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Post by Shan on May 22, 2007 11:03:05 GMT -5
Oh, and "Save the cheerleader, save the world" was future-dead-Hiro's tagline that he made up to go back and tell Peter when he stopped the subway train. Future-dead-Hiro's spiderweb timeline in Isaac's loft pointed back to preventing Sylar from snurching Claire's regenerative powers in order to keep Sylar physically vulerable enough to be killed as shown in the Isaac comic as he'd seen. Point being that "Save the cheerleader, save the world" wasn't so much the actual clear thing that happened in the season finale for THIS universe.
I'm looking forward to the Tokyo "Yankee" in Go-minuzoo's Court fun in September.
September. Dayum.
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Post by Shan on May 22, 2007 11:09:46 GMT -5
I think the cockroach is the new boogeyman and that it wasn't Sylar examining the cockroach when he was in the holding tank at Primatech, it was actually the cockroach examining Sylar. I'm guessing Sylar actually IS dead and the cockroach-boogeyman is doing something with Sylar's blood. I mean, we haven't had a TRUE shape-shifter yet, have we? Silly Shan. I think. It's hard to tell. Your sarcastic voice sounds so much like your ordinary voice. No, really! Mostly, anyway. I DO think Sylar is dead, though. If the S2 boogeyman can "see" Molly when she sees him, maybe that's its power: being able to "be" in whoever s/he/it wants to and either see with or actually act through them, like possessing them temporarily? What if s/he/it can choose any creature, even a cockroach? <edit> Which, to me, is actually kind of scarier than Sylar. And what if it absorbed something from Sylar before he died? Also, what were the flashes in Sylar's dying eyes?
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Post by Rachael on May 22, 2007 11:23:07 GMT -5
Silly Shan. I think. It's hard to tell. Your sarcastic voice sounds so much like your ordinary voice. No, really! Mostly, anyway. I DO think Sylar is dead, though. If the S2 boogeyman can "see" Molly when she sees him, maybe that's its power: being able to "be" in whoever s/he/it wants to and either see with or actually act through them, like possessing them temporarily? What if s/he/it can choose any creature, even a cockroach? And what if it absorbed something from Sylar before he died? What were the flashes in Sylar's dying eyes? I thought it was a vision of the future. And I don't think Sylar is dead. It was VERY comic-booky in the "the villain isn't really dead" way, and the damned cockroach has been symbolic of Sylar since early on. Meh.
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Post by Shan on May 22, 2007 11:34:36 GMT -5
No, really! Mostly, anyway. I DO think Sylar is dead, though. If the S2 boogeyman can "see" Molly when she sees him, maybe that's its power: being able to "be" in whoever s/he/it wants to and either see with or actually act through them, like possessing them temporarily? What if s/he/it can choose any creature, even a cockroach? And what if it absorbed something from Sylar before he died? What were the flashes in Sylar's dying eyes? I thought it was a vision of the future. And I don't think Sylar is dead. It was VERY comic-booky in the "the villain isn't really dead" way, and the damned cockroach has been symbolic of Sylar since early on. Meh. That could be true, too! I've never read comic books, except for the new BSG ones. I just think there's going to be a new and worse-than-Sylar boogeyman, like Molly said. Because....what if the cockroach hasn't been symbolic of Sylar since early on but has actually been WATCHING him since early on? Cockroaches are EVERYWHERE, right? And they're not parasites, like Sylar was, living off the host, to the host's detriment. They're just...THERE. All the time... What if the boogey-roach was watching Sylar because it was afraid of Sylar for some reason? Or maybe just curious...? And now that Sylar's dead...it's time to make its move! Bwahaha! (that was my silly voice, by the way)
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Post by Sara on May 22, 2007 12:04:46 GMT -5
Silly Shan. I think. It's hard to tell. Your sarcastic voice sounds so much like your ordinary voice. No, really! Mostly, anyway. I DO think Sylar is dead, though. If the S2 boogeyman can "see" Molly when she sees him, maybe that's its power: being able to "be" in whoever s/he/it wants to and either see with or actually act through them, like possessing them temporarily? What if s/he/it can choose any creature, even a cockroach? <edit> Which, to me, is actually kind of scarier than Sylar. And what if it absorbed something from Sylar before he died? Also, what were the flashes in Sylar's dying eyes?One review said they were glimpses of all the people he'd killed. I remember seeing his mother in there, but otherwise I'm honestly not sure if that's accurate or not.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 22, 2007 12:18:43 GMT -5
No, really! Mostly, anyway. I DO think Sylar is dead, though. If the S2 boogeyman can "see" Molly when she sees him, maybe that's its power: being able to "be" in whoever s/he/it wants to and either see with or actually act through them, like possessing them temporarily? What if s/he/it can choose any creature, even a cockroach? <edit> Which, to me, is actually kind of scarier than Sylar. And what if it absorbed something from Sylar before he died? Also, what were the flashes in Sylar's dying eyes?One review said they were glimpses of all the people he'd killed. I remember seeing his mother in there, but otherwise I'm honestly not sure if that's accurate or not. I'll have to watch it again, but at the time I thought they were the people whose brains/minds/powers he'd taken. Maybe their souls were being released. Don't mind me, I have Buffy on the brain. I keep thinking about Buffy and her vision in "Restless", where the First Slayer tells her that she is filled with love and that it will bring her to her gift.
