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Post by Squeemonster on Nov 16, 2005 23:03:58 GMT -5
I don't want to be tested. And daddy holding a bat. Lamb - look in the closet, damn it!!!!!! Yes! Look!! Look!!!! Oooooh! Lamb had a bad daddy too. Hopefully this will help get Grace some help! And he just lets them go! And has someone watch the house! Oh, Lambie Pie! You do have a heart, after all! I so loved that!! Go, Lambie Pie, go!! ;D
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 16, 2005 23:57:34 GMT -5
Well, I stayed up until 1AM to watch VM, and am I glad I did!!
Another wonderful episode!
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Post by Pixi on Nov 17, 2005 7:21:15 GMT -5
I'm a bit completely blown away. Amazing, disturbing episode. I'm going to start with my usual fangirl likes and dislikes before I jump full feet into analytical mode:
Now we see why MM why so excited about this episode. Lamb has layers. The ending - flat out creepy. The first time I watched it (and yes I did watch the show 3x last night) the music distracted me but the second time it hooked me. Creepy music, creepy ending all without words. So very well done. And Lamb needed to be more than just a jackass. Well, well, well.
Logan and his scene with Kendall Bwah! Sacrifice a goat? Bwah. His heartbreak in the beginning asking V for help. I loved the way Veronica knew by the out of order sign that this was for her. She's cold with him but I still believe that underneath her denial she's still cares deeply for Logan. But she wants to hold onto her illusions. She's grabbing them tightly. But I'm pretty sure these are all going to crash soon.
Also the awkward was a complete shout out to the TWOP recaps. CB used that word over and over the first season in his recaps. Rob - you suckup you!
I loved the Big Lebowski scene. Loved it! Interesting how little interested Veronica was in Duncan's neck slurping wasn't it? But please - no more pouty baby lips. Yikes!
I'm in the camp that Duncan - see he is a sleeze, he is, he is - totally did Kendall. The hidden letter, the references to Meg and her bf - I'm still in the camp that Meg is pregnant. And bravo to all those who caught Grace's black eyes in Green eyed Monster and predicted abuse.
Does anyone else want to spork their eyes out at Duncan's turtleneck? Yikes!
Things I loved other than mentioned above:
Madison is back! Continuity with Veronica flat-chested jokes. The Pretty Woman, whore theme coupled with Kendall questing for a new sugar Daddy. Which again also makes me think Duncan slept with her - the hot whore Kendall as Julia Roberts character and Duncan in the role of Richard Gere.
Bare-chested Logan.
The return of the FBLA meeting. And I loved all the layers in that scene. Logan's stock is down but he bounces back (yeah baby!), Duncan mysteriously absent and his stock also down. I feel like this scene laid out many things for us.
"Logan, your stock has seriously declined as well." Logan: "I'm not worried, I tend to bounce back." Teacher: "And [the absent] Mr. Kane...Well, maybe it's better he doesn't know."
But I couldn't tell whose line was whose there on the chart. However - I'm sure someone on the internet will figure this out. ;D Also loved Logan's Puppet, a poet, a pirate song. That boy is so theatrical!
Dick is still a Dick. Not since I was a Brady - bwah! The french maid costume! Hee, hee.
Poor Beaver - still not getting any parental love. But Beav - tone down the hair products a little please because your hair was scaring me.
The scene with Keith - Not since I was nine. Between Goodnight Moon and Adventures with Pooh. Awwww!!!!
Scary mystery with all the abnormal parents. That was seriously creepy. I loved the way they just tossed all this in. And who was it that said the Goodman family is a reverse Echolls - yes indeedy! Completely.
Kill all the guests?
Date with Deputy Sachs? Follow up of the Sachs joke from last week- hee, hee.
Next week previews? Dying people, dying. The return of Logan and Veronica in the car? Veronica crying over Logan? Is it next week yet?
More to come - this is just my initial burbling.
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Post by Pixi on Nov 17, 2005 7:40:54 GMT -5
More random comments and this I'm attributing this one to Rae - that Veronica's STD was VD. Hee, hee, hee.
I so completely agree.
I'm still undecided how I feel about Gia. One of the problems is her hair freaks me out. I'm always looking at it and it bugs the heck out of me.
I kind of love Veronica's ninja turtle sleeping bag.
Veronica is still being very, very cold to Logan. I loved the way he tried to introduce doubt to her about Duncan. Of course this probably means Duncan didn't sleep with Kendall and I can completely see them going this way with the whole theme that nothing is as it seems.
