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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 5, 2007 10:36:32 GMT -5
Coda
Ah, he injected The Man With No Name instead. What exactly is TMWNN's motivation? I don't get it.
Sylar/Nathan outs himself.
Brother vs. Brother. It's almost biblical. Hee.
Fighting, fighting. And then my recording cut off. NO!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 5, 2007 10:37:25 GMT -5
The TWOP recap is right. Everyone is hotter in the future. I also think they should have kept the original episode title "String Theory."
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 5, 2007 10:39:31 GMT -5
I wish I had a rock that big.... no.. huh.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 5, 2007 10:54:56 GMT -5
I gotta say, I thought the episode was good, but I'm not blown away like most of the rest of you are.
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Post by Lola m on May 7, 2007 13:20:27 GMT -5
The TWOP recap is right. Everyone is hotter in the future. I agree.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 10, 2007 20:09:51 GMT -5
Great review, Erin.
*Wow, I missed a lot of detail in this episode.
*Love the connection to Choose Your Own Adventure.
*Claire was using her mom's name? Her birth mother's or her foster mother's?
*"Adrian Pasdar did an excellent job of giving us little clues to his �real� identity in this episode; the most telling was in Isaac�s loft when he said: �I understand how things work,� followed by music that ticked, just a little."
Whoa.
*"Love the increasing parallels between Sylar and Peter; when Sylar says that they are �brother against brother� and how it�s �almost biblical� (including the Apocalypse, if what we saw of their fight is any indication), it�s not really about Sylar�s guise as Nathan; Nathan isn�t the Cain to Peter�s Abel and never has been; Sylar is. Then again, the first episode was called �Genesis,� so what do you expect?"
Hmm...
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Post by Lola m on May 13, 2007 11:59:56 GMT -5
Erin!!!!! Another most excellent use of quotes and a great review! Heh! Clockwork Orange. Makes me wonder what happened to Linderman in the 5 years into his world (loved the title of your review, by the by). The fact that he is not seen makes me think his big plan kind of exploded in his face (pun intended). Gee, what a surprise! I mean, if this is his "better world" . . . ooog! OMG, how much did I love your comparison to the "Choose Your Own Adventure" books! I read them, not as a kid, but as a young grown-up (I have this enjoyment of kid books still ) and can you guess how I used to read them? Why, going thru every single possibility, of course. A nimble use of placeholding fingers will let you take one path to an end and then back up to each fork in the road, playing that out too. Not going backwards so much as taking each possible path. So much fun! But I've said before that my favorite stories are "what if this happened instead of this". I consider "what if" stories to be the beating heart of Science Fiction, one of my literary loves from my youngest reading days. And so of course I identify and empathise with Hiro. The ability to do just that, only with reality? How tempting! And yet, how incredibly difficult! The threads are so complicated, hold so many possibilities. If I change this thing, how does it change the others? How do you find the right wrong turn? And I think you identify the true answer - communication! Without complete and accurate communication everyone will be like future!Hiro, as you put it ; Our gang is going to keep tripping over their own best intentions unless they get some clear understanding and form a plan! I very much agree with you that having Sylar impersonate Nathan was most intriguing. Since Peter and Sylar keep being compared and contrasted, matching up Sylar and Nathan makes us take a deeper look at Nathan himself. (Loved how you pointed out their mutual need to be "special". Nathan would say he doesn't want to be "special" by having powers, he'd rather forget they exist; but he does want to be special. And each of them had a mother who "encouraged" that desire.) The Nathan is Sylar thing also gave the final showdown between him and Peter a particularly scary/creepy vibe, too, eh? Great points about the corruption from the top down and how it is only when the gang moves from isolation to connection that things are brought to a head. I keep thinking about the Haitian. We saw him taken away from home at a pretty young age, but not as a baby - so he knows what his life was like before. What has his life been like since? How was he raised? How did he meet Mrs. P? He's survived, but how has he been changed? And most importantly of all, what is really going on in his head? He is the ultimate example of a lack of communication. He can speak, but he doesn't. Not even Matt can read his thoughts, he is completely hidden. Finally, yes, everyone is hotter in the future, and dang - what is up with Deveaux Building? I think/hope we may learn more about the departed Mr. Deveaux and daughter . . . Again, kudos for the review, Erin!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 23, 2007 11:02:07 GMT -5
Oyceter in lj land had an post about Hiro's dialog in this episode. Brief language notes: our Hiro refers to himself as "boku" (for those who aren't anime/manga fans, this is the somewhat younger and less aggressive sounding male pronoun for "I") whereas future Hiro refers to himself as "ore" (super masculine "I"). Future Hiro also addresses Ando as "omae" (super masculine "you"), and I never caught him actually referring to Ando by name, so I'm not sure if he dropped the "-kun" from "Ando-kun" or not (our Hiro calls him "Ando-kun," dropping the -kun would indicate more intimacy, though adding a -san would indicate less). Our Hiro calls Ando "kimi" in the beginning and probably does throughout the show (more polite, less macho).
But! When future Hiro starts talking to Ando and mentions that "it wasn't as fun without you," he switches over from "omae" to "kimi" (more intimate, less masculine)! Awwwww!
