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Post by Lola m on Feb 27, 2007 8:32:30 GMT -5
OMGWTFPAPERFACTORY! Sulu is the leader of the baddies! There's no way Hiro's ability can be a coincidence. Either he is adopted, or Sulu is a Machiavellian version of Sylar: just as willing to kill, but only when his goals are compromised. **nods nods nods** Can't be just a coincidence! The vivisection comment was intriquing. What are they doing with the powers, beyond just tracking people and getting rid of the ones that are too troublesome? Stunning episode. And it really worked to focus on just the one storyline this time. Added to the claustrophobic feel of them all hunkered down in the house. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Feb 27, 2007 8:40:16 GMT -5
Wow. Whoa. Some episode, huh? Best flashback plot ever. Is everyone part of the Initiative? That's one big conspiracy, and Hiro's daddy seems to be high up in it. I loved the glimpse of little Hiro. Little Hiro was adorable. And now we know he saw HRG, at least long ago. I wonder if he will recognise him when they meet again (as I'm sure they will). My big question now is, is Linderman part of the company or in another camp! Hard as he tried to make it someone else's fault (You did this to me! No? Well, then you should have fixed me! Can't? Well, then you should have killed me.) because otherwise, it's him that killed his wife and that is just too much for him to take. Of course, I'm paranoid enought to wonder if they did do something to him that caused his radioactivity to increase . . . maybe not even intentionally. **nods** This whole adventure to get Mr. Bennet just kept going worse and worse for him. He tries to do the right thing and yet he also gives in to impulses that turn out oh so badly. And now the Paper Company has him and they don't have a memory erase guy. So, what's going to happen to him? Will it be join us or die? Yep. And now I worry over how much of the memory of just how much he loved his family did Jean Deaux!Angelpants take from him? Is Mr. Bennet back to his starting point? We should start keeping a record of how many times she dies. She's up to 4 now, isn't she? Or is it only 3?
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Post by Rachael on Feb 27, 2007 9:32:44 GMT -5
Wow. Whoa. Some episode, huh? Best flashback plot ever. Is everyone part of the Initiative? That's one big conspiracy, and Hiro's daddy seems to be high up in it. I loved the glimpse of little Hiro. Little Hiro was adorable. And now we know he saw HRG, at least long ago. I wonder if he will recognise him when they meet again (as I'm sure they will). My big question now is, is Linderman part of the company or in another camp! Well, I'd guess if he's with "the company" (which simply HAS to be the government, doesn't it?), then he's playing both sides against the middle - he's got at least one really dangerous hero running around loose, killing people for him, and is using others for less black and white pursuits as well.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Feb 27, 2007 10:46:18 GMT -5
Little Hiro was adorable. And now we know he saw HRG, at least long ago. I wonder if he will recognise him when they meet again (as I'm sure they will). My big question now is, is Linderman part of the company or in another camp! Well, I'd guess if he's with "the company" ( which simply HAS to be the government, doesn't it?), then he's playing both sides against the middle - he's got at least one really dangerous hero running around loose, killing people for him, and is using others for less black and white pursuits as well. I think it's bigger than that. New World Order conspiracy, maybe. Or it could be a Japanese corporation, since Mr Nakamura seemed to be high in the hierarchy.
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Post by Rachael on Feb 27, 2007 10:58:44 GMT -5
Well, I'd guess if he's with "the company" ( which simply HAS to be the government, doesn't it?), then he's playing both sides against the middle - he's got at least one really dangerous hero running around loose, killing people for him, and is using others for less black and white pursuits as well. I think it's bigger than that. New World Order conspiracy, maybe. Or it could be a Japanese corporation, since Mr Nakamura seemed to be high in the hierarchy. True, that. I tend to think of "big corporations" and "government" as the same thing. I still think that Linderman must be running some off-the-books personal stuff, though, if he's one of the Company higher-ups. Or, maybe...the Company wants the folks who work for them to think they're working for some global "protection" agency, say something UN-black helicoptery, when in reality, all they're doing is maintaining a breeding and collection program, eliminating the talents they can't control or find a use for, and grooming/manipulating/forcing the others into working for them. For money and power, as always.
