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Post by Queen E on Apr 29, 2005 13:41:38 GMT -5
This is the once and future home for discussion of UPN's 2-minute downloadable previews.
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Post by artemis on Apr 29, 2005 15:03:30 GMT -5
well, somebody should post in this thread - people keep checking here, apparently  my first thoughts were: -poor, poor logan (assuming he was being sincere in the second scene), realizing at the same time both that veronica had been raped *and* that she suspected him -weevil's comment to logan about which bothered logan more, the thought that lilly was using weevil for sex or the thought that she loved weevil, was really intriguing -as a fellow survivor i could really relate to veronica's desire to go vomit |
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Post by sunworshipper on Apr 29, 2005 15:09:34 GMT -5
That, my friends, is a great teaser.
It looks like Logan didn't get to finally talk to Veronica for three days after the aborted date.
Is Weevil implying (with his "You won't lay hands on her like you did with Lilly!" comment) that Logan beat up Lilly? I wonder if this is based on someone she told Weevil, something he observed about her (bruises, etc.), or something he read in a spy-pen note. I don't believe for a second that Logan did beat her but maybe someone else did. I haven't been buying the Lilly-slept-with-Aaron theories but now I'm wavering.
No matter how it goes, I'm wondering if Lilly's image will be tarnished by the end of the season.
I thought I liked Weevil but his attitude in confronting Logan upsets me. Not angry enough if he really thinks Logan abused Lilly or Veronica and too nasty and gloating if he doesn't.
The conversation between Veronica and Logan -- wow. Some great acting there. That slamming of the door feels like a kick in the head everytime I hear it.
BTW, the V-L convo seems choppy once or twice. Maybe they cut some stuff out. I noticed the MAD teaser was missing not only short scenes but even a couple of lines within the Tad-Carmen scene.
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Post by artemis on Apr 29, 2005 15:28:50 GMT -5
No matter how it goes, I'm wondering if Lilly's image will be tarnished by the end of the season. i've been thinking a lot about this (almost mentioned it in my previous post in this thread), particularly how this might tie in with the carmen storyline from last week. i wonder if it's more rumors than action (either that logan started some or that lilly and/or weevil thought he did) or perhaps about logan cheating on lilly? it reminded me so strongly of "crush" on buffy the first time i saw it, and has continued to every time since. |
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Post by Queen E on Apr 29, 2005 16:15:03 GMT -5
That, my friends, is a great teaser. It looks like Logan didn't get to finally talk to Veronica for three days after the aborted date. Is Weevil implying (with his "You won't lay hands on her like you did with Lilly!" comment) that Logan beat up Lilly? I wonder if this is based on someone she told Weevil, something he observed about her (bruises, etc.), or something he read in a spy-pen note. I don't believe for a second that Logan did beat her but maybe someone else did. I haven't been buying the Lilly-slept-with-Aaron theories but now I'm wavering. No matter how it goes, I'm wondering if Lilly's image will be tarnished by the end of the season. I thought I liked Weevil but his attitude in confronting Logan upsets me. Not angry enough if he really thinks Logan abused Lilly or Veronica and too nasty and gloating if he doesn't. The conversation between Veronica and Logan -- wow. Some great acting there. That slamming of the door feels like a kick in the head everytime I hear it. BTW, the V-L convo seems choppy once or twice. Maybe they cut some stuff out. I noticed the MAD teaser was missing not only short scenes but even a couple of lines within the Tad-Carmen scene. The more I watch VM, the more I realize that, aside from a Buffylike feeling to the show, its true antecedent is Twin Peaks...which would definitely cast Lily as the Laura Palmer. I have a feeling that yes, Lily will not come out of this like, well, a lily. |
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Post by sunworshipper on Apr 29, 2005 19:32:23 GMT -5
The more I watch VM, the more I realize that, aside from a Buffylike feeling to the show, its true antecedent is Twin Peaks...which would definitely cast Lily as the Laura Palmer. I have a feeling that yes, Lily will not come out of this like, well, a lily. Yes, I seem to recall that like shades of Logan and V, Laura's boyfriend ended hooking up with her best friend. And Laura had been cheating on him with another guy. Laura was killed by her stepfather, right? Keep your eye on Jake. One difference is that I hear David Lynch never wanted to solve the murder. The network pressured him into revealing the killer. Thank God that Rob Thomas is less sadistic. |
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Post by Queen E on Apr 29, 2005 21:05:21 GMT -5
Yes, I seem to recall that like shades of Logan and V, Laura's boyfriend ended hooking up with her best friend. And Laura had been cheating on him with another guy. Laura was killed by her stepfather, right? Keep your eye on Jake. One difference is that I hear David Lynch never wanted to solve the murder. The network pressured him into revealing the killer. Thank God that Rob Thomas is less sadistic. Indeed. David Lynch is a magnificent bastard! Ending the show with Agent Cooper smashing his head against the mirror and saying "Where's Annie?" was such a mean thing to do...I kind of love him for it. |
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Post by artemis on Apr 30, 2005 5:51:25 GMT -5
Indeed. David Lynch is a magnificent bastard! Ending the show with Agent Cooper smashing his head against the mirror and saying "Where's Annie?" was such a mean thing to do...I kind of love him for it. yes, that took serious guts. "magnificent bastard" seems the perfect descriptor for it. |
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Post by sunworshipper on May 4, 2005 0:06:06 GMT -5
Okay, there goes Logan's alibi all shot to hell. As many suspected, the one person with an air-tight alibi was too good to be true.
