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Post by Sue on Oct 6, 2005 16:20:46 GMT -5
Universal have put the first nine minutes of Serenity online. You can find them hereEnjoy! I'm going to see Serenity again tomorrow. I loved it. I was upset to see Book die and devastated by Wash's death, but I honestly don't think the movie would have worked quite as well without their deaths. I know it wouldn't have had the same impact on *me* if everyone had lived happily ever after. I can't wait to see it again. More thoughts to come later. cal-- If you read anything about the box office numbers in the UK repeat it here, please.
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Post by Cal on Oct 6, 2005 16:29:40 GMT -5
Universal have put the first nine minutes of Serenity online. You can find them hereEnjoy! I'm going to see Serenity again tomorrow. I loved it. I was upset to see Book die and devastated by Wash's death, but I honestly don't think the movie would have worked quite as well without their deaths. I know it wouldn't have had the same impact on *me* if everyone had lived happily ever after. I can't wait to see it again. More thoughts to come later. cal-- If you read anything about the box office numbers in the UK repeat it here, please. Will do. The previews were tonight and it opens nationwide tomorrow. I saw it for the first time in August, but I'm looking forward to seeing it again.
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Post by Karen on Oct 6, 2005 17:08:34 GMT -5
Universal have put the first nine minutes of Serenity online. You can find them hereEnjoy! I'm going to see Serenity again tomorrow. I loved it. I was upset to see Book die and devastated by Wash's death, but I honestly don't think the movie would have worked quite as well without their deaths. I know it wouldn't have had the same impact on *me* if everyone had lived happily ever after. I can't wait to see it again. More thoughts to come later. #bighug# I hated to see them die, too, Cal. I waver between being really angry and pissed off at Joss to loving him for giving us such a great story. *sigh* See you later!! {{Cal}}
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Post by Sue on Oct 6, 2005 17:25:15 GMT -5
SERENITY POSTERS
I have 100 12 x 18 Serenity movie posters (blue with the faces of Mal and River)
and 3 or 4 display size. (maybe almost 3 feet by 4 feet?)
I already have 13 mailing tubes (because that's not the kind of thing you throw away) and they aren't at all expensive to purchase.
I have requests from:
Matthew Becky Spring shan Erin Dev Karen Wendy Vlad Betsy
Does anybody else want one/some?
I'll probably mail them out early next week and will just divvy up the 100 so most people who requested them will get maybe about 8, unless I hear from more folks.
Only one person asked for a large one.
I think maybe I'll keep one. Allie has the playroom decorated in classic movie posters already so it will fit right in.
Does anybody else want one? That includes British S'cubies. IM me with your address.
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Post by Sara on Oct 6, 2005 20:54:14 GMT -5
? I never thought they were on Miranda. Did I miss something? How would River have survived? I thought she just read the mind of some govt. person who was allowed to observe her. Was the planet called Miranda? What was "Haven"? I'm a little confused, I must confess. I just thought that Younger!River would've been on the planet where they were being fed Pax, and that the reason she survived was because she didn't die - like the passionless people, and she didn't turn into a Reaver. She ended up being something in between and that is why she was taken away and experimented on. I'm probably way off base here. I can't wait to get the "Serenity" book which I hope fills in some blanks for me. Miranda was the planet where the Serenity gang found Dr. Caron's recording of what happened with the Pax and its role in the creation of the Reavers. Haven was the mining community where Book resided. But as I understand it, River was never on Miranda before she went there with the crew. I think she was experimented on because of her psychic abilities--and because the Alliance wanted to try and improve them, or at least turn them toward their own use. And I suspect the training was ultimately designed to make her into an Operative that put all other Operatives to shame. After all, what better fighter could you ask for than someone who knows what their opponent is going to do a split-second before they do it? But as far as I recall we saw nothing here to contradict the perception that River grew up with Simon on one of the Central Planets, far from Miranda. Does that make sense? 'Cause it's getting late, and I'm not sure I'm making sense any more.
