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Post by Lola m on May 14, 2010 20:22:36 GMT -5
Cas and his “Oh! I’m supposed to lie. Sure – they’re gonna be fine.” “Hey, guys. Is your father home?” And then Lucifer echoes the “hey guys”. Creepy! “They were foster care at best. I’m your real family.” Oh, that’s a line from the devil if I ever heard one. “I suggest we imbibe copious amounts of alcohol.” I can get behind that, dude! I do like the framing structure provided by Chuck the prophet’s storytelling. “If we’ve already lost, guess I’ve got nothing to lose.” And “Then I ain’t going to let him die alone”. Kind of sums Dean up, yeah? **pets Dean** Return of the dysfunctional angels/devil/god family saga. You made daddy leave! Get ready to fight! Aaaaaaaand here comes Dean! Whoa! Castiel go boom! Whoa! Bobby! “It’s OK, I’m here, I’m not going to leave you.” The Car! And the memories! The story framing device was important! (Of course it was, Chuck is a prophet.) Oh, Sam! So brave! And he pulls Michael in with him! Cas! Not exploded! Because the apocalypse is over/won/didn’t happen? Because the fight was all inside Sam’s head? Because he’s all angel powered again? “Cas, are you God?” “That’s a nice complement. But no.” Bobby back too! Nice bit of meta at the end, with the “endings are hard” writer-ly commentary. Just going there and admitting it is hard to wrap up stories, hard to create something that will work for you and your vision of story, that will work for most of your audience, and acknowledging you will never create something that works for everyone. I love Dean! If Cas sees God, Dean says to tell him he’s coming for him next. No paradise, no hell, just the same. And Dean follows his promise to Sam. Ooooh! Is Chuck the prophet a supernatural being himself? Oh! Or are they implying he’s “God” because he’s the author? Which would be kind of extraordinarily meta, yeah? Ooooh, so is it Angel!Sam at the end there? Or Lucifer!Sam and he fooled them? Or . . . ?
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Post by Lola m on May 14, 2010 20:32:42 GMT -5
I just read Mo Ryan's review of the episode, and I agreed with a lot of what she said. I really liked this: This show is about feelings. Yes, it's about red-blooded dudes riding around in their muscle car and killing monsters. But that's all for show. We know the truth, right?
All that stuff is a cover for a whole lot of gooey, extravagantly and unsuccessfully repressed feelings. It's honestly, at times, "Gilmore Girls" with extra added zombies.
And so, just to give the whole finale that extra added poignance we love so much, we got the prophet Chuck, who really felt like a stand-in for Kripke, telling us the story of the Metallicar. We already knew this, but it was still lovely hear him tell us it wasn't just a car, but a symbol of all those feelings. The car wasn't just a car, it was literally a vehicle for Sam and Dean's relationship; it transported them through their childhood and into their difficult youths and into their sometimes fractious adulthoods.
In other words, the show = the Impala.
And in conclusion: Hey Assbutt! Heee - Gilmore Girls with zombies! Also? Nice quote! Emotion being the key to beating the devil - the love and care between the two brothers. Yes!! Assbutt! Hey!! ;D
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Post by Lola m on May 14, 2010 20:40:34 GMT -5
So - having missed a bunch of eps, I am trying to watch this finale nonetheless. So far, this is my fave line: "The Devil's in Detroit!" Heh....fits with the whole emphasis on the Impala. Hmmm....IMPALA. I wonder..... They do the opening montage so well. Love their use of Carry On My Wayward Son. You are so very very right.
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Post by Lola m on May 14, 2010 20:49:35 GMT -5
Stull CemeteryInteresting. "Two young men...and a car." So cool. This is what Supernatural has always been about. The supernatural folklore of the U.S. Thanks for the link!