But I want Duncan to have slept with Kendall so I'm just going to keep believing he did till I'm proved otherwise. Kendall did wipe her mouth as she came out of Duncan's room.
Though this could be one of those "look Weevil set the fire but he really didn't moments" again too.
I love the way that this season the MOTW as so completely interwoven into the overal mysteries. Honestly there is so much depth and attention to detail going on that I imagine that writer's room is one crackling place to be. I find this season so much deeper and complex than last years.
And next week we get the Fitzpatrick's back again.
Interesting.
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Post by Pixi on Nov 17, 2005 7:55:45 GMT -5
Taking a completely shallow moment here to admire the Back. Logan's back! Now that people was a back. Squeeeee!!!!!
And he quoted Rhett Butler!!! Logan is just like my perfect boyfriend - someone who can do movie quotes and have that back!
Drool!!!
I mean coupled with the chest, an absolutely perfect back - that was so lickable.
Cordy 25? Hee, hee, hee. You go Charisma - passing for 25 I applaud you. But, ahem - you were really working the skeezy.
I'm their mother, can I have some of their money?
Hee, hee.
And she remembered that Veronica duped her in Cheatty, Cheatty Bang Bang. Duncan - the boyfriend with the earwax problem. Duncan is pretty oblivious most of the time.
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Post by Sharky on Nov 17, 2005 8:03:40 GMT -5
Whoa. MEOW! These girls are total bitcas. Put a tatoo here so people have something to look at? Nasty girls. Also? Hookers become heroes? Oy. Or trophy wives. Of course, that's more a lateral (or horizontal?) move.
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Post by Pixi on Nov 17, 2005 8:16:23 GMT -5
Things I'm disappointed in:
They didn't address Logan's abuse from Daddy Aaron at all. I realize that there was a lot thrown in here but a line, something would have been nice. Other than the parellelism at the Goodman house.
Veronica is pretty cold in the bathroom. I can fanwank a lot of stuff going on underneath but damm - cold girl. You broke up with him - he is the one who should be all bitter, not you.
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Post by Linda on Nov 17, 2005 8:25:02 GMT -5
Hi all! Cool postings! Excellent episode except for the severe lack of Cliff. Arrrrgh! It's 2 3 am here, but a couple of thoughts occurred to me about this episode. Silly me had to share, cause they seemed shiny... So, the chart in the investment class about who's up and who's down -- morality chart? The rankings were: Beaver, Veronica (lots of murky actions this season), Logan, Duncan and Dick. Duncan's stock is dropping and Dick is the lowest of the low. All based on choices. (Pixi -- ask and ye shall receive. ) The other parallel I saw was how the baby sittees correlated to the boys, too. I think that the robo-kid with the decaptating artistic bent matches Duncan pretty well. The spoiled tyrant would match Dick. The stressed-out Mom-squashed boy would be Beaver. And the poor, abused child in the closet -- Logan. Interesting that the child was a girl in this case. So our emancipated boys are as emancipated as ... hookers? Linda, hope this makes sense after sleep...
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 17, 2005 8:37:36 GMT -5
Things I'm disappointed in: They didn't address Logan's abuse from Daddy Aaron at all. I realize that there was a lot thrown in here but a line, something would have been nice. Other than the parellelism at the Goodman house. Veronica is pretty cold in the bathroom. I can fanwank a lot of stuff going on underneath but damm - cold girl. You broke up with him - he is the one who should be all bitter, not you. They didn't mention Logan's abuse directly, but I thought we were definitely meant to think of it - the ep featured Veronica trying to help a child being abused, while trying to help Logan, at the same time. A direct mention . . . I think it would have been overkill, and taken away from Lamb's mention of same, at the end. I loved the whole Lamb thing, we've seen hints of his layers in the past - he's never come off, to me, as "bad," just easily manipulated and unsure of himself. This was great - I felt sure he was going to do just what he did - pull over, let the kids out once he'd gotten them safely out of there without alarming Grace's parents . . . and then go back. Can't wait to see where it goes from there. Dick continues to be "over-the-top" with his actions. And I again think this is a signal to us that despite the smile and goofiness, he is not just a harmless doofus. I think he is serious trouble, and much darker than any of the other "boys." I think Veronica is being overly cold to Logan because she has to be, to contain the hot feelings. She wouldn't need that much ice on the surface, if she didn't have that fire roaring inside. Duncan and Kendall - well, Kendall definitely tried to give Logan the impression she had been successful tempting Duncan, but it was really hard to tell. I think it is possible he did have sex with her. Duncan is something of a mystery in this area. People complain about Duncan's portrayal, but I think we are getting just what Rob T wants us to get. Duncan is very much "inside himself" and doesn't let other see what he is really about. Duncan was a sweetie in this episode mostly - getting concerned about the little girl, taking part in helping her out. He could have blown the whole thing off, but he did not. The Goodmans: It did remind me of the Echolls' household right away (again, I think we were meant to remember Logan's abuse.) Something is definitely up with Woody. It also worried me that Gia was sooooo oblivious to her little brother's treatment - suggests either she was treated the same way, so to her it is "normal" (like she acted about the "baskets") or that she is protecting herself with denial or some combo thereof.
