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Post by Michelle on May 8, 2005 16:15:40 GMT -5
Wonderful review, Spring. (As usual!) You always point out far more than I could ever notice, no matter how many times I see a show.
I'm joining this discussion waaaaayyy late, but I just wanted to point out one eensy-weensy detail that I didn't see brought up elsewhere. It's not *just* Aaron's face we see in the pool house, it is actually a picture of Aaron AND Lynn, smiling cheek to cheek. I didn't notice the picture everyone kept mentioning in this discussion, so I paused and slo-mo'ed my tape, and sure enough, both faces can be seen.
Everyone seems to be assuming that the room was set up for something rather sleazy, but why would Aaron take his conquests into a room that featured a very large picture of he and his wife smiling happily? This could just be their little love nest they used for "private time" to get away from Logan & Trina and in addition, some secret video-taping.
The video-taping is pretty sleazy, IF Lynn was not aware of it. But, if she knew about it...well, you know what they say about two consenting adults. It would make sense that the equipment would be hidden away whether Lynn was aware of the taping or not, in case Logan, Trina, or anybody else were to wander into the room.
So, I guess all I'm trying to say is that Veronica's discovery doesn't necessarily prove that Aaron was up to anything particularly sleazy.
I can't wait for Tuesday!
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Post by SpringSummers on May 8, 2005 18:16:56 GMT -5
Hi Spring! Excellent review! Thank you 3 for the recap! There was something wrong with my recording (or maybe the local station's satellite feed) and things kept fuzzing/skipping out every couple of minutes. Which was eeeek! for this episode in particular. I mean for any other episode I would be grrrrr!, but for this one I was all NOOOOOOOOO! There may even have been head-thunking, but I don't remember. Thanks for the feedback, Linda. Glad the recap helped with your fuzzy tape. I get fuzzy pic and sound all the time - but not because of tape quality. Because the affliate that broadcasts UPN around here is awful in terms of picture quality, sound quality, or even staying up all the time. I've been lucky not to have missed any VM this year. I missed Buffy eps several times. Hey, they're just guts.
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Post by SpringSummers on May 8, 2005 18:20:42 GMT -5
Celeste has told Duncan that Veronica is his sister. She may believe this to be true; she may only suspect the possibility (but can't afford to ignore it); she may even know that it is an outright lie, but, hey, if it works to keep them apart then it works for her. Jake, on the other hand, doesn't seem to suspect anyting and in fact reacts with great surprise when Veronica taxes him with the question. What are you referring to here? Veronica never questioned or confronted Jake about his possible parentage. Their Christmas party encounter did not include any mention of the parentage thing. I think Jake knows Veronica could be his; I just think he wanted to keep that little secret totally buried if possible. I think Jake knows Veronica could be his . . . but IF he doesn't, it could be because Lianne simply lied to him about the timing . . . as in "No Jake, I know it's Keith's, because I had my period right after we had sex - I had to have gotten pregnant a week or two afterward, during one of the times Keith and I were together . . . " Aaron as Weevil's father . . . my head is spinning. You all must stop! Please, Tuesday - can't you come on Monday?
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Post by SpringSummers on May 8, 2005 18:23:30 GMT -5
<snip> Oh..oh. Sorry to interrupt that but something else bothers me. Why is it Jake doesn't see Veronica as his? If Celeste and Lianne have some doubts, you'd think Jake would too and Jake does not strike me as the type who would ignore his own child. In fact, I'm guessing he'd hold a special place in his heart for a child he'd had with Lianne even if he couldn't raise that child himself. Yet, he never shows any affection for Veronica. Nor, might I add, does he ever show any concern that Veronica and Duncan were a couple and possibly doing incest-y things. For a man such as Jake, that would spell disaster for any political plans he has for Duncan's future. Why would he EVER even let it become a possibility? Why wasn't he the one who told Duncan to break up with Veronica? Yeah, see, I'm not believing it. There's no way Jake is V's dad. *sigh* Ok, my brain is officially been obsessed with this damn show. I'm stopping now... mostly because I gotta go meet someone. I think Keith is Veronica's dad, but mainly because Lianne seems to think he COULD be, and V did sleep with Duncan, so I'm thinking she is not going to turn out to be his sis. I think Jake is more than capable of knowing V could be his, but letting Keith raise her, and not caring much about it.
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Post by SpringSummers on May 8, 2005 18:26:53 GMT -5
Wonderful review, Spring. (As usual!) You always point out far more than I could ever notice, no matter how many times I see a show. Thanks, Fotada. Glad you enjoyed it. Interesting! I didn't notice Lynn's face. True - could have been a "two consenting adults" thing. Though . . . why set up the "hidden" camera in the fan? Why not just have the camera in a locked closet, and then, lock the door to the room, and set the camera up when and where you want it? The "hidden" aspect makes it suspicious.