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Post by Queen E on May 14, 2010 23:50:51 GMT -5
Cas and his “Oh! I’m supposed to lie. Sure – they’re gonna be fine.” “Hey, guys. Is your father home?” And then Lucifer echoes the “hey guys”. Creepy! “They were foster care at best. I’m your real family.” Oh, that’s a line from the devil if I ever heard one. “I suggest we imbibe copious amounts of alcohol.” I can get behind that, dude! I do like the framing structure provided by Chuck the prophet’s storytelling. “If we’ve already lost, guess I’ve got nothing to lose.” And “Then I ain’t going to let him die alone”. Kind of sums Dean up, yeah? **pets Dean** Return of the dysfunctional angels/devil/god family saga. You made daddy leave! Get ready to fight! Aaaaaaaand here comes Dean! Whoa! Castiel go boom! Whoa! Bobby! “It’s OK, I’m here, I’m not going to leave you.” The Car! And the memories! The story framing device was important! (Of course it was, Chuck is a prophet.) Oh, Sam! So brave! And he pulls Michael in with him! Cas! Not exploded! Because the apocalypse is over/won/didn’t happen? Because the fight was all inside Sam’s head? Because he’s all angel powered again? “Cas, are you God?” “That’s a nice complement. But no.” Bobby back too! Nice bit of meta at the end, with the “endings are hard” writer-ly commentary. Just going there and admitting it is hard to wrap up stories, hard to create something that will work for you and your vision of story, that will work for most of your audience, and acknowledging you will never create something that works for everyone. I love Dean! If Cas sees God, Dean says to tell him he’s coming for him next. No paradise, no hell, just the same. And Dean follows his promise to Sam. Ooooh! Is Chuck the prophet a supernatural being himself? Oh! Or are they implying he’s “God” because he’s the author? Which would be kind of extraordinarily meta, yeah? Ooooh, so is it Angel!Sam at the end there? Or Lucifer!Sam and he fooled them? Or . . . ? I wonder if the Chuck disappearing bit is a metacommentary on Eric Kripke leaving the show after this season, particularly since Chuck always seemed to equal Kripke. Hmm. I don't know. It was rather low-key in tone. And I have NO idea what I'm going to write.
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Post by Sue on May 15, 2010 22:09:42 GMT -5
Didn't follow SPN for any of the first 3 seasons or all of 4th. Got interested this year. Wrote that one post a while back about a lot of the interesting theological stuff -- which it doesn't seem like most people really care much about. Possibly SPN is not, in general, a show that theologically inclined Christians watch all that much. (I didn't insult anyone by that generalization did I?)
Anyway, I wrote down a few random thoughts while watching, all from my very limited exposure to SPN:
I really like the guy they cast as Adam. I think they did a great job. He looks so terribly young and yet still is a seriously good enough actor to sell you on the gravitas of Michael-possession.
Adam: angels/heaven/good? Sam: the devil/hell/demons/bad Dean: everyman caught in the struggle between good and evil = humanity = "Adam" in the sense of Romans where Adam's original sin is representative of the choice all men (generic men, also women) have/do/will make to choose self over God = original sin
I though Jared Padelecki's acting while possessed by Lucifer was excellent. I thought the directing/filming choices were excellent -- especially the face of possessed Sam in the mirror showing 2 images.
He took Michael with him! I don't think it will go well for Michael in Hell.
Dean at the end: sooooooooooo alone. Chooses not to bring Sam back or suicide. Chooses to go on. Again, this makes me think of mankind/humanity when faced with loss and pain and bad stuff: all you can do is go on, try to make connections, try to find a family of some sort to belong to. So alone and yet seeking to not be alone. (This is also an extremely Christian AND universal concept.)
I wrote down "peace or freedom" -- I'm sure it was used as a phrase but now I can't recall the context. Oh yeah, was it Cas? Would you rather have peace or freedom? (Somewhat implying that free will is not going to lead to world peace or perhaps even inner peace because of the choices some of us (all of us?) will make. But would we trade our freedom for peace? Not likely.)
Dean for some reason made me think of a Katrina survivor who has lost family and everything.
What was Sam thinking when he looked thru the window?
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My verdict: really excellent finale. Actually, even though I don't feel the same way about the show (although I know others do) I thought that it was, in its way and for this show, quite equal to "The Gift" as a series finale. Similar even in the sacrifice of the one for the many, but particularly his brother.
I know it's not the series finale but I applaud Mr. Kripke for having the gumption to stick with this finale even after the show was renewed rather than backing off of it or trying to string the concept out for another season.