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Post by Sue on Feb 27, 2007 11:23:35 GMT -5
OMGWTFPAPERFACTORY! Sulu is the leader of the baddies! There's no way Hiro's ability can be a coincidence. Either he is adopted, or Sulu is a Machiavellian version of Sylar: just as willing to kill, but only when his goals are compromised. Now, the question remains: what ARE the ultimate goals, exactly? Obviously they want to control the evolutionary process, but what philanthropic end could justify such means? This episode kicked all kinds of booty. It's refreshing to see a long form, ensemble-oriented mystery/sci-fi show that actually PAYS OFF in a clear and unambiguous manner every once in a while.Crisp, smart writing and wonderful acting...especially Jack Coleman, Christopher Eccleston (no surprise there) and my man Greg Grunberg! Not that Greg Grunberg and I know each other or anything. I just love the fact that he's being given a chance to shine. On a purely superficial note...while Eric Roberts is well-cast in this role, he sure does look bad. If homeboy got some work done, I hope he kept the receipt. That's what hard living will do, I guess. Amen! Eetah! Indeed! ITA! Preach it brother! (J.J.---are you listening?) [indulging my altern-BtVS passion: See, that's exactly what I love so much about the Miles Vorkosigan books. They friggin' resolve stuff at the end of each book before starting up a new round!]
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Post by Sue on Feb 27, 2007 11:25:17 GMT -5
Jotting a few things down as I scroll thru the first 6 pages.
re jeff and rich's comments about HRG's memory wipe and potentially hunting Claire down: son Tom commented on the irony and emotional pain potential in that scenario----he request/requires the memory wipe as part of his plan to both protect Claire, and stay alive. But should they come face-to-face in the future she will know what their relationship was even tho he won't. It's positively Jossian.
Matthew---regarding everyone's exposure to Ted's radioactivity, here is my wank: While out in the dessert Ted learned some control over his "talent." Notice that when not emotionally rattled he could actually control whether he "flamed on" or not. So, (here's the wank) maybe he has learned to control his output of radioactivity. Perhaps he doesn't emit radiation unless he loses control? Unlike when he was unaware and not in control and killed his wife via low levels of radiation emission. (Also, recall she lived with him for a fair while before she died so even then it was pretty low levels. I'm thinking back in the scene when Matt and FBI lady were wearing the badges the radioactivity level ramped up more quickly because he was upset.)
I missed the previews and given the comments you all have made, maybe I won't go seek them out.
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Post by artemis on Feb 27, 2007 12:56:15 GMT -5
wow. wow. (i can't stop saying wow tonight!) HRG just keeps getting a darker shade of grey. Seriously? The way tonight's show ended, he seemed about as light a gray as he could get. I was amazed. AWESOME roller-coaster ride in the last two acts... keep in mind i posted that before the end! ;D such is what happens when nbc runs shows till 3 past the hour.
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Post by Jan on Feb 27, 2007 13:02:15 GMT -5
So let's all hate the non-Mohinder previouslies... Mr. Neglected Muggles. So ted is melting his way in... This has GOT to leave some radiation behind, even if he's got it clean enough that he's just emitting neutrinos. Thank god Janice is pregnant, as Matt's not gonna have a motile sperm cell ever again. Matt, you KNOW what the right course of action regarding capturing Bennett is: you are NOT doing it. Claire has pretty much blown her cover. Bennett didn't do anything to either of you. Matt trying to defuse things... 15 years back.. So who's Bennett's boss? he looks familiar. This is 1992? Partner to keep him honest. CLAUDE!!!! So that's how they know each other. REALLY blown cover. Oh, Claire, you are SO busted... Step away from the radioactive man... Well, Claire's safe, but everyone else in the room is screwed. Huh. This means that Ted has a sort of subset of Claire's power in addition to the radioactivity. Otherwise he'd be deadydeaddead. Julia Robert's big brother Eric. You only know that cuz I told you. He appears to have had some of those unfortunate "let us make you look younger" operations. ETA Brainshare with Rob. Yeah, I hope he kept the receipt. Also, this was a spectacular episode. I hope the LOST writers were taking notes about how to make you spend a whole hour going WOW and WTF and still have a feeling of satisfaction at the end. Real edge-of-the-seat stuff. I give it 5 thumbs up.
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Post by artemis on Feb 27, 2007 13:17:51 GMT -5
Like it matters; everyone but Claire is gonna be dead of radiation poisioning in a week or two anyway. And should we just call her "Connor" from now on? Except, of course, that SHE still remembers even if no one else does. Yeah. And that strikes me as being very lonely. I wonder, can Jean Deaux / Angelpants put memories back, that he's taken? he told claire in a previous episode that he couldn't, right? (didn't she ask him to do that to zach?) it doesn't seem like he would lie to her.
