: "run!"
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Post by Rachael on Nov 21, 2006 0:32:07 GMT -5
Yeah, you know, usually I'm not onboard with the punching...but I think I can make an exception in this case. Hiro still didn't make it back....
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Post by Rachael on Nov 21, 2006 0:51:53 GMT -5
No, no, no, no, no, Peter!
Wrong girl.
*sigh*
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Post by Rachael on Nov 21, 2006 0:53:03 GMT -5
And dammit, Charlie is still dead--she was even the first photo Mr. Bennett showed Eden. Oh, and go Eden for standing up to her boss in favor of doing right by Isaac. Maybe Hiro is still trying to save Charlie and that's why he hasn't come back? Hmph. Major paradox issues in that case. 'Cause if he succeeded, regardless of how long it took him, we should already know. But you can't count on television writers to remember that.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 21, 2006 1:08:03 GMT -5
Heh.
"These aren't the droids you're looking for."
Oh, no. He's not getting away. At least, not just yet.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 21, 2006 1:12:17 GMT -5
I only saw the 2nd half of the episide tonight due to being gone to my son's school holiday performance, but...am I alone here or did anybody else NOT miss the whole screwed up Niki/Jessica/DL thing? I only want to see more of it to make sure that Micah is all right, but...yeesh...what a screwy deal. I hope the writers salvage something decent out of that mess. I actually did miss it. I like the Niki/Jessica plot. I suspect that Jan's instinct is gonna be the right one - sexual abuse as a child gave her a serious dissociative disorder.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 21, 2006 1:14:42 GMT -5
Awww.... Good for DL to admit that part of him still loves her. "I ain't wearin' no tights. You can wear tights. I ain't." Heeee! Love all the super hero references we get. ;D I thought the idea of the kid being a "spirit guide" was very interesting. When he finds him and the kid is all "I don't come to anyone, they come to me", that seemed very telling. ;D And you'd win that bet, sort of. Yes!! I thought of that a bit later, but it is the perfect answer, isn't it? What I am very very curious about is . . . why didn't they nab Sylar earlier? Were they really unable to catch up to him or were they . . . not trying that hard until Claire was threatened? I think they didn't know how to find him ahead of time until they got the visions of the future from whatshisname's paintings.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 21, 2006 1:17:22 GMT -5
Like I said, I only saw the 2nd half of the episode, so unless I've missed something...I'm not particularly fond of Nathan so far, but I have this feeling that he's just acting like an asshat because he's in such deep, DEEP denial about himself...and his brother. He keeps having things pull him in one direction or another - like his brother's crazy idealism or his wife's frakked up "don't tell me you've cheated on me or I might never walk again" manipulation tactics, not to mention his mother's arch-manipulation abilities with the hollandaise press-bruncheon. He lives for too many people and not himself, IMO, and until he finally figures out what HE's about, he's going to continue to make (IMO again) bad choices. But I still keep seeing glimpses of...the desire to make the right choices, or the desire to understand his purpose or to understand that there's something out there that's greater than the mayfly political office he's chasing. It's like his personality and his powers are polar opposites of his brother's. Nathan's personality absorbs the will of whoever he's in contact with while his "special" power remains intact but Peter's personality and devotion to his mission (whether it's flying in dreams with Mr. Deveaux to help him to the next life or "save the cheerleader, save the world") remains intact as his "special" power takes on the abilities of the "special" he comes in contact with. NICELY summed-up! Especialy with the red. I don't dislike Nathan, though I can't say I particularly like him, much, either. I still think he's evil. Or at least gonna wind up evil. Because I don't like him. Plus, he consistently makes the wrong choices.
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Post by Matthew on Nov 21, 2006 3:25:17 GMT -5
NICELY summed-up! Especially with the red. I don't dislike Nathan, though I can't say I particularly like him, much, either. I still think he's evil. Or at least gonna wind up evil. Because I don't like him. Plus, he consistently makes the wrong choices. Not by itself a reliable indicator of evil or potential for evil.Much more reliable indicator of evil or potential for evil. I agree with Shan in that we see glimpses of a desire deep within him to do that which is right: but his definition of "right" is... kinda screwed-up and too utilitarian, too "ends justify the means."
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Post by Lola m on Nov 21, 2006 8:14:13 GMT -5
<snipped> What I am very very curious about is . . . why didn't they nab Sylar earlier? Were they really unable to catch up to him or were they . . . not trying that hard until Claire was threatened? <more snipping> Because this was the first time they knew he'd be in a particular place at a particular time, thanks to Isaac's paintings; otherwise, as we've already seen he's able to flit in and out of places within a matter of moments. Unless they staked out every single "special" person they knew of, they really had no hope of ever catching him in the act before now. Oh, and speaking of Isaac--Greg suggested as we chatted that the figure in Isaac's latest painting might be our nuclear man Ted. Given the flames surrounding the person Isaac drew, I'd say that's a pretty good call on Greg's part. Oh, yes!! Thanks for reminding me. Seeing as how this was the emphasis in last week's ep, you think I'd have remembered. ;D ;D I wouldn't be surprised if it was Ted. I just know we haven't seen the last of him and strongly suspect he's a factor in the NY explosion thing.
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