I don't know where season six will go. I wonder if some fans will think of SPN season 6 like some Buffy fans thought of season 6 (and 7) -- there are those who thought that even with her death, The Gift was pretty much a perfect finale for Buffy.
Where do we go from here?
Well done, gentlemen, well done.
The true danger lies ahead. What does one follow that up with?
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Post by Queen E on May 15, 2010 23:05:14 GMT -5
Karen:
Yes, thank you for the link. That'll help with my article!
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Post by SpringSummers on May 16, 2010 12:59:06 GMT -5
Didn't follow FPN for any of the first 3 seasons or all of 4th. Got interested this year. Wrote that one post a while back about a lot of the interesting theological stuff -- which is doesn't seem like most people really care much about. Possibly SPN is not, in general, a show that theologically inclined Christians watch all that much. (I didn't insult anyone by that generalization did I?) Anyway, I wrote down a few random thoughts while watching, all from my very limited exposure to SPN: I really like the guy they cast as Adam. I think they did a great job. He looks so terribly young and yet still is a seriously good enough actor to sell you on the gravitas of Michael-possession. Adam: angels/heaven/good? Sam: the devil/hell/demons/bad Dean: everyman caught in the struggle between good and evil = humanity = "Adam" in the sense of Romans where Adam's original sin is representative of the choice all men (generic men, also women) have/do/will make to choose self over God = original sin I though Jared Padelecki's acting while possessed was excellent. I thought the directing/filming choices were excellent -- especially the face of possessed Sam in the mirror show 2 images. He took Michael with him! I don't think it will go well for Michael in Hell. Dean at the end: sooooooooooo alone. Chooses not to bring Sam back or suicide. Chooses to go on. Again, this makes me thing of mankind/humanity when faced with loss and pain and bad stuff: all you can do is go on, try to make connections, try to find a family of some sort to belong to. So alone and yet seeking to not be alone. (This is also an extremely Christian AND universal concept.) I wrote down "peace or freedom" -- I'm sure it was used as a phrase but now I can't recall the context. Oh yeah, was it Cas? Would you rather have peace or freedom (free will is not going to lead to world peace or perhaps even inner peace because of the choices some of us (all of us?) will make. But would we trade our freedom for peace? Not likely.) Dean for some reason made me think of a Katrina survivor who has lost family and everything. What was Sam thinking when he looked thru the window? ============ My verdict: really excellent finale. Actually, even though I don't feel the same way about the show (and I know others do) I thought that it was, in it's way and for this show, quite equal to "The Gift" as a series finale. Similar even in the sacrifice of the one for the many, but particularly his brother. I know it's not the series finale but I applaud Mr. Kripke for having the gumption to stick with this finale even after the show was renewed rather than backing off of it or trying to string the concept out for another season. I don't know where season six will go. I wonder if some fans will think of SPN season 6 like some Buffy fans thought of season 6 (and 7) -- there are those who thought that even with her death, The Gift was pretty much a perfect finale for Buffy. Where do we go from here? Well done, gentlemen, well done. The true danger lies ahead. What does one follow that up with? Thanks for these thoughts, Sue. I am hoping Monnie stops in to share her two cents. I agree it was a well done finale. Don't know if I would put it quite up there with The Gift, but I'm not a good judge anyhow, not having watched the show as much, or feeling as invested. But anyhow: Well done SPN writers, staff, and cast! Have always been very happy that BtVS went on for more seaons after S5, so hopefully, SPN will do the same great job at continuing the storyline. Several people mentioned Michael being "pulled into hell," so I wonder if I didn't miss that - I can't really remember it clearly, but my whole impression was that they both went willingly . . . I mean, Michael wanted the fight.
