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Post by William the Bloody on Mar 31, 2005 2:44:55 GMT -5
A fresh new season, a fresh new thread... ahhh... that springtime freshness!
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Apr 5, 2005 21:56:01 GMT -5
Erin, I never post since I am your beta, but I wanted to thank you for a full season of Angelphile goodness, and for this excellent start to a new season. Keep them coming please! *hug*
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Post by Queen E on Apr 5, 2005 22:22:40 GMT -5
Erin, I never post since I am your beta, but I wanted to thank you for a full season of Angelphile goodness, and for this excellent start to a new season. Keep them coming please! *hug* *hug* You are the best beta! I wouldn't sound half as good without you...sometimes the words and thoughts don't always mesh. Thanks for keeping me sounding like I know what I'm talking about! Yay, Patti!
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Post by Lola m on Apr 9, 2005 22:50:54 GMT -5
Erin – you rock!
You know, I was thinking just like your opening paragraph (“we already know the other shoe will be dropping at any moment”) as I re-watched this ep. The opening scenes are just so . . . “hey, look at us all competent and cool rogue demon hunters”! (Well, we see a few cracks in Wes’ façade, but still.) It’s a fake-out, and yet not. It’s a true reflection of the gang’s strengthened relationship with each other, but it’s a false picture of the way the true story arc will go. There’s not gonna be much that is straightforward about even this episode, much less the rest of the season. Quite the opposite.
The Prio demon as mirror for Angel is the first and most obvious thing we notice – it’s brought up directly with dialog and visual comparisons, and I always remember the importance of the “demon of the week” to any ep – but I was glad to see you bring back the idea of Gunn as a mirror for Angel as well. This is the ep that brings us JAR as a regular cast member and introduces the members of the new Fang Gang to each other. Remembering the idea of Gunn as a reflection of, and comparison to, Angel is going to be important to remember in future eps this season.
The whole mirror analogy was a good one – it fits the opening scene and follows through nicely to the end, where, as you say: We continue to have our push/pull between the Shanshu as reward, a carrot dangled that can make Angel forget the real mission and Shanshu as a way to connect with humanity (when leading into his first mention of the possibility of becoming human, Angel even leads into it by talking about the benefits of joining a gym because “you’re not alone”).
I loved all your mentions of the foreshadowing in this episode. I have noticed most of them in the past and in this re-watch, but you still managed to mention that I had never thought of. In particular, all the song connections you mention were new to me. I’d enjoyed them, but never really thought about them individually like that. The Connor foreshadowing is kinda chilling in hindsight, isn’t it?
Looking forward to your analyses of the season ahead (season 2 being one of my faves)! Off we go into that Big Wacky Variety Show We Call Los Angeles! It’s gonna be a heck of a party!
Lola
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Post by Queen E on Apr 10, 2005 2:18:51 GMT -5
Erin – you rock! You know, I was thinking just like your opening paragraph (“we already know the other shoe will be dropping at any moment”) as I re-watched this ep. The opening scenes are just so . . . “hey, look at us all competent and cool rogue demon hunters”! (Well, we see a few cracks in Wes’ façade, but still.) It’s a fake-out, and yet not. It’s a true reflection of the gang’s strengthened relationship with each other, but it’s a false picture of the way the true story arc will go. There’s not gonna be much that is straightforward about even this episode, much less the rest of the season. Quite the opposite. First of all, thank you so much for commenting in your awesomely intelligent way! You rock. And absolutely this episode really sets the tone for the season; both in the cocksure attitude of AI, and the increasingly grey area they occupy and general sense of confusion. Neither the Fang Gang nor us can tell who is good and who is bad anymore. You really underline that with your true and false levels of reflection you bring up. The positive connection between Cordy, Wes, and Angel, the negative consequences of their "clarity" of mission. As Angel said at the end of Season 1, he misses the clarity; even if this is "good" clarity of purpose on one level, nothing is ever that clear. Just as a mirror reflection is dependent on the warp in the mirror, the kind of lighting, etc, so the right path is never as straight and clear as imagined. Exactly! And we'll get more of a sense of that in "First Impressions" (images again!) when we see both his "hit first, ask questions later" approach to Devak (sp?) and his never-quite-processed Alanna guilt. Both of them long for their original mission... To be undermined by the notion of showering with other guys. *grin* Perhaps that's why the Shanshu remains elusive throughout to Angel; the Shanshu represents the ultimate connection to humanity: actually being human. Angel, however, keeps getting lost in one obsession after the other, one soul, rather than all souls: Darla, Connor, Cordelia, finally to end up cutting himself off completely by hiding behind the resources of Wolfram and Hart. With Lorne in the mix, definitely! *sigh* I love Lorne... As I've been doing these analyses, I've decided that nearly everything has some heft, some weight, even things like the songs sung at Caritas. There are the more obvious ones, like Fred singing "Crazy" in "That Old Gang of Mine" but was shocked, on rewatching, how sexually oriented (not in a prudish way shocked) most of the choices were in this episode. Considering the next few episodes, with Darla as succubus, it makes perfect sense...not to mention her final, accidental "sexual healing" of Angel in "Epiphany." Season 2 is a nummy treat in my opinion, too. But so hard to watch the Fang Gang so alienated from each other... Thank you again for your always insightful comments. They make me work even harder!