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Post by Queen E on May 24, 2007 22:36:33 GMT -5
Great review, Erin. *Wow, I missed a lot of detail in this episode. *Love the connection to Choose Your Own Adventure. *Claire was using her mom's name? Her birth mother's or her foster mother's? *"Adrian Pasdar did an excellent job of giving us little clues to his �real� identity in this episode; the most telling was in Isaac�s loft when he said: �I understand how things work,� followed by music that ticked, just a little." Whoa. *"Love the increasing parallels between Sylar and Peter; when Sylar says that they are �brother against brother� and how it�s �almost biblical� (including the Apocalypse, if what we saw of their fight is any indication), it�s not really about Sylar�s guise as Nathan; Nathan isn�t the Cain to Peter�s Abel and never has been; Sylar is. Then again, the first episode was called �Genesis,� so what do you expect?" Hmm... So glad you enjoyed it! The "mom" in question was her adoptive mom; Mrs. Bennet's first name is Sandra. It's those little touches that reward a viewer, you know? Thanks again for commenting; sorry for the delay in responding!
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Post by Queen E on May 24, 2007 22:47:31 GMT -5
Erin!!!!! Another most excellent use of quotes and a great review! Thanks, Lola! And so sorry for the delay; I was in academic hell. Couldn't help myself...with the McDowellness of it all! And now we know what happened to Linderman, and oh how presient you are, Ms. Lola! It was an eye-poppingly bad idea, to be sure. (Sorry.) Well, of course; I still collect children's books that I read a million years ago, and they are so worth re-reading. Bridge to Terebithia, Ramona Quimby...hell, even a good Choose Your Own Adventure. And yeah, I would totally cheat. But I do love those kind of "oops, I stepped on a butterfly...look what happened" kind of narratives to. Hiro's "strings" were so reminiscent of that... Well, exactly! And the enormous amount of pressure to get it right, to find that one moment...and the disappointment in knowing that in fact he did change something, and the world still sucks. Poor Future!Hiro; so hot, so sad. Yeah, what is the deal with mothers on "Heroes"? It's starting to bug me more than a little; it's retro in a bad way...kind of like the idea of the "refrigerator mother" creating schizophrenic children. Let's hope we're getting a bit more of a balance next season. I mean, even Niki was problematically portrayed. Kring! Get a clue! Understand I'm not saying every woman has to be perfect, but still...for all the "bad dads" in the Whedonverse, you had Giles and (sort of) Angel and...OK, maybe that needed a little more balance as well. Word. Yes, I'm hoping we get some backstory on him soon! He is very intriguing, and manages to keep us in suspense of who he really is without saying a word. Hee! Well, your wish has been granted! And thank you! I'm hoping to get to "Landslide" in the next few days!
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Post by Queen E on May 24, 2007 22:48:16 GMT -5
Oyceter in lj land had an post about Hiro's dialog in this episode. Brief language notes: our Hiro refers to himself as "boku" (for those who aren't anime/manga fans, this is the somewhat younger and less aggressive sounding male pronoun for "I") whereas future Hiro refers to himself as "ore" (super masculine "I"). Future Hiro also addresses Ando as "omae" (super masculine "you"), and I never caught him actually referring to Ando by name, so I'm not sure if he dropped the "-kun" from "Ando-kun" or not (our Hiro calls him "Ando-kun," dropping the -kun would indicate more intimacy, though adding a -san would indicate less). Our Hiro calls Ando "kimi" in the beginning and probably does throughout the show (more polite, less macho).
But! When future Hiro starts talking to Ando and mentions that "it wasn't as fun without you," he switches over from "omae" to "kimi" (more intimate, less masculine)! Awwwww!Very cool! Thanks for the info, Liz!
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Post by Lola m on May 26, 2007 11:30:25 GMT -5
Oyceter in lj land had an post about Hiro's dialog in this episode. Brief language notes: our Hiro refers to himself as "boku" (for those who aren't anime/manga fans, this is the somewhat younger and less aggressive sounding male pronoun for "I") whereas future Hiro refers to himself as "ore" (super masculine "I"). Future Hiro also addresses Ando as "omae" (super masculine "you"), and I never caught him actually referring to Ando by name, so I'm not sure if he dropped the "-kun" from "Ando-kun" or not (our Hiro calls him "Ando-kun," dropping the -kun would indicate more intimacy, though adding a -san would indicate less). Our Hiro calls Ando "kimi" in the beginning and probably does throughout the show (more polite, less macho).
But! When future Hiro starts talking to Ando and mentions that "it wasn't as fun without you," he switches over from "omae" to "kimi" (more intimate, less masculine)! Awwwww!Awwwww! I'm really glad to get this info. It makes for a deeper understanding of their characters and relationship. And it's also really sweet. **huggles Hiro and Ando**
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Post by Lola m on May 26, 2007 11:33:55 GMT -5
Erin!!!!! Another most excellent use of quotes and a great review! **snortle** Mmmmmmm. Future!Hiro. He's sweet-hot. Like mustard. Um. That made sense in my head before I typed it . . . Me too!! The character has such potential and is so mysterious right now! Yays!
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