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Post by Sue on May 16, 2010 16:30:21 GMT -5
Didn't follow FPN for any of the first 3 seasons or all of 4th. Got interested this year. Wrote that one post a while back about a lot of the interesting theological stuff -- which is doesn't seem like most people really care much about. Possibly SPN is not, in general, a show that theologically inclined Christians watch all that much. (I didn't insult anyone by that generalization did I?) Anyway, I wrote down a few random thoughts while watching, all from my very limited exposure to SPN: I really like the guy they cast as Adam. I think they did a great job. He looks so terribly young and yet still is a seriously good enough actor to sell you on the gravitas of Michael-possession. Adam: angels/heaven/good? Sam: the devil/hell/demons/bad Dean: everyman caught in the struggle between good and evil = humanity = "Adam" in the sense of Romans where Adam's original sin is representative of the choice all men (generic men, also women) have/do/will make to choose self over God = original sin I though Jared Padelecki's acting while possessed was excellent. I thought the directing/filming choices were excellent -- especially the face of possessed Sam in the mirror show 2 images. He took Michael with him! I don't think it will go well for Michael in Hell. Dean at the end: sooooooooooo alone. Chooses not to bring Sam back or suicide. Chooses to go on. Again, this makes me thing of mankind/humanity when faced with loss and pain and bad stuff: all you can do is go on, try to make connections, try to find a family of some sort to belong to. So alone and yet seeking to not be alone. (This is also an extremely Christian AND universal concept.) I wrote down "peace or freedom" -- I'm sure it was used as a phrase but now I can't recall the context. Oh yeah, was it Cas? Would you rather have peace or freedom (free will is not going to lead to world peace or perhaps even inner peace because of the choices some of us (all of us?) will make. But would we trade our freedom for peace? Not likely.) Dean for some reason made me think of a Katrina survivor who has lost family and everything. What was Sam thinking when he looked thru the window? ============ My verdict: really excellent finale. Actually, even though I don't feel the same way about the show (and I know others do) I thought that it was, in it's way and for this show, quite equal to "The Gift" as a series finale. Similar even in the sacrifice of the one for the many, but particularly his brother. I know it's not the series finale but I applaud Mr. Kripke for having the gumption to stick with this finale even after the show was renewed rather than backing off of it or trying to string the concept out for another season. I don't know where season six will go. I wonder if some fans will think of SPN season 6 like some Buffy fans thought of season 6 (and 7) -- there are those who thought that even with her death, The Gift was pretty much a perfect finale for Buffy. Where do we go from here? Well done, gentlemen, well done. The true danger lies ahead. What does one follow that up with? Thanks for these thoughts, Sue. I am hoping Monnie stops in to share her two cents. I agree it was a well done finale. Don't know if I would put it quite up there with The Gift, but I'm not a good judge anyhow, not having watched the show as much, or feeling as invested. But anyhow: Well done SPN writers, staff, and cast! Have always been very happy that BtVS went on for more seaons after S5, so hopefully, SPN will do the same great job at continuing the storyline. Several people mentioned Michael being "pulled into hell," so I wonder if I didn't miss that - I can't really remember it clearly, but my whole impression was that they both went willingly . . . I mean, Michael wanted the fight. I believe Michael wanted the fight then and there (planning/hoping/expecting to put the beat down on Lucifer). Michael did NOT want Sam jumping Lucifer back into hell, even though that would have imprisoned him again because they Michael wouldn't get the fight. I don't think Michael had any thought of entering hell with Lucifer. Sam clearly grabbed onto Adam as he jumped in. (At least, I think it was clear.)
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Post by Squeemonster on May 16, 2010 20:57:20 GMT -5
Here's my long-ass thoughts on the season 5 finale, copy/pasta'd from my LJ:
I had planned to do my recap a bit different than usual--I wasn't going to do stream-of-consciousness this time around, I was going to just do my general thoughts and impressions. But, then i got to watching the ep, started typing and pausing and typing, and here we go.
"Truth is, watching out for you, it's kind of been my job. More than that, it's kind of who I am....Maybe I gotta grow up a little, too." Just a few sentences, but that encompasses a good bit of the past five years of this show. When this show is on it's game, it is ON.
Their love for and faith in each other, as symbolized by the Impala, saved the world. The Impala represents everything that they love in this world, it's their home.
I'm gonna miss that opening credit. Their coolest one yet. And yes, I cried as soon as "Carry On..." started playing.
"Awww, ain't he a little angel." So, one of the rare times Dean looks at or references Cas with some affection and Cas is unconscious and not aware of it. Figures.
LOVED Chuck's voiceover narration about the Impala. "It's the blemishes that make her beautiful." It's the human flaws that make her real. The effects of free will. Yes, they're flaws, but that's what makes them beautiful--they're "our" flaws, all our own.