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Post by Shan on May 22, 2007 12:33:13 GMT -5
No, really! Mostly, anyway. I DO think Sylar is dead, though. If the S2 boogeyman can "see" Molly when she sees him, maybe that's its power: being able to "be" in whoever s/he/it wants to and either see with or actually act through them, like possessing them temporarily? What if s/he/it can choose any creature, even a cockroach? <edit> Which, to me, is actually kind of scarier than Sylar. And what if it absorbed something from Sylar before he died? Also, what were the flashes in Sylar's dying eyes?One review said they were glimpses of all the people he'd killed. I remember seeing his mother in there, but otherwise I'm honestly not sure if that's accurate or not. What if it was the boogey-roach seeing everything Sylar had seen? <edit> Yes, sorry. I've got this thing about the 'roach. I'm sure I'll get over it.
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Post by Shan on May 22, 2007 12:34:53 GMT -5
One review said they were glimpses of all the people he'd killed. I remember seeing his mother in there, but otherwise I'm honestly not sure if that's accurate or not. I'll have to watch it again, but at the time I thought they were the people whose brains/minds/powers he'd taken. Maybe their souls were being released. Don't mind me, I have Buffy on the brain. I keep thinking about Buffy and her vision in "Restless", where the First Slayer tells her that she is filled with love and that it will bring her to her gift. That's kind of one of the places where I was, too.
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Post by Queen E on May 22, 2007 14:20:58 GMT -5
Personally, I think that the presence of so many superheroes at once is what set Peter off; of the powers he didn't have already, add Niki's superstrength, Molly's tracking ability, Micah's machine power, and DL's phasing. Add that to the emotional component of what administering a beatdown of that magnitude would be, and ka-bloom.
Still, I liked it. And I don't think Peter's dead, not with Claire's regenerative ability; he can go supernova without compromising his bodily integrity...Ted did, in "Company Man."
Nathan? I'm not so sure.
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Post by Rob on May 22, 2007 14:47:34 GMT -5
I enjoyed the finale immensely; could've used a bit more of a slam-bang finish, but for the most part...they managed to get almost every hero involved in the final battle with Sylar. Probably can't ask much more than that, since this IS "Heroes," after all, rather than "Peter Fights While Everyone Else Watches." :-)
From a completely selfish point of view, I'd be very displeased if Matt Parkman were killed off, because I love Greg Grunberg so much. I've been rooting for him to have a chance to show his true range of talent for years, and this show has finally given him the opportunity.
Oh, and I truly hope Sylar is gone. Zachary Quinto did a fantastic job in the role, but there's only so much I can handle. As Faith might say, dude is wicked creepy.
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Post by Queen E on May 22, 2007 14:57:06 GMT -5
I enjoyed the finale immensely; could've used a bit more of a slam-bang finish, but for the most part...they managed to get almost every hero involved in the final battle with Sylar. Probably can't ask much more than that, since this IS "Heroes," after all, rather than "Peter Fights While Everyone Else Watches." :-) From a completely selfish point of view, I'd be very displeased if Matt Parkman were killed off, because I love Greg Grunberg so much. I've been rooting for him to have a chance to show his true range of talent for years, and this show has finally given him the opportunity. Oh, and I truly hope Sylar is gone. Zachary Quinto did a fantastic job in the role, but there's only so much I can handle. As Faith might say, dude is wicked creepy. Dude. You crack my shit up.
