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Post by Onjel on Mar 6, 2007 23:33:42 GMT -5
Now that I've seen the episode, I plan on reading the review. But, not tonight. Tonight I need sleep. So much catching up to do.
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Post by Onjel on Mar 6, 2007 23:34:29 GMT -5
Ahhhhhhh! Right! I knew I'd seen him before. He reminds me of that guy who played my favorite Secret Service agent from last year's 24. Speaking of people we recognize, I never noticed that "President Logan" was on Firefly, specifically, "Jayne'stown". He was also Tom Cullen in "The Stand"; I made a bit of a reference to that in my review... Not that I'm plugging my review or anything. I'm getting there. I promise. ;D
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Post by Onjel on Mar 7, 2007 14:28:31 GMT -5
Okay. I have watched and I have read and now I'm ready to speak. One: Great review, Sara! Two: It appears you found the overarching theme in the walking toward something that the characters should have been running from. ;D I applaud that, because this must have been a difficult episode to analyze. I didn't notice it and as usual, you pointed out an aspect of the show that I hadn't thought of. Three: You are some kind of overlord, being able to make both Hiro and Ando wrong about the same thing when they were on opposite sides of the issue. Four: I want to talk about the fear, betrayal, etc. that you mentioned. I actually think a case could be made that most of the characters you mentioned who were onscreen in this episode experienced the vanishing of things in which they believe and/or experienced fear of exactly the sort Mohindar mentioned: Matt, confronted with the telepathic confirmation that his fellow officers think of him as a joke, and a loser, experienced the betrayal of his colleagues and must have experienced the fear that they are right and his belief in himself is wrong, hence the taking of the diamonds. (I must admit, I would have been sorely tempted to do exactly what he did in the same circumstances. I'm a bad person. ). He has a fear that his gift will make him a pariah, like it seems to already have done, and that he won't be able to take care of his wife and unborn child. Jessica was confronted with the betrayal of her own ability to keep Nikki at bay and powerless. Nikki, who I believe appeared on the stairs, is growing stronger. You could see that Jessica was startled by Nikki's appearance where no mirrors or reflective surfaces were present. I believe that even Jessica experienced at least a twinge of fear that the power she has to keep Nikki suppressed is waning. What will that mean for her physical power? I don't know, but I bet she would have thought of it. Incidentally, this phrase one woman abbatoir has been put on my list of all-time favorite phrases. ;D Nathan is a bit more problematic, but perhaps that's because his fear is so cliche. Obviously, his mother emphasized what would happen if Claire's existence and his past relationship with her mother was exposed. It seems obvious that he feared his shot at political ascendency would vanish before his eyes. But, there might be a deeper fear. What if he fears the vanishing of his ability to be "Mr. Expedient, Pragmatic Politician Guy", once he sees or meets his long lost daughter and looks into her "weepy eyes". Could he continue on, the outwardly cold-hearted pragmatist? Or would he be unable to do so, throwing caution, his career, his current family and any inheritance to the wind? He's pretty comfortable right now, with a promising public and financial future, and that's a tough thing to give up. Hiro and Ando. What betrayal did they experience? Hiro, helping his friend, stumbles upon Hope talking on the telephone about what dupes the two "Chinese" guys were. While he didn't like or trust her completely, he did buy into Ando's comment about being a hero and this was a betrayal, however expected it might have been. Ando's been betrayed as well, though he doesn't know it yet. He's been hung out to dry by some "damsel in distress" who is really a criminal. What if he had gotten caught in the act of stealing the bag? I'm quite sure it wouldn't have been pretty. What do they fear the vanishing before their eyes? Maybe the ability to actually be heroic, hence their agreement to do what is a very stupid thing-stealing the bag and trusting a total stranger just because she's attractive. As far as Mohindar is concerned, I've got nuthin'. Except to say, RUN! He really should have listened to the title of the episode. ;D Thanks for the review Sara! You really got me thinking on this one.