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Post by SpringSummers on May 8, 2005 18:29:20 GMT -5
Apologies to: Linda & Sue. I accidentally hit modify instead of "quote" on your posts, and then started typing my reply, which screwed up your posts, which I then had to fix . . . so you can see that it looks like I edited them, but they should be back in "original" shape.
Apologies. This board moderator power is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands.
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Post by Lola m on May 8, 2005 18:54:05 GMT -5
Hi Spring! Excellent review! Thank you 3 for the recap! There was something wrong with my recording (or maybe the local station's satellite feed) and things kept fuzzing/skipping out every couple of minutes. Which was eeeek! for this episode in particular. I mean for any other episode I would be grrrrr!, but for this one I was all NOOOOOOOOO! There may even have been head-thunking, but I don't remember. As always, I admire your ability to pick out the underlying themes and recurring images. Unfortunately, I don't have a way to re-watch the episode with your review in mind, so I will just say: Brava! And I'm almost sure you're right. ;D Oh, and eetah about the gut-ripping. Linda, still nooooooo! about my recording, although the bits around the fuzzing were great. OMG I can't imagine my TV intermittently fizting out on this one. The ability to even vaguely understand the whole timeline of the party is dependent on seeing the whole thing! Much empathy.
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Post by Michelle on May 8, 2005 19:16:58 GMT -5
True - could have been a "two consenting adults" thing. Though . . . why set up the "hidden" camera in the fan? Why not just have the camera in a locked closet, and then, lock the door to the room, and set the camera up when and where you want it? The "hidden" aspect makes it suspicious. Yes, it is suspicious, I admit. But, I would also think a locked closet would raise suspicions in the minds of Logan or Trina. Aaron probably has a *pretty* good idea that Logan breaks into the locked liquor cabinets (remember, Aaron told Veronica, "I was a teenager once, too"). What would stop Logan from breaking into a locked closet? This is all total speculation, of course, but perhaps that is why Aaron & Lynn thought it better to camouflage it instead. Just reflecting on my own adolescence, I know that if I would have come across a locked anything in my parents' home, I would have been extremely curious about it, and maybe even "pulled a Logan."
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Post by SpringSummers on May 8, 2005 20:04:26 GMT -5
Yes, it is suspicious, I admit. But, I would also think a locked closet would raise suspicions in the minds of Logan or Trina. Aaron probably has a *pretty* good idea that Logan breaks into the locked liquor cabinets (remember, Aaron told Veronica, "I was a teenager once, too"). What would stop Logan from breaking into a locked closet? This is all total speculation, of course, but perhaps that is why Aaron & Lynn thought it better to camouflage it instead. Just reflecting on my own adolescence, I know that if I would have come across a locked anything in my parents' home, I would have been extremely curious about it, and maybe even "pulled a Logan." Come to think of it, they wouldn't even have to keep the camera in a locked closet. There's nothing wrong with having a video camera. It could just be in a closet, for anyone to use. Logan & Trina wouldn't need to know that Mom & Dad were doing kinky stuff with it. Anyhow - I think we're in agreement here - could be part of consensual sex games, but the "hidden aspect" makes it seem suspicious and possibly "non-consensual" with Aaron filming himself with Lynn and/or others without their knowledge. Or maybe Lynn was filming herself with Aaron and others without their knowledge. But this seems like much more of a "male" thing, and certainly much more of an Aaron-thing, than Lynn.
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Post by Linda on May 9, 2005 9:15:23 GMT -5
Apologies to: Linda & Sue. I accidentally hit modify instead of "quote" on your posts, and then started typing my reply, which screwed up your posts, which I then had to fix . . . so you can see that it looks like I edited them, but they should be back in "original" shape. Apologies. This board moderator power is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. But we S'cubies live for danger. Oh, and if you want to edit any of my posts so that I am wrong less often, please feel free. ;D
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Post by Linda on May 9, 2005 9:18:09 GMT -5
OMG I can't imagine my TV intermittently fizting out on this one. The ability to even vaguely understand the whole timeline of the party is dependent on seeing the whole thing! Much empathy. Thanks for the empathy. I am setting two different recorders for Tuesday just in case. Not that I am in any way obsessed, though. You know, like Pixi. ;D
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Post by Pixi on May 9, 2005 9:31:06 GMT -5
One more day - one more day!!!!!!
I think we are all in the exploding brain phase. I personally am not ready for anymore theories. Now I just want to know.
I'm not going to post any more guesses simply because I have read which of the cast has been confirmed to return next year and I think that lies within spoilery topics since RT has said the murderer will not return. Though he said that a long time ago.
On the fun side I have also read that he has next season's mystery arc all plotted out and is really excited about it. Anything RT is excited about - I am excited about.
I wish we could all have a Veronica Mars watch the finale party together. I know Matt and everyone will be posting as they watch but knowing my computer sitch at home, I will be coming in late and playing catch up again.
If I can pick myself off the floor that is.