"A fiddle of gold against your soul says I'm better than youuu..." Goddamn, I'm gonna miss Marksha Nick. And they get mucho bonus points for quoting "Devil Went Down To Georgia." Ohh! Music vid idea!!
That look on Dean's face when Samifer disappears, those tears in his eyes, the utter devastation and helplessness . . . just, wow. Jensen, you break my heart without even saying a word.
"You don't have to be mean." You tell him, Cas! "Junkless sissy." WTF, writers?! Why must you make Dean mean to Cas ALL THE FUCKING TIME?!
"But they were never, in fact, homeless." I cannot believe that the voiceover narration makes me cry like a little bitch. This was a genius move on the writers' part. Fantastic way to weave it all together and drive (c what I did thar) the point home. This story is about the Winchesters and the strength of their bond and their love, the Impala included because she represents all that they hold dear, and the voiceover is a great way to emphaisze this, as well as emphasize how different and special this episode is from all that's come before it. This really is the end of an era.
So, Chuck (kripke) has a whole "virgin/hooker" thing going on. Yep, sounds about right, since they can't seem to write a decent female character (aside from Pam, which you could say is another casualty of that, since they felt the need to kill her off--they didn't know what to do with her). I guess I can at least give the writers some credit for being self-aware of this fault and trying to joke with us about it. So, Chuck (Kripke) has too much respect for Becky (us) to fuck us? Do me a favor, Kripke, try to come to grips with the fact that you can fuck us (give us what we want) and still respect us in the morning. We'll all be happier once you understand this. (Yeah, I have no idea where I'm going with this metaphor, either, JUST HUMOR ME, OKAY?)
Stull Cemetery? That is AWESOME. *applauds writers*
"The only thing you're gonna see out there is Michael killing your brother." "Well then I ain't gonna let him die alone." BREAK MY HEART AGAIN, WHY DON'T YOU, DEAN?"
I just cannot say enough about how much I love the way Lucifer is portrayed on this show. So sympathetic, I really do feel for him, I sympathize way more for him than I do Michael. And I really believed he did not want to kill any of his brothers, and especially Michael. He just couldn't admit that he might be wrong, he could not get over that feeling of being wronged by God and his brothers, he couldn't let it go.
The first time I saw the scene where Dean pops that tape in and blasts that song, I thought it was kind of cheesy. I was thinking, "Um, inappropriate much?" But then I realized that that's Dean, in a nutshell. That's his own blue-collar, rock-lovin' way to git 'er done, with a GED and a give-'em-hell attitude. Plus, the lyrics to "Rock of Ages" are oddly appropriate for that scene--all about free will and doing things your own way:
Gunter glieben glauchen globen All right I got something to say Yeah, it's better to burn out Yeah, than fade away All right Ow Gonna start a fire C'mon! Rise up! gather round Rock this place to the ground Burn it up let's go for broke Watch the night go up in smoke
Rock on! Rock on!
Drive me crazier, no serenade No fire brigade, just Pyromania
What do you want? What do you want? I want rock'n'roll, yes I do Long live rock'n'roll
"Hey! Assbutt!" LOLOLOLOLOL, that's never going to get old. And I love the way Dean was all, "Assbutt?" Yes, Dean, Cas's choice of profanities is the most important thing to concern yourself with right now, lololol.
Samifer making Cas go asplodey? Did not hurt me as much as probably should have. I knew there was no way that was it for my bb. But seriously, ya'll? They enjoy blowing Cas up way too much on this show. STOP IT, WRITERS, OR I WILL BLOW YOUR ASSES UP AND SEE HOW YOU LIKE IT.
I did love Cas's "Oh, shit" face when Samifer said "Did you just molotov my brother with holy fire?" Oh, my poor angel, you always do seem to blow first and think later, where Dean is concerned. HE'S NOT WORTH IT, BB, YOU DESERVE BETTER.
I mean, seriously! Cas jumped in and gave up his life AGAIN just to give Dean 5 minutes with his brother--when there was no guarantee he could even reach Sammy, to begin with. And Dean still doesn't give a shit about Cas. Cas just gives and gives and gives, and Dean gives him nothing in return.