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Post by Linda on Oct 6, 2005 21:27:26 GMT -5
Was the planet called Miranda? What was "Haven"? I'm a little confused, I must confess. I just thought that Younger!River would've been on the planet where they were being fed Pax, and that the reason she survived was because she didn't die - like the passionless people, and she didn't turn into a Reaver. She ended up being something in between and that is why she was taken away and experimented on. I'm probably way off base here. I can't wait to get the "Serenity" book which I hope fills in some blanks for me. Miranda was the planet where the Serenity gang found Dr. Caron's recording of what happened with the Pax and its role in the creation of the Reavers. Haven was the mining community where Book resided. But as I understand it, River was never on Miranda before she went there with the crew. I think she was experimented on because of her psychic abilities--and because the Alliance wanted to try and improve them, or at least turn them toward their own use. And I suspect the training was ultimately designed to make her into an Operative that put all other Operatives to shame. After all, what better fighter could you ask for than someone who knows what their opponent is going to do a split-second before they do it? But as far as I recall we saw nothing here to contradict the perception that River grew up with Simon on one of the Central Planets, far from Miranda. Does that make sense? 'Cause it's getting late, and I'm not sure I'm making sense any more. Perfect sense. One of the things that I picked up on my third repeat viewing s was that River's memory of Miranda was not *her* memory. It was what she picked up from one of those "key members of Parliament" that were mentioned in the beginning. There was also an implication that this horrific "memory" was one of the major factors of her mental instability. Once she was able to put the memory into a real-life context, she seemed to be OK -- which is what she told Simon after throwing up. Which is a pretty direct metaphor, come to think of it. Other things I noticed (not that I am at all obsessed or anything ): Zoe: You know what the definition of a hero is? Someone who gets other people killed. When Zoe questioned Mal about choosing the loot over the desperate guy, Mal's final justification is uttered in the sudden silence of space. I guess that means planetfall / gravity & belief are tightly connected. There was a newscast statement in the Beaumonde bar about the only survivors of the Reaver attack being those folks that Mal ordered to stay sealed in the trading post's vault. Jayne drinks out of a shot glass with a picture of a demon on it (an oni?) just before he gathers the resolve to remove River from the ship. OK, maybe I'm slightly obsessed. Linda, gonna see it again soon, because Joss is compellingly evil -- and I want a sequel.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 18:31:08 GMT -5
I just had a thought. We could see Wash and Book again if Joss does a flashback story. It's not the best scenario, because I hate that he killed them, but we'd still get their story and to see them again. Aw, crap. Who am I kidding? Stupidhead Joss. And there would be perfect reasons for flashbacks containing these characters. For example, examining Mal and Zoe's war experiences and how they affect them still could be illuminated by flashbacks of Book's life. And as Zoe moves through her grief it would be very natural to see flashbacks of Wash.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 18:33:08 GMT -5
Another memorable moment: Mal and Inara agreeing that the "ship" was still good.Yeah, for M/I !! Oh and someone posted on the Spoiler thread about River's pose with weapons after taking out the Reavers as "Anne"-like. I hadn't made that connection but couldn't help but think of the fight as River going all Buffy on the Initiative demons Reavers. Loved that scene between Inara and Mal! Not enough Inara or Kaylee!! I loved that things were not automatically "fixed" between Mal and Inara. Her hesitant "I don't know", suggesting she may or may not leave Serenity again was wonderful. As was Mal's reaction - we don't see him smile much, which makes any smile very important.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 18:34:44 GMT -5
Universal have put the first nine minutes of Serenity online. You can find them hereEnjoy! I'm going to see Serenity again tomorrow. I loved it. I was upset to see Book die and devastated by Wash's death, but I honestly don't think the movie would have worked quite as well without their deaths. I know it wouldn't have had the same impact on *me* if everyone had lived happily ever after. I can't wait to see it again. More thoughts to come later. I feel the same way. Crushed by their deaths and yet . . . each was so meaningful - so important to the story.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 7, 2005 18:37:58 GMT -5