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Post by Sara on Mar 7, 2007 15:33:41 GMT -5
Okay. I have watched and I have read and now I'm ready to speak. One: Great review, Sara! Two: It appears you found the overarching theme in the walking toward something that the characters should have been running from. ;D I applaud that, because this must have been a difficult episode to analyze. I didn't notice it and as usual, you pointed out an aspect of the show that I hadn't thought of. Three: You are some kind of overlord, being able to make both Hiro and Ando wrong about the same thing when they were on opposite sides of the issue. Four: I want to talk about the fear, betrayal, etc. that you mentioned. I actually think a case could be made that most of the characters you mentioned who were onscreen in this episode experienced the vanishing of things in which they believe and/or experienced fear of exactly the sort Mohindar mentioned: Matt, confronted with the telepathic confirmation that his fellow officers think of him as a joke, and a loser, experienced the betrayal of his colleagues and must have experienced the fear that they are right and his belief in himself is wrong, hence the taking of the diamonds. (I must admit, I would have been sorely tempted to do exactly what he did in the same circumstances. I'm a bad person. ). He has a fear that his gift will make him a pariah, like it seems to already have done, and that he won't be able to take care of his wife and unborn child. Jessica was confronted with the betrayal of her own ability to keep Nikki at bay and powerless. Nikki, who I believe appeared on the stairs, is growing stronger. You could see that Jessica was startled by Nikki's appearance where no mirrors or reflective surfaces were present. I believe that even Jessica experienced at least a twinge of fear that the power she has to keep Nikki suppressed is waning. What will that mean for her physical power? I don't know, but I bet she would have thought of it. Incidentally, this phrase one woman abbatoir has been put on my list of all-time favorite phrases. ;D Nathan is a bit more problematic, but perhaps that's because his fear is so cliche. Obviously, his mother emphasized what would happen if Claire's existence and his past relationship with her mother was exposed. It seems obvious that he feared his shot at political ascendency would vanish before his eyes. But, there might be a deeper fear. What if he fears the vanishing of his ability to be "Mr. Expedient, Pragmatic Politician Guy", once he sees or meets his long lost daughter and looks into her "weepy eyes". Could he continue on, the outwardly cold-hearted pragmatist? Or would he be unable to do so, throwing caution, his career, his current family and any inheritance to the wind? He's pretty comfortable right now, with a promising public and financial future, and that's a tough thing to give up. Hiro and Ando. What betrayal did they experience? Hiro, helping his friend, stumbles upon Hope talking on the telephone about what dupes the two "Chinese" guys were. While he didn't like or trust her completely, he did buy into Ando's comment about being a hero and this was a betrayal, however expected it might have been. Ando's been betrayed as well, though he doesn't know it yet. He's been hung out to dry by some "damsel in distress" who is really a criminal. What if he had gotten caught in the act of stealing the bag? I'm quite sure it wouldn't have been pretty. What do they fear the vanishing before their eyes? Maybe the ability to actually be heroic, hence their agreement to do what is a very stupid thing-stealing the bag and trusting a total stranger just because she's attractive. As far as Mohindar is concerned, I've got nuthin'. Except to say, RUN! He really should have listened to the title of the episode. ;D Thanks for the review Sara! You really got me thinking on this one. Thank you for such a thoughtful response, especially regarding how Voiceover!Mohinder's words actually can be applied to everyone but him.
