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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 12, 2011 9:55:08 GMT -5
Our governor (Kasich), who is apparently trying to compete with Wisconsin's governor for most douchey, is trying to get an anti-union bill passed (Issue 2). As we head toward the November elections, we are watching the usual confusing and misleading array of ads about all the issues . . . but this story takes the cake. It is about a pro Issue 2 ad that uses footage of a grandmother whose grandson and great-grandaughter were saved by Cincinnati firefighters. The thing is, they use footage of her coming out AGAINST issue 2, but edit out the "vote no" part, and use it for their "vote yes" campaign. She is upset, as you can imagine. That is sinking so low that I am almost hoping someone was deliberately sabotaging that "vote yes" ad. It would be better than thinking any could be both this unethical AND this dumb. It has "backfire" written all over it!
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Oct 12, 2011 11:45:58 GMT -5
Great sign from OWS (from a random Greener on my facebook list) Julia, after a day of overwork and ridiculous weather. Julia - sadly, not showing up. ARGH! Oh, well, Facebook has been all vigilant on the intellectual property front, although since this was a public event and an amateur pic I thought I'd get away with it. Will transcribe shortly. Young woman with sign: I inherited money at 21. I have had health and dental insurance all my life. I want to live in a world where we all have enough. I have more than enough. TAX ME!! I am the 1% Standing with the 99%
occupy wall street Julia, I'm a rebel...
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Post by Karen on Oct 12, 2011 12:40:03 GMT -5
Julia - sadly, not showing up. ARGH! Oh, well, Facebook has been all vigilant on the intellectual property front, although since this was a public event and an amateur pic I thought I'd get away with it. Will transcribe shortly. Young woman with sign: I inherited money at 21. I have had health and dental insurance all my life. I want to live in a world where we all have enough. I have more than enough. TAX ME!! I am the 1% Standing with the 99%
occupy wall street Julia, I'm a rebel... Faux news is becoming more and more of a joke everyday, because of the OWS 'mob' bringing to attention the way they 'skew' the news, if not out right lie at times. Speaking of lying and being evasive ... last night's debates were hard to watch. There were fact checkers posting on Twitter after every supposedly factual comment. It was great entertainment, not to mention a learning experience. People should learn to question everything they hear before taking it as gospel. I mean, isn't that the human way? How did that get lost along the way? “Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.” - Benjamin Franklin
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 20, 2011 17:54:21 GMT -5
ARGH! Oh, well, Facebook has been all vigilant on the intellectual property front, although since this was a public event and an amateur pic I thought I'd get away with it. Will transcribe shortly. Young woman with sign: I inherited money at 21. I have had health and dental insurance all my life. I want to live in a world where we all have enough. I have more than enough. TAX ME!! I am the 1% Standing with the 99%
occupy wall street Julia, I'm a rebel... Faux news is becoming more and more of a joke everyday, because of the OWS 'mob' bringing to attention the way they 'skew' the news, if not out right lie at times. Speaking of lying and being evasive ... last night's debates were hard to watch. There were fact checkers posting on Twitter after every supposedly factual comment. It was great entertainment, not to mention a learning experience. People should learn to question everything they hear before taking it as gospel. I mean, isn't that the human way? How did that get lost along the way?“Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.” - Benjamin Franklin I actually tend to think the opposite. But then again, I'm a cynic. Also, what I said earlier notwithstanding, I'm also starting to get the same feeling about Occupy Wall Street that I get about the Tea Party Movement. Namely, that I'd like to see them do more than hold rallies and support a particular platform, and instead transform their energy and ideas into action and actually making our country a place. But it's still early yet, so I have hope that the movement can move in that direction. I saw 2 people walking around holding signs in downtown Casper last weekend. If I have time this weekend, I might wander down there to see if anything is going on.