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Post by Riff on Apr 10, 2005 15:46:57 GMT -5
And she does it again. Yes! Angel is introspective and interested in the self. Do you remember the scene when Spike finds him reading Sartre? In French? ;D I certainly got the impression that Angel recognises himself in the Prio demon. The most interesting thing is that this is an officially evil demon, the sort that can be killed on sight with a clean conscience; and yet it is now on a good path. If even an evil being can seek out redemption, then the moral maze has suddenly become even thornier. Interestingly, it’s a clarity that Faith herself seems to hold onto. By the time she comes back in Season 4 the FG have all wandered from the “one soul at a time” mission statement. In Season Two, perhaps, it is Lorne who slows down the slide that eventually finishes with Angel and Darla together. Eetah. This is very much an episode about seeing/perceiving. Themes are unearthed which will eventually make all the characters, but Angel especially, reconsider the mission. Normally I like musicals, but even a brief moment of “Achy-Breaky Heart” is enough to have me reaching for the remote control. ;D You’re right – the songs do follow a definite theme. Love and desire will be both destructive and essential forces in the Angelverse from now on. We see the characters really begin to grow up this Season, but we also see them losing the certainty that can depend on a simple moral outlook. *smiles* I’d completely missed the significance of Faith’s comment, but, thinking about it (and tottering precariously on the abyss of fanwankery ), her morality does become stable – one note, as it were. When we see her again in Season Four this makes her somehow both greater and lesser than the members of the FG. Hmmm. And to some extent it also foreshadows Why We Fight. Ironically, the notion of the fight itself becomes rather difficult and a place that the characters become lost in. I love that film, BTW. *laughing* The Shanshu prophecy in a shell. I see, Erin. ;D Of course, the Shanshu was supposed to happen as the result of some form of apocalyptic battle. Is that the battle at the end of NFA? An earlier battle? One we haven’t seen yet? In Fray it’s told that all the demons were banished from the world in an apocalyptic fight involving a slayer who disappeared in the process (it’s hinted that this is Buffy). I wonder how that works here? I’m assuming Fray is canon because Joss wrote it, and because Fray’s scythe actually appeared in BtVS Season Seven. Indeed it is, and that’s why we love AtS. It isn’t until later seasons that this grows to its full scale, but this season is very difficult for Angel. It’s all worth it, however, for the “new clothes” scene. ;D
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Post by Queen E on Apr 12, 2005 16:34:09 GMT -5
And she does it again. Oops! Or maybe Yay! Indeed. And it really throws the proverbial monkey stake into Buffy's and (by limited extention) the Council's kill all vampires approach. This may have been discussed to death, but since Buffy was so long-lived for a Slayer, the moral ambiguity we were shown in her arc was right in line with this. If Angel can be ensouled and set (eventually) on the right path by Buffy, and Spike can be set on the right path and (eventually) ensouled for the same reason, how many others could have been? Could Holden, for instance? Lawson? Penn? (I'm talking of only direct descendents of the Master here, since they were the only ones we really spent time with, but... Yes, she does. She has to; she doesn't have a whole lot else to hold on to. No parents, no friends besides Angel, no watcher, and a mess of guilt. Wes particularly horrified her, methinks, because she feels responsible for his descent into darkness, for one, and because what he's saying lies so close to the surface in Faith. Eetah on Lorne. He uses humor and insight to try to slow the downward spiral. And is consistently undervalued. Again and again and again... See? Obviously that demon was pure evil. Yes, and its very appropriate that the fit doesn't hit the shan, so to speak, until Faith leaves to fight the less ambiguous First Evil... I've not seen it, which is a failing on my part, since, at the very least, it would have added an extra dimension to my analysis, but...yes, I thought of "Why We Fight" as well. I didn't include it, because I think I can talk about it much more indepth when I actually get to that particular analysis. (The Enemy Below, that is). It's all about the shells, my friend. *grin* Just wait 'til Pylea, the shells will really start to fly. The NFA battle is our most likely candidate, since someone would know (Wolfram and Hart, the Powers) whether it had been fulfilled already. But, when Season 6 starts, I think what we'll see is that the NFA battle is merely the opening shot... As for Fray, which I just read, it's likely Buffy, but strangely, the one who "disappeared" in that battle was Spike. Perhaps Buffy was meant for the amulet all along... To whit: "You have, like, a gay man's taste, and that's saying something." One of my favorite moments, especially with that little dance Angel does... Thank you so much for commenting. I love this! Brilliant insights, wheee!
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