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Post by Pixi on Nov 17, 2005 8:40:56 GMT -5
Love the fact that Logan quoted Frank Sinatra's That's Life:
I've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, A poet, a pawn and a king. I've been up and down and over and out And I know one thing: Each time I find myself, flat on my face, I pick myself up and get back in the race.
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 17, 2005 8:46:34 GMT -5
Hi all! Cool postings! Excellent episode except for the severe lack of Cliff. Arrrrgh! It's 2 3 am here, but a couple of thoughts occurred to me about this episode. Silly me had to share, cause they seemed shiny... So, the chart in the investment class about who's up and who's down -- morality chart? The rankings were: Beaver, Veronica (lots of murky actions this season), Logan, Duncan and Dick. Duncan's stock is dropping and Dick is the lowest of the low. All based on choices. (Pixi -- ask and ye shall receive. ) The other parallel I saw was how the baby sittees correlated to the boys, too. I think that the robo-kid with the decaptating artistic bent matches Duncan pretty well. The spoiled tyrant would match Dick. The stressed-out Mom-squashed boy would be Beaver. And the poor, abused child in the closet -- Logan. Interesting that the child was a girl in this case. So our emancipated boys are as emancipated as ... hookers? Linda, hope this makes sense after sleep... Very shiny! I love the little kid comparisons to the big kids, and the "morality" chart. Poor Beaver. He is quite the totally rejected child. I hope Veronica takes him under her wing.
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Post by Pixi on Nov 17, 2005 9:13:03 GMT -5
Things I'm disappointed in: They didn't address Logan's abuse from Daddy Aaron at all. I realize that there was a lot thrown in here but a line, something would have been nice. Other than the parellelism at the Goodman house. Veronica is pretty cold in the bathroom. I can fanwank a lot of stuff going on underneath but damm - cold girl. You broke up with him - he is the one who should be all bitter, not you. They didn't mention Logan's abuse directly, but I thought we were definitely meant to think of it - the ep featured Veronica trying to help a child being abused, while trying to help Logan, at the same time. A direct mention . . . I think it would have been overkill, and taken away from Lamb's mention of same, at the end. I loved the whole Lamb thing, we've seen hints of his layers in the past - he's never come off, to me, as "bad," just easily manipulated and unsure of himself. This was great - I felt sure he was going to do just what he did - pull over, let the kids out once he'd gotten them safely out of there without alarming Grace's parents . . . and then go back. Can't wait to see where it goes from there. Dick continues to be "over-the-top" with his actions. And I again think this is a signal to us that despite the smile and goofiness, he is not just a harmless doofus. I think he is serious trouble, and much darker than any of the other "boys." I think Veronica is being overly cold to Logan because she has to be, to contain the hot feelings. She wouldn't need that much ice on the surface, if she didn't have that fire roaring inside. Duncan and Kendall - well, Kendall definitely tried to give Logan the impression she had been successful tempting Duncan, but it was really hard to tell. I think it is possible he did have sex with her. Duncan is something of a mystery in this area. People complain about Duncan's portrayal, but I think we are getting just what Rob T wants us to get. Duncan is very much "inside himself" and doesn't let other see what he is really about. Duncan was a sweetie in this episode mostly - getting concerned about the little girl, taking part in helping her out. He could have blown the whole thing off, but he did not. The Goodmans: It did remind me of the Echolls' household right away (again, I think we were meant to remember Logan's abuse.) Something is definitely up with Woody. It also worried me that Gia was sooooo oblivious to her little brother's treatment - suggests either she was treated the same way, so to her it is "normal" (like she acted about the "baskets") or that she is protecting herself with denial or some combo thereof. Oh I agree that we were meant to think of Logan's abuse. I just would have liked something. But you are right in that it would have blunted Lamb's reveal. Linda - I love the way you linked each abused child to one of our players. Very, very nice. Bravo!