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Post by Karen on Oct 24, 2011 12:50:25 GMT -5
Faux news is becoming more and more of a joke everyday, because of the OWS 'mob' bringing to attention the way they 'skew' the news, if not out right lie at times. Speaking of lying and being evasive ... last night's debates were hard to watch. There were fact checkers posting on Twitter after every supposedly factual comment. It was great entertainment, not to mention a learning experience. People should learn to question everything they hear before taking it as gospel. I mean, isn't that the human way? How did that get lost along the way?“Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.” - Benjamin Franklin I actually tend to think the opposite. But then again, I'm a cynic. Also, what I said earlier notwithstanding, I'm also starting to get the same feeling about Occupy Wall Street that I get about the Tea Party Movement. Namely, that I'd like to see them do more than hold rallies and support a particular platform, and instead transform their energy and ideas into action and actually making our country a place. But it's still early yet, so I have hope that the movement can move in that direction. I saw 2 people walking around holding signs in downtown Casper last weekend. If I have time this weekend, I might wander down there to see if anything is going on. Don't sell peaceful but loud and persistent demonstrations short. Especially the OWS stuff. Much of what they are doing includes holding daily General Assemblies where people get together and share ideas for action and how to keep the movement going. 10,000 showed up for the march in Chicago on Saturday night. The only thing they reported on in network news was the 130 or so arrests of the ones who wouldn't leave the park at closing time. What kind of actions would you like them to do? Maybe you can share your ideas with the Caspar group. I'd be interested in hearing about it. Also - the original "Tea Party'' was co-opted and used by the Republicans to promise all sorts of things, jobs mostly, and got their supposed Tea Party representatives voted in and all they did was promote the agenda of the big-moneyed interests who want to privatize everything from our schools to our water supplies. People got wise in Wisconsin and are going to conduct a recall vote of the governor in January. A lot of true Tea Party people are joining the OWS people. Quite contrary to media hype, the members are not anti-capitalist. Pete Seeger leading a small march on Saturday night after his concert in NYC was very inspiring. 92 years old and walking with 2 cans for 2 hours. I watched it on the Livestream channel - Live. There were a few thousand marchers, all singing and smiling. The police kept a civil distance, for once. Arlo Guthrie joined up at the end and they sang a few old folk protest songs. Very low key. First you gather your army.....
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 24, 2011 21:18:31 GMT -5
I actually tend to think the opposite. But then again, I'm a cynic. Also, what I said earlier notwithstanding, I'm also starting to get the same feeling about Occupy Wall Street that I get about the Tea Party Movement. Namely, that I'd like to see them do more than hold rallies and support a particular platform, and instead transform their energy and ideas into action and actually making our country a place. But it's still early yet, so I have hope that the movement can move in that direction. I saw 2 people walking around holding signs in downtown Casper last weekend. If I have time this weekend, I might wander down there to see if anything is going on. Don't sell peaceful but loud and persistent demonstrations short. Especially the OWS stuff. Much of what they are doing includes holding daily General Assemblies where people get together and share ideas for action and how to keep the movement going. 10,000 showed up for the march in Chicago on Saturday night. The only thing they reported on in network news was the 130 or so arrests of the ones who wouldn't leave the park at closing time. What kind of actions would you like them to do? Maybe you can share your ideas with the Caspar group. I'd be interested in hearing about it. Also - the original "Tea Party'' was co-opted and used by the Republicans to promise all sorts of things, jobs mostly, and got their supposed Tea Party representatives voted in and all they did was promote the agenda of the big-moneyed interests who want to privatize everything from our schools to our water supplies. People got wise in Wisconsin and are going to conduct a recall vote of the governor in January. A lot of true Tea Party people are joining the OWS people. Quite contrary to media hype, the members are not anti-capitalist. Pete Seeger leading a small march on Saturday night after his concert in NYC was very inspiring. 92 years old and walking with 2 cans for 2 hours. I watched it on the Livestream channel - Live. There were a few thousand marchers, all singing and smiling. The police kept a civil distance, for once. Arlo Guthrie joined up at the end and they sang a few old folk protest songs. Very low key. First you gather your army..... I admittedly haven't had the time to follow things that closely, and it sounds like there is indeed more going on than I was aware of. So, if indeed the movement is preparing to take action to address social injustice etc (not just to keep the movement going, but actually working on mitigating the very things they are protesting in the first place), then I have no worries. I'm also pleased that the original Tea Partiers are joining the movement as well. As for myself, I have lots of ideas, but I've got to concentrate my energies on finishing school, boards, and getting a good residency position right now. Also, most of the ideas I have will be easier to show than to tell. So that will have to wait until I've settled down for good and have started practicing. Also, wrt to the Occupy Wall Street movement, I'm not going to do more than follow it from afar. I can't do anything that will prevent future potential patients from coming to me for help, and that includes me becoming publicly associated with anything controversial.
