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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Feb 11, 2005 14:48:35 GMT -5
I have nothing to say about this episode that hasn't already been said. It wasn't really an episode, more of a transition. Enough Charlie backstory, already.
I, too, think that Jin understands enough English, at least, that he can pick up on what's being said around him, and he suspects that Sun does too.
Anne, it's going to be interesting when that one hits the fan...
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Post by Dragon on Feb 11, 2005 18:41:26 GMT -5
So gee - where is you all everybody? Here are my impressions. There’s not much here, but the ep didn’t excite me much: Claire is still preggers and suffering from amnesia, it seems. Good God. If she doesn’t have that baby soon, she’s gonna explode! OK. Locke – he looks quite a lot like my bald, blue-eyed ex, plus he said “fell swoop,” which my ex used to say all the time, only he’d say “swell foop” at least half the time, and not even know he had done it. That was something I liked about him, actually, his frequent and unconscious spoonerisms. WHY, WHY, WHY are we getting more Charlie backstory when we haven’t seen any Hurley backstory yet? Am I imagining this, or is this the most boring ep we’ve ever had? I like the doggie. I like Sayid. Oh – Scott & Steve are down to just Steve. Very sad. Harley as the Island chaplain of sorts. I like it. Why wouldn’t they give a gun to Kate? There ya go. My brain is in a bit of a stupor; the ep isn’t engaging me; it’s hard to think of anything to write. Charley is a killer, now? I don’t really like the motivation being provided for such a drastic act. For such a drastic change. It wasn’t even “heat of the moment.” I wanted Charley to be more sweet and innocent. But I will adjust. Are we not going to get Hurley backstory? I was wondering when we would get the backstory on Hurley as well. As for Charlie, he isn't really an innocent after all that he has been through. He has transferred all of his caring to Claire. I would have done the same thing he did. Trying to keep someone as bad as that guy as a prisoner would be extremely difficult and remember he has been on the island a long time. I would never have taken the chance that he could get loose and harm one that I loved. The best way to do that is make them dead. It will be hard on Charlie, but he feels justified. Ilike Mr. Locke as well, strange one. One of the things that bothers me the most is why that damn dog keeps running off. I've never known one to hide from his master if he loved him. I know the dog belonged to the other guy but he would still be inclined to stay with the kid, not hide out in the woods. Dragon
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Post by Dragon on Feb 11, 2005 19:06:05 GMT -5
Killed him somewhere else, and made sure the body would wash ashore. Locke's plan? After what Charlie went Through in Ethans's hands and how scared an upset he was about Claire, I was a little surprised he had the guts to shoot him, although I did suspect that someone would since the gun went to the ground so spectacularly. They had the whole place surrounded, where else could a wet body come from? I've known people that were addicted, doesn't make them all weak and mean or con-men after they break the addiction. Sun knows English. In Korea, they teach it in school just like they do in Japan. It might not be great English, bit I can guarantee he knows some. Dragon
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 11, 2005 23:07:46 GMT -5
I was wondering when we would get the backstory on Hurley as well. As for Charlie, he isn't really an innocent after all that he has been through. He has transferred all of his caring to Claire. I would have done the same thing he did. Trying to keep someone as bad as that guy as a prisoner would be extremely difficult and remember he has been on the island a long time. I would never have taken the chance that he could get loose and harm one that I loved. The best way to do that is make them dead. It will be hard on Charlie, but he feels justified. Yes, true, Charley isn't truly "innocent," but he wasn't a killer. I agree Charley had plenty of reason to be furious enough to kill - I would have "bought" it better if it had been more "heat of passion." It wasn't entirely "in cold blood," but . . . while I could easily imagine killing someone who was harming my child if I caught him in the act, I have a harder time identifying with killing someone who had harmed someone I didn't really know all that well, and who was no immediate threat . . . I dunno. Just didn't quite buy it, with the motivation Charley was given. I wondered about that dog running off too - the only thing I could imagine that might result in my own dog doing this would be . . . interesting enough smells, I guess. I can picture her wandering off following her nose, figuring I'd be there with welcoming arms when she felt like coming back.