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Post by Linda on May 9, 2005 9:36:21 GMT -5
Hi all,
Okay, I had a think about my vote for Jake Kane being the murderer. I'm somewhat handicapped by having missed about half the episodes, so feel free to poke holes in the various premises below. I just felt like the revelations about Duncan in this episode point to his having had a very messed up life even before Lilly's murder.
I've been wrong so often that I feel it's superfluous to add that no spoilers were involved in the construction of this post. But consider it added.
When Duncan believed that Veronica was his sister, why didn't he tell her? What was it that made him keep it from her? Family loyalty? A promise to his mom? Fear of losing status in Neptune? Shame? Still, I believe the healthiest thing for him to have done would've been to tell her. But he didn't. For some reason.
Also, I wonder how much we can depend on Duncan's medical records. I feel that Jake Kane is fully capable of having medical records altered. If he thought that Duncan might be arrested for Lilly's murder, a medical record stating that Duncan was subject to epileptic fits would just about guarantee that he would be acquitted.
If Duncan's medical records have been altered, then his fits would really be uncontrolled outbursts of anger. This, I would consider to be a learned response. And I suspect Jake Kane is the one from whom he would have learned it. His mother has been shown to express her anger through meanness and coldness. How has Jake Kane expressed his anger? (I honestly don't know this one, so I'm really asking.)
Jake hasn't shown any awareness that Veronica might be his daughter. However, we haven't seen Jake all that much. But we've seen Duncan. Duncan keeps things inside. How many of us could tell that he believed that Veronica was his sister? And that he was overwhelmed with guilt when he slept with her despite that knowledge? In retrospect, his coldness toward her made sense. But I really, really didn't know about his sleeping with her. That one surprised me. Duncan learned to cover up his feelings from somewhere. Perhaps from his mother, but perhaps from his father as well. If he learned it from Jake, then Jake Kane is more than capable of keeping his secrets and feelings to himself.
If Duncan now remembers what he witnessed of Lilly's murder, then the only people for whom he would remain silent would be his mom & dad, IMO. I don't believe he would cover up for anyone else, not even Logan.
Duncan's passion for Veronica was strong enough to overcome his good sense, although thanks to Logan, he had a lot of help. But Duncan's feelings for Veronica were still strong enough and raw enough for him to attack his car in frustration when he learned of V/L.
Could Jake be similarly at the mercy of his passions? If so, it is very possible that he fathered children other than Duncan & Lilly. Veronica's a maybe, although I believe that she is Keith's daughter in every way. But could Weevil be his son? What do we know of Weevil's mother? Would it mean that he is a Kane heir? Or just that he could be potential trouble for the Kanes?
Or maybe it's Celeste who's at the mercy of her passions. Maybe Weevil's her son. (For which misstep she has overcompensated into extreme coldness.) And perhaps Weevil didn't know until Lilly uncovered it to use as something to hold over her mom.
If Weevil *is* a son of the Kanes, then he would be considered a threat to their position in Neptune. If he is Celeste's son, but not Jake's, then perhaps the humiliation would have been too much for Jake to tolerate.
Also a reason: Angst. If Jake is Lilly's murderer, then Duncan will have lost everyone who meant anything to him except for his mother -- unless Veronica and Logan put aside their feelings for one another until Duncan gets back on his feet.
Linda, only today to guess, so I took my shot.
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Post by Linda on May 9, 2005 9:39:59 GMT -5
One more day - one more day!!!!!! I think we are all in the exploding brain phase. I personally am not ready for anymore theories. Now I just want to know. I'm not going to post any more guesses simply because I have read which of the cast has been confirmed to return next year and I think that lies within spoilery topics since RT has said the murderer will not return. Though he said that a long time ago. On the fun side I have also read that he has next season's mystery arc all plotted out and is really excited about it. Anything RT is excited about - I am excited about. I wish we could all have a Veronica Mars watch the finale party together. I know Matt and everyone will be posting as they watch but knowing my computer sitch at home, I will be coming in late and playing catch up again. If I can pick myself off the floor that is. You shouldn't repress your feelings like this, Pixi. So how do you really feel about the VM season finale? ;D Oh, and sorry about the theory. I was composing it before I saw your post.
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Post by Pixi on May 9, 2005 10:02:08 GMT -5
You shouldn't repress your feelings like this, Pixi. So how do you really feel about the VM season finale? ;D Oh, and sorry about the theory. I was composing it before I saw your post. Hee, hee - I need to learn to be more outgoing and expressive. I'm trying, really. ;D And - of course post your theory. I've posted about 500 of them myself. My two picks are - (see I'm cheating with 2 picks but I'm pretty sure no one will show up at my house to whip me for doing it) Jake - he was my choice in the game and lately I've been thinking it was Aaron. Which I know I have posted an inordinate amount of times about. Hee, hee. I still feel very, very strongly that it will be an adult. I think an adult would be the only one who would put Veronica in such a terrified state. And I have already posted this - so um shutting up now.
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