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Post by Karen on Oct 24, 2011 23:02:36 GMT -5
Don't sell peaceful but loud and persistent demonstrations short. Especially the OWS stuff. Much of what they are doing includes holding daily General Assemblies where people get together and share ideas for action and how to keep the movement going. 10,000 showed up for the march in Chicago on Saturday night. The only thing they reported on in network news was the 130 or so arrests of the ones who wouldn't leave the park at closing time. What kind of actions would you like them to do? Maybe you can share your ideas with the Caspar group. I'd be interested in hearing about it. Also - the original "Tea Party'' was co-opted and used by the Republicans to promise all sorts of things, jobs mostly, and got their supposed Tea Party representatives voted in and all they did was promote the agenda of the big-moneyed interests who want to privatize everything from our schools to our water supplies. People got wise in Wisconsin and are going to conduct a recall vote of the governor in January. A lot of true Tea Party people are joining the OWS people. Quite contrary to media hype, the members are not anti-capitalist. Pete Seeger leading a small march on Saturday night after his concert in NYC was very inspiring. 92 years old and walking with 2 cans for 2 hours. I watched it on the Livestream channel - Live. There were a few thousand marchers, all singing and smiling. The police kept a civil distance, for once. Arlo Guthrie joined up at the end and they sang a few old folk protest songs. Very low key. First you gather your army..... I admittedly haven't had the time to follow things that closely, and it sounds like there is indeed more going on than I was aware of. So, if indeed the movement is preparing to take action to address social injustice etc (not just to keep the movement going, but actually working on mitigating the very things they are protesting in the first place), then I have no worries. I'm also pleased that the original Tea Partiers are joining the movement as well. As for myself, I have lots of ideas, but I've got to concentrate my energies on finishing school, boards, and getting a good residency position right now. Also, most of the ideas I have will be easier to show than to tell. So that will have to wait until I've settled down for good and have started practicing. Also, wrt to the Occupy Wall Street movement, I'm not going to do more than follow it from afar. I can't do anything that will prevent future potential patients from coming to me for help, and that includes me becoming publicly associated with anything controversial. I completely understand the sentiment. I'm keeping a low profile myself at work, because the office is so conservative. Ironically, one of the main things that OWS is shining a light on is how our main stream media twists the truth about things, and putting a label on them is what they'll try to do, so that they can then try to destroy it. It's not anti-capitalist. Or pro-communist. Or anarchist, as some are suggesting. But it is anti-fear mongering. We shouldn't be afraid for our jobs if we support a group trying to keep our freedoms intact. But that is the way of the world today.
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Post by S'ewing S'cubie on Oct 27, 2011 16:48:18 GMT -5
I'm taking a novel stand: I'm pro-people.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 4, 2011 23:17:46 GMT -5
I'm taking a novel stand: I'm pro-people. I love you, Diane.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 4, 2011 23:25:24 GMT -5
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 5, 2011 11:17:52 GMT -5
Some interesting things that I've found regarding The Occupy movement: they've set up a tumbler where everyone who wants can post their story: wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/There's a pretty astute analysis of what's been posted here: rortybomb.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/parsing-the-data-and-ideology-of-the-we-are-99-tumblr/It kind of reminds me of that DS9 episode where sisko and a bunch of the crew end up in SF of the past (actually our future) where there's a ghetto for the unemployed and in the end Sisko saves the day by setting up a way for everyone in the ghetto to tell their story to the outside media. The other is this "move your money" campaign, where the idea is for everyone to close whatever accounts they have at the corporate banks and open accounts at local community banks or credit unions. The idea's actually been around for a while, as part of the Slow Money movement, but The Occupy movement seems to have adopted it, so it will probably get more attention. This pleases me because it's exactly the kind of concrete action that I was hoping to see from The Occupy movement. I've been planning on doing this myself for a while now, but I need to wait until I settle down again and actually have a local bank again. I also will need to talk to a financial planner about a whole host of issues before I do anything, I think.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 5, 2011 11:37:27 GMT -5
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 10, 2011 22:51:30 GMT -5
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Nov 13, 2011 0:13:23 GMT -5
Sometimes when I get feeling down about temporary regression back into a more consumptive, less sustainable life style, rewatching documentaries like No Impact Man and Food Inc cheer me up a little. *Sigh* I moseyed down to say hi to the Occupy Casper folks last week. They're not doing much more here but hanging out, holding signs, but they were nice. I'm going to see try to see what's going on in the other places I'm in. Don't really have the time to do much more at the moment, but at least it makes up for not participating in any of the anti-starting-the-Iraq-War protests back in the day.
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Post by Karen on Nov 15, 2011 10:42:23 GMT -5
Anti- Iran war protests anyone? Hey Sue - Is your BIL's church in lower Manhattan? I heard they offered OWS - NYC people refuge there.
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