And Dean screams when Bobby is killed. Of course. No reaction when Cas is killed, though. *fumes* (And before anyone calls me out on it, yes, I do think Dean should have reacted exactly that way when Bobby died, it would have been OOC if he hadn't. I just think he should have show some emotion when Cas died, as well. And to have him not react at Cas's death, to me, is a level of OOC-ness that pisses me off.)
"Sammy, it's okay, I'm here, I'm here. I'm not gonna leave you." Yeah, that is so beautifully brutal. Or brutally beautiful. Whichever. Well done on gutting me, writers.
"Which would you rather have? Peace or freedom?" I'D RATHER HAVE DEAN BEING NICE TO HIS ANGEL FOR ONE GODDAMN MINUTE, WHY IS THAT NOT AN OPTION, WRITERS?
Okay, you know what? I don't like that they have Cas being all hunky-dory with going back up to heaven and taking charge. I think that is butchering the character of Cas and his journey. And thought that his journey was about understanding humanity, learning to love it for all its flaws, wanting to be a part of it, wanting to have his own free will and all that this encompasses. And yes, I do realize that Cas made a choice to go back to heaven and therefore was exercising free will, but I think the Cas that was being portrayed to us up until this episode would have chosen to stay on Earth. He's not like the other angels, heaven is not a place that he can be happy. Not to mention that he now apparently is okay with the fact that God had abandoned them for so long? He's now a believer again? I just . . . I don't get what the point of his journey was if he's just going to go back to heaven now, willing to take charge.
Also, what the fuck is up with the Dean/Cas relationship? I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's like the writers were scared they were pissing off the Wincesters with all the D/C subtext, so they decided to, not only completely do away with the subtext, but to do away with it to the point of retroactively snuffing all the subtext from last season. Do they really feel that there can't be both love for Wincesters and love for Dean/Cas fans? Because honestly, it's not like we D/C fans ask for a lot--a tiny bit of subtext every couple episodes will keep us going for a long time. I guarantee you that a large majority of D/C fans are aware that the Dean and Sam relationship is the most important relationship on the show, and we wouldn't have it any other way. We LOVE it that way. But a layered and deep relationship (slash or otherwise) between Dean and Cas does not mean that the Sam and Dean relationship has to suffer. I hate to say this about a group of writers that contains two of my favorite tv writers ever (Edlund and Carver), but if they were better writers they'd be able to handle two meaningful relationships/storylines at a time.
And it is obvious, to me at least, that in order to halt the growth of the relationship and subtext between Dean and Cas the writers felt they had no choice but to keep the two characters apart as much as possible, and to make Dean as hostile as they could towards Cas when they had a scene together. Because, those two actors have so much chemistry together that the only way to keep any subtext from happening was to keep them out of scenes together. Or make Dean act as if he doesn't even know Cas, or make Dean act as if he loathes Cas. I also believe this is why Misha did not get to be in the number of episodes he was contracted for. It's so frustrating to think about all the potential this friendship had last season. I knew the odds were good that I'd be disappointed with how it was handled this season, but I had no idea it'd be this much of a let down. It truly hurts to think of what a disservice was done to the character of Castiel. I know this isn't the Castiel show, but it doesn't have to be to do his storyline correctly. What a waste. [/end rant. for now]
I get why they had Dean go to Lisa at the end. He's fulfilling his promise to Sam. I still think in some ways it should have been Cassie instead, but I see why they had it be Lisa. Because of Ben. Dean needs a family. He feels he needs to give that kid the father he never had, he needs to raise that kid right, something he was never given the chance to do with Sammy. Oh man, that kills me. Dean Winchester is such a tragic character. I think he's going to realize that this isn't the kind of life for him, no matter how much he wants it to be. He can't be happy there, it's not who he is. But I think he'll try his damnedest for a while, for Ben's sake and to try to keep his promise to Sam. And I think it's good that he's finally getting this chance to realize that this dream he's always had of the apple-pie life isn't going to make him happy. Now he'll never have doubts, he'll never be wondering "what if...."