Miranda was the planet where the Serenity gang found Dr. Caron's recording of what happened with the Pax and its role in the creation of the Reavers. Haven was the mining community where Book resided. But as I understand it, River was never on Miranda before she went there with the crew. I think she was experimented on because of her psychic abilities--and because the Alliance wanted to try and improve them, or at least turn them toward their own use. And I suspect the training was ultimately designed to make her into an Operative that put all other Operatives to shame. After all, what better fighter could you ask for than someone who knows what their opponent is going to do a split-second before they do it? But as far as I recall we saw nothing here to contradict the perception that River grew up with Simon on one of the Central Planets, far from Miranda. Does that make sense? 'Cause it's getting late, and I'm not sure I'm making sense any more. Perfect sense. One of the things that I picked up on my third repeat viewing s was that River's memory of Miranda was not *her* memory. It was what she picked up from one of those "key members of Parliament" that were mentioned in the beginning. There was also an implication that this horrific "memory" was one of the major factors of her mental instability. Once she was able to put the memory into a real-life context, she seemed to be OK -- which is what she told Simon after throwing up. Which is a pretty direct metaphor, come to think of it. Other things I noticed (not that I am at all obsessed or anything ): Zoe: You know what the definition of a hero is? Someone who gets other people killed. When Zoe questioned Mal about choosing the loot over the desperate guy, Mal's final justification is uttered in the sudden silence of space. I guess that means planetfall / gravity & belief are tightly connected. There was a newscast statement in the Beaumonde bar about the only survivors of the Reaver attack being those folks that Mal ordered to stay sealed in the trading post's vault. Jayne drinks out of a shot glass with a picture of a demon on it (an oni?) just before he gathers the resolve to remove River from the ship. OK, maybe I'm slightly obsessed. Linda, gonna see it again soon, because Joss is compellingly evil -- and I want a sequel. I hadn't caught the idea that River was better after seeing the actual vid on Miranda and then throwing up until my second showing today. It really is the perfect metaphor - getting the other person's memories out of her, as it were.
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Post by Onjel on Oct 7, 2005 20:09:16 GMT -5
You know what I loved about this is how it is finally after the trauma and the loss that River and Simon are finally part of the crew fully accepted and treasured even,and not just identified as crew members by Mal to make a point.
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Post by Cal on Oct 8, 2005 9:08:16 GMT -5
Universal have put the first nine minutes of Serenity online. You can find them hereEnjoy! I'm going to see Serenity again tomorrow. I loved it. I was upset to see Book die and devastated by Wash's death, but I honestly don't think the movie would have worked quite as well without their deaths. I know it wouldn't have had the same impact on *me* if everyone had lived happily ever after. I can't wait to see it again. More thoughts to come later. cal-- If you read anything about the box office numbers in the UK repeat it here, please. I've just received an email from the UK Browncoats saying that Serenity has opened at #2 in the UK Box Office...but only just. It is only just behind Pride and Prejudice, so there is still a possibility that it could make #1! I'll be keeping my fingers crossed!
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Post by Rachael on Oct 8, 2005 10:22:44 GMT -5
So...
My sister now uses the phrase, "I'm a leaf on the wind," every time someone dies suddenly in the movies or on television.
Also, from a "newbie" perspective (one of the folks I saw it with on Thursday was a complete Firefly virgin):
It's not at all clear that Inara is a prostitute. You'll notice that Mal doesn't use the word "whore" once, and even the term "Companion" is only used once. Geoffrey had no clue until I told him.
Interesting directorial choice, don't you think?
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Post by Lola m on Oct 8, 2005 10:56:05 GMT -5
You know - something else really struck me at my second viewing. How much Joss loves (and uses very effectively and beautifully) the timline within timeline within timeline idea. At the start, we see River as a small girl, except really she's dreaming in lab until Simon rescues her, except really it's the Operative viewing a tape of the events.
I mean, I saw all that the first time, but the wonderful flow of it didn't hit me until the next time.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 8, 2005 10:59:22 GMT -5
So... My sister now uses the phrase, "I'm a leaf on the wind," every time someone dies suddenly in the movies or on television. Also, from a "newbie" perspective (one of the folks I saw it with on Thursday was a complete Firefly virgin): It's not at all clear that Inara is a prostitute. You'll notice that Mal doesn't use the word "whore" once, and even the term "Companion" is only used once. Geoffrey had no clue until I told him. Interesting directorial choice, don't you think? I think I'm going to start using that "leaf in the wind" phrase myself. I noticed, without really paying that much attention, that Inara's occupation wasn't really highlighted. But I can't decide how deliberate a director choice it was and how much was just due to the story being more concentrated on Mal and River. I can see the sequel focusing on Zoe's journey, Mal and Inara's relationship, as well as Kaylee and Simon.
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