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Post by Lola m on Nov 17, 2005 9:58:52 GMT -5
I'm a bit completely blown away. Amazing, disturbing episode. I'm going to start with my usual fangirl likes and dislikes before I jump full feet into analytical mode: Now we see why MM why so excited about this episode. Lamb has layers. The ending - flat out creepy. The first time I watched it (and yes I did watch the show 3x last night) the music distracted me but the second time it hooked me. Creepy music, creepy ending all without words. So very well done. And Lamb needed to be more than just a jackass. Well, well, well. Yep. Suddenly there's a whole 'nother side to Lamb. I think . . . it's like . . . Veronica is the old Veronica - last season Veronica - with Logan. The hard outer shell, acting all "why should I" when he presents the case and then doing what she should. It's like how she used to be with, well, virtually all her clients last year. Heck, with virtually everyone last year. Something went on with Kendall. I can't quite decide if he really had sex with her or not. But something is up. We're starting to see what was hinted at with that "my honest boyfriend" line. Loved that we went back to the FBLA club meeting - this show doesn't throw things away! I'm such a continuity ho! And I agree, those lines mean more than just talking about the stock market. I'm not surprised that we saw a fair amount of Beaver in this episode about child neglect/abuse. And that we saw not only Kendall, but also his mother and heard a lot of conversation about his dad. This whole season has been gangbusters!
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Post by Lola m on Nov 17, 2005 10:05:45 GMT -5
Hi all! Cool postings! Excellent episode except for the severe lack of Cliff. Yes. The lack of Cliff was the only disappointment. ;D I knew you'd come to our rescue! Ooooh, I like that! There really are some nice parallels, aren't they? The closet link is . . . well. Effective. Another good one! Very much so!
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Post by Lola m on Nov 17, 2005 10:11:38 GMT -5
Things I'm disappointed in: They didn't address Logan's abuse from Daddy Aaron at all. I realize that there was a lot thrown in here but a line, something would have been nice. Other than the parellelism at the Goodman house. Veronica is pretty cold in the bathroom. I can fanwank a lot of stuff going on underneath but damm - cold girl. You broke up with him - he is the one who should be all bitter, not you. They didn't mention Logan's abuse directly, but I thought we were definitely meant to think of it - the ep featured Veronica trying to help a child being abused, while trying to help Logan, at the same time. A direct mention . . . I think it would have been overkill, and taken away from Lamb's mention of same, at the end. I loved the whole Lamb thing, we've seen hints of his layers in the past - he's never come off, to me, as "bad," just easily manipulated and unsure of himself. This was great - I felt sure he was going to do just what he did - pull over, let the kids out once he'd gotten them safely out of there without alarming Grace's parents . . . and then go back. Can't wait to see where it goes from there. Dick continues to be "over-the-top" with his actions. And I again think this is a signal to us that despite the smile and goofiness, he is not just a harmless doofus. I think he is serious trouble, and much darker than any of the other "boys." I think Veronica is being overly cold to Logan because she has to be, to contain the hot feelings. She wouldn't need that much ice on the surface, if she didn't have that fire roaring inside. Duncan and Kendall - well, Kendall definitely tried to give Logan the impression she had been successful tempting Duncan, but it was really hard to tell. I think it is possible he did have sex with her. Duncan is something of a mystery in this area. People complain about Duncan's portrayal, but I think we are getting just what Rob T wants us to get. Duncan is very much "inside himself" and doesn't let other see what he is really about. Duncan was a sweetie in this episode mostly - getting concerned about the little girl, taking part in helping her out. He could have blown the whole thing off, but he did not. The Goodmans: It did remind me of the Echolls' household right away (again, I think we were meant to remember Logan's abuse.) Something is definitely up with Woody. It also worried me that Gia was sooooo oblivious to her little brother's treatment - suggests either she was treated the same way, so to her it is "normal" (like she acted about the "baskets") or that she is protecting herself with denial or some combo thereof. *nods, nods, nods* I wonder if we have the reverse of the Echolls. Mommy is . . . wacko and daddy is keeping the public face up, making everything look "normal". 'Cuz we have similar issues with public perception in each of their fields - entertainment and politics. And Gia is acting oblivious - like Logan's sister.
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