And then Cas will show up, say he's sick of heaven and misses Dean, and Dean will realize that it was Cas all along that'll make him happy, and they'll go off together, find a way to bring Sammy back (because I'm not so sure that was Sam under that busted street lamp, so I'll save that theory for another day), and then they'll build a house together the next town over from Bobby (because Bobby says he couldn't stand to live in the same town as those three idgits), and they'll do demon/ghost hunts every once in a while, but mostly they'll tend to their normal routines, which consist of Dean's job as local mechanic, Sam's job as the town's computer guru, and Cas will take psychology classes at the local community college towards his degree as a couples therapist, as well as tending to their house, doing the cooking and cleaning, and seeing to Dean's sexual needs.
They totally need to hire me as a writer for season six.
And Chuck? Yeah, I think he was God. I mean, that's M. Night Shyamalan-level douchiness, right? Writing the character who represents you out to be God? And you know what? I think that's adorable. One last wink wink, nudge nudge from Kripke. Yeah, I kind of loved that. I don't think Chuck has been God the whole time, though. I think Chuck was sort of like his vessel. I could be wrong, though. Wouldn't be the first time.
So. Them's my thoughts after my second viewing of the episode. I won't lie to ya'll, I was a mess that night after the episode. I was devastated over the way they did Cas and the Dean/Cas relationship. It kind of hit me that we've gone all season and they've barely given us D/C fans anything to make us happy. WE DIDN'T EVEN GET THE HUG THAT WE'VE BEEN BEGGING ALL SEASON FOR, YA'LL. I don't think a hug was asking for too much. And it's a shame that Cas's journey wasn't much of a journey at all. So much more could have been done with him. I hope SO FREAKING MUCH WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING that he returns as a regular for next season, and that the writers do their best to make up for neglecting his storyline this year. It's the least they could do. And Sam and Dean's stories do not have to suffer for it, it can be done, writers, trust me. In fact, their storylines could benefit from it. Stranger things have happened.
I don't know about ya'll, but I'm excited for season six. After taking a few days to isolate all that I disliked about the finale from that which worked for me, I love my cracky little show again. It's not without it's faults, but I wouldn't have it any other way. Its faults are what makes it more beautiful, and what endears it to me all that much more. Its faults are what give me the strength to overpower Satan long enough to jump into the vortex of hell and save the world.
*ahem*
Maybe I should turn off the tv, open the front door, and step out into the real world for a little while. Just until next season starts, at least.
So, I'm here, I'm not leaving fandom any time soon (at least, not if Misha is in season six--if he's not, I make no promises. I wish I could say it would make no difference, but he's the reason I'm here, after all.)
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Post by Squeemonster on May 16, 2010 21:10:08 GMT -5
So - having missed a bunch of eps, I am trying to watch this finale nonetheless. So far, this is my fave line: "The Devil's in Detroit!" Yeah, it's been an ongoing thing since the fourth ep of the season--the ep where they jumped ahead in the future to 2014. Dean was told that Sam said yes to Lucifer in Detroit. It always had to be Detroit......
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Post by Squeemonster on May 16, 2010 21:14:17 GMT -5
I wonder what is meant by "he won't see Bobby for a very long time." I mean - what is a "very long time," to the writers? Dean is finding some comfort. Good move - I mean, not to tough it out alone. There are rumors that there is going to be some kind of time jump for the new season, but no idea how far ahead in time. I'm hoping it's not too far ahead because I really would have a difficult time accepting the thought of Dean being able to stay tied down for a long time. That's just not who he is. A couple months maybe, but I can't see it being any longer than that. I dunno.
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Post by Squeemonster on May 16, 2010 21:15:23 GMT -5
I just read Mo Ryan's review of the episode, and I agreed with a lot of what she said. I really liked this: This show is about feelings. Yes, it's about red-blooded dudes riding around in their muscle car and killing monsters. But that's all for show. We know the truth, right?
All that stuff is a cover for a whole lot of gooey, extravagantly and unsuccessfully repressed feelings. It's honestly, at times, "Gilmore Girls" with extra added zombies.
And so, just to give the whole finale that extra added poignance we love so much, we got the prophet Chuck, who really felt like a stand-in for Kripke, telling us the story of the Metallicar. We already knew this, but it was still lovely hear him tell us it wasn't just a car, but a symbol of all those feelings. The car wasn't just a car, it was literally a vehicle for Sam and Dean's relationship; it transported them through their childhood and into their difficult youths and into their sometimes fractious adulthoods.