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Post by Karen on Feb 27, 2007 14:30:29 GMT -5
Jotting a few things down as I scroll thru the first 6 pages. re jeff and rich's comments about HRG's memory wipe and potentially hunting Claire down: son Tom commented on the irony and emotional pain potential in that scenario----he request/requires the memory wipe as part of his plan to both protect Claire, and stay alive. But should they come face-to-face in the future she will know what their relationship was even tho he won't. It's positively Jossian. Matthew---regarding everyone's exposure to Ted's radioactivity, here is my wank: While out in the dessert Ted learned some control over his "talent." Notice that when not emotionally rattled he could actually control whether he "flamed on" or not. So, (here's the wank) maybe he has learned to control his output of radioactivity. Perhaps he doesn't emit radiation unless he loses control? Unlike when he was unaware and not in control and killed his wife via low levels of radiation emission. (Also, recall she lived with him for a fair while before she died so even then it was pretty low levels. I'm thinking back in the scene when Matt and FBI lady were wearing the badges the radioactivity level ramped up more quickly because he was upset.) I missed the previews and given the comments you all have made, maybe I won't go seek them out. That was the wank I had going on in my head. Ted learned how to contain the radiation - also, he looked like he was somewhat controlling the heat at the beginning, since the first blast that Matt felt should have singed him . Plus, Claire did not lose her hair or eyebrows. Ted was emitting energy that had no heat or radiation. I have no idea if that is physically possible.
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Post by Pixi on Feb 27, 2007 14:45:23 GMT -5
Just adding my etah to all the praises being poured out on this episode. That was an amazing, intense, fantastic hour of television. Superb acting, revelations, suspense, heartbreaking drama . . . . . . bravo!
This show and Supernatural are just kicking all kinds of acting/storywriting ass this season.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Feb 27, 2007 15:09:23 GMT -5
Just adding my etah to all the praises being poured out on this episode. That was an amazing, intense, fantastic hour of television. Superb acting, revelations, suspense, heartbreaking drama . . . . . . bravo! This show and Supernatural are just kicking all kinds of acting/storywriting ass this season. Eetah that. Am I the only one who got sniffly at the end? I really felt sorry for Mr Bennet; he tried so hard to protect his daughter, even if his methods were, shall we say, questionable, and poor Claire - she's having to grow up so fast.
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Post by Pixi on Feb 27, 2007 15:56:14 GMT -5
Just adding my etah to all the praises being poured out on this episode. That was an amazing, intense, fantastic hour of television. Superb acting, revelations, suspense, heartbreaking drama . . . . . . bravo! This show and Supernatural are just kicking all kinds of acting/storywriting ass this season. Eetah that. Am I the only one who got sniffly at the end? I really felt sorry for Mr Bennet; he tried so hard to protect his daughter, even if his methods were, shall we say, questionable, and poor Claire - she's having to grow up so fast. No - I'm reading sniffly reactions all over the place. In lj and in reviews. So sniffly was the mode. I think I was too tired to be sniffly - my Broadway Babies class wears me out but I was sad.
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Post by Sue on Feb 27, 2007 16:40:42 GMT -5
Just adding my etah to all the praises being poured out on this episode. That was an amazing, intense, fantastic hour of television. Superb acting, revelations, suspense, heartbreaking drama . . . . . . bravo! This show and Supernatural are just kicking all kinds of acting/storywriting ass this season. Eetah that. Am I the only one who got sniffly at the end? I really felt sorry for Mr Bennet; he tried so hard to protect his daughter, even if his methods were, shall we say, questionable, and poor Claire - she's having to grow up so fast. Wondering if/when we'll see Daddy Bennet again? Seems pretty likely. Should be an interesting confrontation. In the earlier episodes Jack Coleman (the actor) was listed as "guesting". I'm trying to recall if he was ever listed as a regular? 3 more thoughts: --If we see Daddy Bennet again I am left to really wonder exactly what memories have been removed? It didn't seem like the process was terribly exact. And it was memories, not emotions, so it's not like J.D. (Matthew's name for the Haitian) could just take his love of Claire, but not he memories. So what happens when Mr. Bennet goes home and Mom and Brother still remember all about Claire, even her unique ability? I'm guessing this will be a loose end we won't be privy to. --Someone speculated that Mr. B started to love baby Claire when she smiled (was that smile computer manipulated? it looked totally weird on the baby) at him. I'd have to rewatch to see why I did NOT get that impression. I'd have said it was during the scene where she helps him choose his glasses and when he puts the final pair on she says "you look like my dad!" Kudos to the writers for working in the horn-rimmed glasses as a plot point and to the filmers and make-up people for so convincingly making people look younger. --It's such a HUGE cast. But, so far at least, they've done a decent job at jumping back and forth between regulars AND making each storyline interesting enough that we aren't complaing too much about who we aren't seeing.
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