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Post by Lola m on Nov 9, 2007 8:21:42 GMT -5
it's a good thing momo's pretty, 'cause i suspect that otherwise someone would have gotten frustrated enough with him to kill him by this point. ;D His pretty always distracts them from the killing blow, eh? Yes. Yes I can see that. ;D Seriously! Especially a teen who's already come back from more injuries and death than you can shake a stick at, had her memory wiped, learned shocking revelations about her family and her world, gone off on her own to try and save the world, and actually been part of the team that succeeded. I can't imagine why he thought a "I'm the dad, do what I say" stance would work. Much agreement! Both in the dream world and then when she woke up. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Nov 9, 2007 8:31:53 GMT -5
The numbers thing? Very intriguing and twisty. I hadn't thought of it that way, of them as matching in that way. Excellent observation! Both sides of a rather icky coin, aren't they? Well, and also it has to be fairly soon, because he has the nose bandage on, doesn't he? So, where in the timeline does the the possibly dead/dying/wounded Mr. BB fall? It might have no direct connection to MoMo and his angry gun stance. In the series of eight paintings, Mohinder holding the gun is 7/8 and Mr. Bennet with a bullet in his glasses is 8/8. So we got to see at least three of the paintings come to life in this episode: Niki banging her fists against a door, Peter and a man looking through a window with a "biohazard" warning visible in the reflection, and Hiro and Kensei dueling it out. Which were, in order, 4, 5 and 6 in the series. For those of you playing the home game, the painting of Kaito's death that Noah showed Sandra was 1/8, Claire lying "dead" on the steps of the high school was 2/8, and an image of a man holding a vial was 3/8. Also? Tim Sale says "I should add that for most of this series of paintings, I was not told that they were recovered Isaac paintings, and so I was inking them a bit differently, assuming Peter was doing them. OOPS." Thanks!! I never remember to either pause the screen long enough to note these kind of details or go look online later to read the wiki or other resources. The fact that Mohinder shooting and the man with the bullet in his glasses are next to each other in order does suggest a cause and effect. But we've also seen how the paintings can appear to show us one thing and the reality can have a different spin. I find it interesting that Claire and West's little "game" was important enough to be part of the series. Because this deception led her dad to discovering what she's been up to? Just how important is this moment in the chain of events?
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Post by Lola m on Nov 9, 2007 8:43:42 GMT -5
So, this evening, I was having a chat with Sara about "Life" and the various aspects of its storytelling, when a tangent got us discussing "Heroes" I present to you, with Sara's permission, that conversation so that you may all stare in awe at our smartitude tell us how you think we are both full of horse-hockey join us with your own opinions on the issues and storytelling elements we discussed. Sara: In a recent interview, Tim Kring says he "regrets sticking Claire (Hayden Panettiere) with a super-dud boyfriend and forcing Hiro to moon over a cutesy princess. 'I've seen more convincing romances on TV,' he admits. 'In retrospect, I don't think romance is a natural fit for us.'" Sara: I'd argue romance can work fine for them, as long as they have chemistry and time to develop a relationship. Matthew: Huh. I don't know if I disagree. I thought that the thing with the swordsmith's daughter was that she was more plot device than character and romantic interest. **nods** The problem with the romance in the past story is that not enough screen time or exposition was given to make us feel the passing of time, get to know each character in relation to each other, etc. Make it believeable. **nods again** And all of that annoying behavior was being presented to us as his "charm" and his "angst" - and both suppposedly would be reasons why Claire gets interested in him. Which is just, um, no! **nods** And, to continue in the "last season" vein, I always felt the zing and the connection between Nikki and D.L. I could see them as a couple, all passion and love as well as the longer term married togetherness and care for their son, etc. Oh, totally!! Because he was so drawn to that and happy about it at first! And actually . . . . I could see him thinking that he is that hero, even while creating plans that are very very not good, not realizing how he's twisted things as the centuries go by . . . Sort of an extension of West's "we're better than everyone else so it's OK if we play around with the boring normals a bit". Heeee! I gotta get a laptop so I can chat more live while the shows are on. ;D
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Post by Karen on Nov 9, 2007 13:22:05 GMT -5
Heeee! I gotta get a laptop so I can chat more live while the shows are on. ;D
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Post by Sara on Nov 9, 2007 15:28:08 GMT -5
Heeee! I gotta get a laptop so I can chat more live while the shows are on. ;D Oh, most definitely.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 11, 2007 8:19:52 GMT -5
Teaser
Drugged up Hiro? Oh no!