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Post by Dragon on Feb 12, 2005 14:01:06 GMT -5
So gee - where is you all everybody? Here are my impressions. There’s not much here, but the ep didn’t excite me much: Claire is still preggers and suffering from amnesia, it seems. Good God. If she doesn’t have that baby soon, she’s gonna explode! OK. Locke – he looks quite a lot like my bald, blue-eyed ex, plus he said “fell swoop,” which my ex used to say all the time, only he’d say “swell foop” at least half the time, and not even know he had done it. That was something I liked about him, actually, his frequent and unconscious spoonerisms. WHY, WHY, WHY are we getting more Charlie backstory when we haven’t seen any Hurley backstory yet? Am I imagining this, or is this the most boring ep we’ve ever had? I like the doggie. I like Sayid. Oh – Scott & Steve are down to just Steve. Very sad. Harley as the Island chaplain of sorts. I like it. Why wouldn’t they give a gun to Kate? There ya go. My brain is in a bit of a stupor; the ep isn’t engaging me; it’s hard to think of anything to write. Charley is a killer, now? I don’t really like the motivation being provided for such a drastic act. For such a drastic change. It wasn’t even “heat of the moment.” I wanted Charley to be more sweet and innocent. But I will adjust. Are we not going to get Hurley backstory? I thought it was a pretty good ep. Left a lot of back story on Charlie. I'm sure it didn.t stop there. I've handled guns all of my life, but my sister hasn't. Still when she got her hands on a 9 mil. She new how to cock it to jack a shell in and fire it. She's seen enough on TV. Charlie was angry as hell, nearly killed by the bastard, and choked again. Worried about Claire and if he is anything like me at all, obsessing on the whole thing. Seeing her out there as bait, because he couldn't do anything else but follow, then seeing her run from Eric and screaming pushed him to the limit. I knew someone was going to shoot Eric when the gun went flying. I'm just sorry it was Charlie, but not too surprised. Anyone who has lived for any time in the drug culture as he did has seen a lot of bad things. Jack had already been beat by the guy and all of his pent-up anger was being spent on the "bad guy". I got mad one time in my home and put my fist through my front door. With all Eric had done to push their buttons, I would have been surprised if somone hadn't beaten him up. Especially after the body on the beach. He was entirely too dangerous and completely nuts to leave alive. As I said before, I would have done the same thing to protect the people I love. Also, read "Lord of the Flies". Has a lot of insight into their behavior. Dragon
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Post by Dragon on Feb 12, 2005 14:18:34 GMT -5
That's a good thought. And there are the unexplained tattoos that would fit right into that idea. Did you notice how big Ethan was? Also, if Jack has had military experience, it might have been as a doctor and a few years backtoo. You can get out of practice with that kind of fighting Dragon
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Post by Nickim on Feb 12, 2005 14:34:20 GMT -5
That's a good thought. And there are the unexplained tattoos that would fit right into that idea. And they were very much on display in this episode.
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Post by Nickim on Feb 12, 2005 14:39:34 GMT -5
Yes, true, Charley isn't truly "innocent," but he wasn't a killer. I agree Charley had plenty of reason to be furious enough to kill - I would have "bought" it better if it had been more "heat of passion." It wasn't entirely "in cold blood," but . . . while I could easily imagine killing someone who was harming my child if I caught him in the act, I have a harder time identifying with killing someone who had harmed someone I didn't really know all that well, and who was no immediate threat . . . I dunno. Just didn't quite buy it, with the motivation Charley was given. I think were not supposed to buy the motivation. We're supposed to think Charley killed him for some other reason. Perhaps Charley's been turned and was afraid Ethan would tell what's going on. If the island does cause things to happen based on thoughts, then the dog is probably in no danger and maybe he's running off to the food stash his imagination conjours up for him. ;D
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Post by havoc on Feb 12, 2005 23:25:24 GMT -5
I have nothing to say about this episode that hasn't already been said. It wasn't really an episode, more of a transition. Enough Charlie backstory, already. I, too, think that Jin understands enough English, at least, that he can pick up on what's being said around him, and he suspects that Sun does too. Anne, it's going to be interesting when that one hits the fan... Have to say, this one was a bit more wierd and yet normal at the same time. If they had Locke say "The truth is out there", it couldn't feel any more like an X-file!