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Post by Onjel on Mar 7, 2007 16:07:23 GMT -5
Okay. I have watched and I have read and now I'm ready to speak. One: Great review, Sara! Two: It appears you found the overarching theme in the walking toward something that the characters should have been running from. ;D I applaud that, because this must have been a difficult episode to analyze. I didn't notice it and as usual, you pointed out an aspect of the show that I hadn't thought of. Three: You are some kind of overlord, being able to make both Hiro and Ando wrong about the same thing when they were on opposite sides of the issue. Four: I want to talk about the fear, betrayal, etc. that you mentioned. I actually think a case could be made that most of the characters you mentioned who were onscreen in this episode experienced the vanishing of things in which they believe and/or experienced fear of exactly the sort Mohindar mentioned: Matt, confronted with the telepathic confirmation that his fellow officers think of him as a joke, and a loser, experienced the betrayal of his colleagues and must have experienced the fear that they are right and his belief in himself is wrong, hence the taking of the diamonds. (I must admit, I would have been sorely tempted to do exactly what he did in the same circumstances. I'm a bad person. ). He has a fear that his gift will make him a pariah, like it seems to already have done, and that he won't be able to take care of his wife and unborn child. Jessica was confronted with the betrayal of her own ability to keep Nikki at bay and powerless. Nikki, who I believe appeared on the stairs, is growing stronger. You could see that Jessica was startled by Nikki's appearance where no mirrors or reflective surfaces were present. I believe that even Jessica experienced at least a twinge of fear that the power she has to keep Nikki suppressed is waning. What will that mean for her physical power? I don't know, but I bet she would have thought of it. Incidentally, this phrase one woman abbatoir has been put on my list of all-time favorite phrases. ;D Nathan is a bit more problematic, but perhaps that's because his fear is so cliche. Obviously, his mother emphasized what would happen if Claire's existence and his past relationship with her mother was exposed. It seems obvious that he feared his shot at political ascendency would vanish before his eyes. But, there might be a deeper fear. What if he fears the vanishing of his ability to be "Mr. Expedient, Pragmatic Politician Guy", once he sees or meets his long lost daughter and looks into her "weepy eyes". Could he continue on, the outwardly cold-hearted pragmatist? Or would he be unable to do so, throwing caution, his career, his current family and any inheritance to the wind? He's pretty comfortable right now, with a promising public and financial future, and that's a tough thing to give up. Hiro and Ando. What betrayal did they experience? Hiro, helping his friend, stumbles upon Hope talking on the telephone about what dupes the two "Chinese" guys were. While he didn't like or trust her completely, he did buy into Ando's comment about being a hero and this was a betrayal, however expected it might have been. Ando's been betrayed as well, though he doesn't know it yet. He's been hung out to dry by some "damsel in distress" who is really a criminal. What if he had gotten caught in the act of stealing the bag? I'm quite sure it wouldn't have been pretty. What do they fear the vanishing before their eyes? Maybe the ability to actually be heroic, hence their agreement to do what is a very stupid thing-stealing the bag and trusting a total stranger just because she's attractive. As far as Mohindar is concerned, I've got nuthin'. Except to say, RUN! He really should have listened to the title of the episode. ;D Thanks for the review Sara! You really got me thinking on this one. #claps# Thank you for such a thoughtful response, especially regarding how Voiceover!Mohinder's words actually can be applied to everyone but him. Here's the thing. Without your review, I wouldn't have actually sat down and thought about those things, let alone put them to keyboard and screen, so it's all your fault that I didn't live up to my avatar quote as far as this episode is concerned.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 11, 2007 20:34:05 GMT -5
Excellent review of “Run”, Sara! Good points about the title evoking the “pow, crash”-ness of comic books and particularly about how most of the characters were in motion, making choices and decisions. And that most of the time, their choices were not what they should have been. Nathan and Meredith were so intrigingly well matched to me in this episode. As you pointed out, Nathan came so close to being decent and Meredith was honest, to some extent, with Nathan. She makes the offer to call Claire, but it is a weak offer to which he makes a weak refusal. Each of them is just looking for the barest opportunity to take, as you rightly call it, the easy path. And each of them grabs it with both hands when it’s presented. I think you put your finger right on it when you described Matt’s underlying reason for taking the bag – a silent “screw you” for all the small and large slights that other cops have shown him. I think he felt dismissed and disparaged even before he developed the dubious gift of being able to hear just exactly what people thought of him. But of course his attempt to be all “I’ll show you how incompetant I am, I’m strolling right out of here with what you couldn’t find” doesn’t show them what a good cop he is. It shows them he’ll sink to their level too. I was interested to read that you think Matt may have actually heard both Jessica and Niki talking – not just heard both their thoughts. That seems very likely, especially as we’ve seen in the most recent episode that your conjecture about Niki gaining strength was right. I was happy that you reminded us all that Mohinder really couldn’t be faulted for being fooled by Sylar. It’s easy for us in the audience, with the full truth about Sylar right in front of us, to want him to figure it out. And, of course, we’re scared for his safety. But why should Mohinder have been suspicious? Sylar did an excellent, and very scary, job of impersonating Zane. Poor Zane. Finally, a big grin for your attempt to make both Hiro and Ando wrong about the same thing despite having been on opposite sides. ;D
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