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Post by Shan on May 22, 2007 15:03:38 GMT -5
I enjoyed the finale immensely; could've used a bit more of a slam-bang finish, but for the most part...they managed to get almost every hero involved in the final battle with Sylar. Probably can't ask much more than that, since this IS "Heroes," after all, rather than "Peter Fights While Everyone Else Watches." :-) From a completely selfish point of view, I'd be very displeased if Matt Parkman were killed off, because I love Greg Grunberg so much. I've been rooting for him to have a chance to show his true range of talent for years, and this show has finally given him the opportunity. Oh, and I truly hope Sylar is gone. Zachary Quinto did a fantastic job in the role, but there's only so much I can handle. As Faith might say, dude is wicked creepy. Dude. You crack my shit up. Also, I would have liked to see Sylar get more of the crap beat out of him, even if it was for Peter to thump him a few more times with his new Niki-power.
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Post by Vlad on May 22, 2007 15:04:23 GMT -5
I've wondered that myself. If so, then he probably would have survived even if they had cut off his head. Personally, I didn't have a problem with Sylar surviving. It's a classic comic book thing to do, and it points to the mistake folks who've seen part of the future tend to make: interpretation. In the comic we see Hiro stab Sylar and think "that's it, the guy's dead," just as we saw a painting of Hiro facing off with a dinosaur and immediately figured he somehow got transported to the past. But in truth, all the comic illustration told us was that Hiro was going to stab Sylar; that Sylar subsequently died of the wound was an assumption on our part (and Isaac's and Hiro's parts, for that matter), just like when we thought time travel was the only way Hiro could run into a dinosaur. Besides, don't forget the comic book also showed us a very dead Ando—and obviously that part didn't come true; myself, I'm not sure it'd be fair of me to be pissed about one part of the comic not coming true when I'm elated another was also proved erroneous. Hell, maybe that's the reason Sylar didn't die; because he wasn't full of the rage that would have come if his friend had been murdered, Hiro didn't use as much force and violence in delivering that blow as his other self likely would have—resulting in Sylar being mostly dead instead of look-through-his-pockets-for-loose-change dead. Most excellent observations about assuming facts not totally in evidence. Or extrapolating situations from minimal facts leading to erroneous conclusions. Also, thanks for the comments reminding us that Ted could harm those around him without blowing himself up. I do have another question about Peter, though. How many other powers has he absorbed that we don't know about? Does the other person have to be "exhibiting" for him to absorb. He's been near his mom (what is her power?) and Simone's father and who knows how many random "freaks" in crowds. Peter picked up Claire's talent casually. Vlad
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Post by Queen E on May 22, 2007 15:16:40 GMT -5
Most excellent observations about assuming facts not totally in evidence. Or extrapolating situations from minimal facts leading to erroneous conclusions. Also, thanks for the comments reminding us that Ted could harm those around him without blowing himself up. I do have another question about Peter, though. How many other powers has he absorbed that we don't know about? Does the other person have to be "exhibiting" for him to absorb. He's been near his mom (what is her power?) and Simone's father and who knows how many random "freaks" in crowds. Peter picked up Claire's talent casually. Vlad Questions I want answers to/plotlines resolved next season: 1. Did Papa Petrelli have a power? And what is Mama Petrelli's power? 2. Was Peter ever exposed to Linderman? 3. Where is Claude? I want MORE Claude next season. Especially if, as indicated by the title card "Generations" at the end of the episode, we are going to "go back" and see Linderman, the elder Petrellis, Hiro's dad, and Shaft. 4. If Charles had a power, does that mean Simone did too? Or was he just part of an organization of interest, so to speak. 5. Season Finale, re: Peter: "How Do You Stop an Exploding Man?"; will the season premiere be: "How Do You Survive a Huge Sword Through the Chest?"
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Post by Queen E on May 22, 2007 15:19:35 GMT -5
Forgot this one: Now that Mr. Bennet has a name, will The Haitian be given one too? And why wasn't he at Kirby Plaza? That would have made a huge amount of sense; neither Sylar nor Peter would have been able to use their power. Then again, Mama Petrelli probably thought of that and sent him away, since they wanted it to happen.
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