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Post by leftylady on Feb 13, 2005 16:51:41 GMT -5
WARNING to those who live and die by their Lost tapes:
My TVWeek just received lists Alias as starting at 9:05. So set your vcr accordingly to not lose the end of the upcoming Drew Goddard episode!!!
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 13, 2005 19:45:46 GMT -5
WARNING to those who live and die by their Lost tapes: My TVWeek just received lists Alias as starting at 9:05. So set your vcr accordingly to not lose the end of the upcoming Drew Goddard episode!!! Hi leftylady - and thanks for the heads up!
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 13, 2005 19:47:42 GMT -5
I think were not supposed to buy the motivation. We're supposed to think Charley killed him for some other reason. Perhaps Charley's been turned and was afraid Ethan would tell what's going on. Not a bad theory though - it seemed very much as if we were supposed to see that whole backstory, and especially those final words ("you'll never take care of anybody") as leading up to Charley's actions. Judging from my own dogs, God forbid the island should make dog dreams come true.
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Post by SpringSummers on Mar 30, 2005 20:02:54 GMT -5
Becky:
Nice job on the review. I loved the light/dark and daylight/nighttime talk, especially your opening comment: “What are we supposed to see when we start out in the dark?”
Also, I liked the very insightful suggestion that Charlie’s murder of Ethan wasn’t just about protecting Claire, but about his own guilt, about killing off the nasty part of himself that hurt and disappointed Lucy.
Agree on the wonderful creepiness of Boone/Locke, and I also agree that the number 34 on the jukebox is likely significant . . . though I have no theory on what significance.
Loved the comments under the pictures (except, where are the pictures?). Got some grins and giggles. Also, yes – Boone really does have pretty blue eyes.
Thanks for your effort with this – a nice addition to our reviews!
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Mar 31, 2005 0:16:46 GMT -5
Becky: Nice job on the review. I loved the light/dark and daylight/nighttime talk, especially your opening comment: “What are we supposed to see when we start out in the dark?” Also, I liked the very insightful suggestion that Charlie’s murder of Ethan wasn’t just about protecting Claire, but about his own guilt, about killing off the nasty part of himself that hurt and disappointed Lucy. Agree on the wonderful creepiness of Boone/Locke, and I also agree that the number 34 on the jukebox is likely significant . . . though I have no theory on what significance. Loved the comments under the pictures (except, where are the pictures?). Got some grins and giggles. Also, yes – Boone really does have pretty blue eyes. Thanks for your effort with this – a nice addition to our reviews! Spring the pictures show up for me...did you refresh?
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Post by Becky H on Mar 31, 2005 10:14:46 GMT -5
Becky: Nice job on the review. I loved the light/dark and daylight/nighttime talk, especially your opening comment: “What are we supposed to see when we start out in the dark?” Also, I liked the very insightful suggestion that Charlie’s murder of Ethan wasn’t just about protecting Claire, but about his own guilt, about killing off the nasty part of himself that hurt and disappointed Lucy. Agree on the wonderful creepiness of Boone/Locke, and I also agree that the number 34 on the jukebox is likely significant . . . though I have no theory on what significance. Loved the comments under the pictures (except, where are the pictures?). Got some grins and giggles. Also, yes – Boone really does have pretty blue eyes. Thanks for your effort with this – a nice addition to our reviews! Thanks, Spring. I really appreciate this coming from such an experienced reviewer. This seemed at first such a cut-and-dried episode that I really wanted to dig a little beneath the surface to see if there might be more to it. Glad you think so, too.
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