I'm still not convinced that Logan is the killer. But even if he's not, he's lied big-time about what he knows about the murder. It's likely he either killed her or knows who did. He's Troy raised to the power of infinity!
Except that Rob Thomas is pulling another fantastic fake-out. That scene is the teaser so the real story has to be even terrific. ATttD rocked! LItB will rule!
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Post by raenstorm on May 4, 2005 10:20:00 GMT -5
Well, that opening scene just proves Pixi may be right that Logan was emphasizing that he wants Veronica to trust him because he's got more secrets to tell....
After all, he's well aware that she's investigating Lilly's murder and he knows that she is certain he has an alibi.
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Post by Sue on May 4, 2005 11:47:59 GMT -5
Well, that opening scene just proves Pixi may be right that Logan was emphasizing that he wants Veronica to trust him because he's got more secrets to tell.... After all, he's well aware that she's investigating Lilly's murder and he knows that she is certain he has an alibi. Horns of a dilemma: Is he not telling her because he did have something to do with the murder, or Is he not telling her because he knows he did not have anything to do with the murder and thinks that her questioning his possible involvement would just be a distraction for her. Beaver: "My real name is Cassidy". (what is Veronica's real name? Lilly's real name? the murderer's real name?) |
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Post by artemis on May 4, 2005 13:03:35 GMT -5
the mystery genre fan in me feels like this is a bit of sloppy work.
didn't someone on the main VM board say a few weeks ago that it had previously been said logan was in europe, not mexico, at the time of the murder?
and if beaver and dick are logan's alibi - why would veronica have ever thought it was "airtight"? they've never been shown to be anywhere near reliable, even to us viewers, and veronica's hardly naive.
but! i was all kinds of psyched about keith finally proving so strongly that he was right, and lamb wrong, that the newspaper printed a story saying so. yay for keith! how sweet the taste of vindication.
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Post by Pixi on May 4, 2005 14:08:00 GMT -5
Hey my first time over here. Okay - wow! So Logan lied. Well all those shrieking (not on this board  ) for snarky, shades of grey, no longer smoopy Logan are probably doing little dances of glee at the moment. But please, there is simply no way Logan can be the murderer. Is Rob Thomas really going to do this? Have it be the jealous boyfriend? How Law and Order can you go? I do think that this is what Logan has been afraid of coming out. Why he has been so tremulous with Veronica and this must play into the do you trust me? Because I think he wanted to tell her about this but needed a drink first. But then my little shipper heart may be influencing me here. ;D I would not have trusted Dick and the Beav further than I could throw them. And while I think we were deliberating misled to think Europe - I don't think it was ever actually said. Mexico does make much more sense. ARGH - I almost wish I hadn't watched it. I'm so depressed. Seriously - Rob, I don't like the fact that a television show can depress me. You know - I have loved VM from the beginning but after the Wrath of Con and Russkie Business this show stole my soul. Turned me into a seriously obsessed viewer. My son asked me today - Mom were you posting on the computer in the middle of the night last night? And I was all - well I had to see what everyone else thought about the show. I need therapy. Logan better not be the killer. Because whether he intended to do this or not, RT has me seriously invested in his character, all the layers, all the traumas, all the smoopiness, everything. If this is taken out of the mix, the show will be the less for it. |
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Post by Pixi on May 4, 2005 14:12:04 GMT -5
Yes, I seem to recall that like shades of Logan and V, Laura's boyfriend ended hooking up with her best friend. And Laura had been cheating on him with another guy. Laura was killed by her stepfather, right? Keep your eye on Jake. One difference is that I hear David Lynch never wanted to solve the murder. The network pressured him into revealing the killer. Thank God that Rob Thomas is less sadistic. Interesting. And I loved the Chinatown shout out last night of sleeping with his sister - though not the actual ick/squick of the deed or the fact - just the movie allusion. And Jake as the murderer would work for me as he was my actual first choice as murderer. Though I've now switched to Aaron (which means they are probably both wrong ;D) |
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Post by Pixi on May 4, 2005 14:13:39 GMT -5
Okay, there goes Logan's alibi all shot to hell. As many suspected, the one person with an air-tight alibi was too good to be true. I'm still not convinced that Logan is the killer. But even if he's not, he's lied big-time about what he knows about the murder. It's likely he either killed her or knows who did. He's Troy raised to the power of infinity! Except that Rob Thomas is pulling another fantastic fake-out. That scene is the teaser so the real story has to be even terrific. ATttD rocked! LItB will rule! We can't possibly get the identity of the murderer right at the beginning of the show. It has to be a fake out. It's Logan's turn to be the red herring. Duncan had a turn, Weevil had a turn - you're up Logan. |
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) for snarky, shades of grey, no longer smoopy Logan are probably doing little dances of glee at the moment.