Kensei becomes the villain of the story.
Greatest Hero Japan as ever known. Unless you know the rest of the story.
The paintings are all about Daddy Bennett.
Burning the paintings. They sure burn pretty.
Peter and Caitlin in the future. Attacked by HazMat team.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 11, 2007 8:28:32 GMT -5
Part I
Mama Bennett invites West in just like she invited Sylar in.
Claire is disenchanted with West. But she still stays with him.
Half-truths and manipulation, never the truth.
So Matt can project thoughts too, he just hasn't learned how yet.
Kakeo rescues herself and Hiro, yay.
Ooh, shirtless, wet Peter.
Peter's death certificate.
March 20th 2007. Oh right, the timeline. So when is The Now exactly? In March, I guess? The Shanti virus. 93% population killed.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 11, 2007 8:37:40 GMT -5
Part II
Matt's Daddy Issues.
DL!
Adam is controlling Daddy Parkman.
Linderman was also Adam's minion.
Mama Petrelli! She's alive in the future! And he tells him the truth. Nathan died in the first outbreak.
Mama Petrelli brings back Peter's memories. Is that her power then or what? She counteracts MWNN?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 11, 2007 8:46:26 GMT -5
Part III
West finds out that Daddy Bennett has horned rimmed glasses.
Hiro still believes in Kensei. I'm not so sure that Kensei's heart is good on the inside.
So... DL wasn't really dead?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 11, 2007 8:51:56 GMT -5
Part IV
Yay, Molly's awake! Or not.
Matt trapped his dad.
Oh, they are all trapped. Hilarity ensues.
You left; all you have are your nightmares.
Hey, it worked! Whoo hoo!
Peter goes back to present, but leaves Caitlin in the future. That bites.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 11, 2007 9:02:54 GMT -5
Coda
Kakeo deems that Hiro is Kensei. She promises to tell the stories.
Hiro and Ando reunite. Aww...
Hiro learns his dad is dead.
Suresh's next assignment is to abduct Claire?
Daddy Bennett wants to move the family again. Claire rebels.
Kensei is Adam. dun Dun DUN!!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 11, 2007 9:03:49 GMT -5
I like that Matt got a better storyline this season, because I really like Greg Gunberg.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 11, 2007 9:06:33 GMT -5
Today's fun Heroes fact: Ashley Crow, the wonderful actress who portrays Sandra Bennet, is married to Matthew John Armstrong, who played Ted Sprague. Adds a whole other dimension to those scenes in the Bennet home when Ted was threatening to shoot Sandra, don't it? Interesting...
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 11, 2007 9:48:25 GMT -5
But...if Kensei/Adam is really evil, or playing a long game for revenge, then why pair him with Peter? Peter and Hiro both represent the conscience. So to have Kensei/Adam paired with both? I don't think that's an accident. Here's what I'm really curious about, and I know it's already been answered last season, but two blondes with regenerative ability? Is Claire really a Petrelli? Or is she really Kensei's daughter? I know! The blonde thing really got me thinking about Kensei being the grandfather of all the heroes, actually. Rachael mentioned a few episodes back how that possibility really made sense f- from a genetic point of view. When Peter got the note from 'Adam', that got me thinking about the whole Kensei being Adam - as in an Adam and Eve, Adam. I love the collective S'cubie brain. Peter is going to have to got back to the future to get the Irish girl. She's stuck there with that virus. color=red]Hopefully, if he does manage to bring her back she isn't infected. [/color][/quote] Ooh! What if it's another one of those full circle things?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 11, 2007 9:49:41 GMT -5
Another tidbit about the paintings is that Tim Sale was given a few references from which to draw. The paintings of Niki and Mohinder, for example, were based on photos of the actors enacting the chosen moments, as the scenes in question hadn't been filmed yet. The reference image of Noah's death, though, was a drawing by executive producer Greg Beeman: <snip> Personally, I think Sale should have included the tongue sticking out. Hee! I love it. And eetah.
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