In other words, the show = the Impala.
And in conclusion: Hey Assbutt! Prezzactly. I love Mo Ryan's reviews.
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Post by Squeemonster on May 16, 2010 21:30:36 GMT -5
Cas and his “Oh! I’m supposed to lie. Sure – they’re gonna be fine.” I loved how it was obvious he was mirroring Dean. That was such a Dean expression and reaction, so Cas has obviously learned most of his human subtleties on Dean. Plus, he looked over to Dean to get his approval and/or to see if Dean was watching. Gah, that relationship just kills me. Yes, it sums Dean up exactly. Oh that whole montage where Sam was flashing to everything was just gorgeous, especially ending all silent with Dean grabbing and hugging Sam's dead body from when Sam died at the end of season 2--that's what really gets me sobbing every time. My god, these brothers love each other so much, they are each other's worlds. It's so dysfunctional, but no less beautiful and heartbreaking. Yeah, I loved that last bit with Chuck. It's really taking a poke at the fans--he knows a lot of us are not going to be happy with this ending. But the writers get it, you know? They get that it's a good thing that a lot of the fans are going to be pissed--it's because we all love this show so passionately. They'd much rather have us pissed than not care at all. As furious as I get with them, I know most of the writers love these characters just as much as, if not more than, me. It all comes from a huge well of love for this little show and these characters. So, I kind of felt like that was Kripke saying, "Hey guys, I know some of you aren't going to be happy with this, I know some of you may hate it, but please don't forget we all still love you and love these guys and we did are best to make you happy and take these characters where we thought they needed to go. We're all in the same boat here, so don't think we've forgotten you, we hope you stay tuned for the next chapter." Now, if they'd just recognize all us D/C fans that are feeling hurt and neglected, I'd be a really happy camper. I have no idea who or what that was at the end! I would think the streetlight going out implies some sort of supernatural being......
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Post by Squeemonster on May 16, 2010 21:32:14 GMT -5
Cas and his “Oh! I’m supposed to lie. Sure – they’re gonna be fine.” “Hey, guys. Is your father home?” And then Lucifer echoes the “hey guys”. Creepy! “They were foster care at best. I’m your real family.” Oh, that’s a line from the devil if I ever heard one. “I suggest we imbibe copious amounts of alcohol.” I can get behind that, dude! I do like the framing structure provided by Chuck the prophet’s storytelling. “If we’ve already lost, guess I’ve got nothing to lose.” And “Then I ain’t going to let him die alone”. Kind of sums Dean up, yeah? **pets Dean** Return of the dysfunctional angels/devil/god family saga. You made daddy leave! Get ready to fight! Aaaaaaaand here comes Dean! Whoa! Castiel go boom! Whoa! Bobby! “It’s OK, I’m here, I’m not going to leave you.” The Car! And the memories! The story framing device was important! (Of course it was, Chuck is a prophet.) Oh, Sam! So brave! And he pulls Michael in with him! Cas! Not exploded! Because the apocalypse is over/won/didn’t happen? Because the fight was all inside Sam’s head? Because he’s all angel powered again? “Cas, are you God?” “That’s a nice complement. But no.” Bobby back too! Nice bit of meta at the end, with the “endings are hard” writer-ly commentary. Just going there and admitting it is hard to wrap up stories, hard to create something that will work for you and your vision of story, that will work for most of your audience, and acknowledging you will never create something that works for everyone. I love Dean! If Cas sees God, Dean says to tell him he’s coming for him next. No paradise, no hell, just the same. And Dean follows his promise to Sam. Ooooh! Is Chuck the prophet a supernatural being himself? Oh! Or are they implying he’s “God” because he’s the author? Which would be kind of extraordinarily meta, yeah? Ooooh, so is it Angel!Sam at the end there? Or Lucifer!Sam and he fooled them? Or . . . ? I wonder if the Chuck disappearing bit is a metacommentary on Eric Kripke leaving the show after this season, particularly since Chuck always seemed to equal Kripke. Hmm. I don't know. It was rather low-key in tone. And I have NO idea what I'm going to write. That's kind of how I took it. Let me know if you wanna pick my brain!
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