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Post by Pixi on May 4, 2005 14:15:41 GMT -5
Well, that opening scene just proves Pixi may be right that Logan was emphasizing that he wants Veronica to trust him because he's got more secrets to tell.... After all, he's well aware that she's investigating Lilly's murder and he knows that she is certain he has an alibi. Ohhh - I might be right? I'm almost never right. Hee, hee. But I want Sue's scenario. Logan better not be the murderer. (Do you think if I say that enough the power of positive thinking will kick in?)
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Post by raenstorm on May 4, 2005 14:33:13 GMT -5
On the Europe/Mexico thing... if I remember correctly, I believe V said he was out of the country - she didn't specify where.
Also - UPN has a different PROMO up... extended version of what we saw last night. It, uh, addresses some of the stuff brought up here - which is why I'm pointing it out. I don't think it's "spoiler" really but felt safer posting here about it than over on the VM thread.
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Post by Sara on May 4, 2005 14:35:55 GMT -5
Okay, there goes Logan's alibi all shot to hell. As many suspected, the one person with an air-tight alibi was too good to be true. I'm still not convinced that Logan is the killer. But even if he's not, he's lied big-time about what he knows about the murder. It's likely he either killed her or knows who did. He's Troy raised to the power of infinity! Except that Rob Thomas is pulling another fantastic fake-out. That scene is the teaser so the real story has to be even terrific. ATttD rocked! LItB will rule! I'm with you and Pixi--they don't cast suspicion on Logan in the teaser if he's going to end up being the guilty party 58 minutes later. Especially when we now know he's not one to come forward about something simply out of the goodness of his heart. As to the question artemis posed: I'm pretty sure Veronica only referred to Logan being "in a foreign country" at the time of Lilly's murder, but I could very well be wrong.
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Post by Sara on May 4, 2005 14:41:31 GMT -5
On the Europe/Mexico thing... if I remember correctly, I believe V said he was out of the country - she didn't specify where. Also - UPN has a different PROMO up... extended version of what we saw last night. It, uh, addresses some of the stuff brought up here - which is why I'm pointing it out. I don't think it's "spoiler" really but felt safer posting here about it than over on the VM thread. Given how hard the promo works to point the finger toward Logan, I'm more convinced than ever that he didn't do it--the cut from "he's psychotic" to an image of Logan was a particularly subtle touch. ETA: The new promo can be accessed on this page.
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Post by raenstorm on May 4, 2005 14:58:15 GMT -5
I'm with you and Pixi--they don't cast suspicion on Logan in the teaser if he's going to end up being the guilty party 58 minutes later. Especially when we now know he's not one to come forward about something simply out of the goodness of his heart. As to the question artemis posed: I'm pretty sure Veronica only referred to Logan being "in a foreign country" at the time of Lilly's murder, but I could very well be wrong. Ahh, I found the scene... LOGAN: God, Veronica, and you really believe Lilly's murder was some sort of vast conspiracy? VERONICA: I don't know what you saw. LOGAN: A file on Duncan. VERONICA: [Seriously] There's a file on everyone. LOGAN: [Standing] Yeah. It's thorough. And I'm glad my alibi held up. VERONICA: Out of the country. Two eye witnesses, it's airtight. LOGAN: [Standing in front of Veronica's desk] Hey, what do you think Lilly would make of you investigating all the people who loved her? VERONICA: [Sombrely, pointing to her chest] I loved Lilly. Maybe if I didn't I'd be able to drop this.
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Post by Pixi on May 4, 2005 15:01:49 GMT -5
Given how hard the promo works to point the finger toward Logan, I'm more convinced than ever that he didn't do it--the cut from "he's psychotic" to an image of Logan was a particularly subtle touch. ETA: The new promo can be accessed on this page. Thanks Sara. Eeek and wow! So Lilly's secret is the key. A secret she was happy about at the car wash. So the person on the beach is wearing green and Logan has on green but . . . . Where's Backup when Veronica is yelling and screaming? Looks like the police are coming for Logan doesn't it? But maybe they are just reinterviewing everyone connected with the crime now that Koontz has an alibi. Rob is practically rubbing our nose in Logan is guilty so I simply can not believe that he is. I read somewhere that he checks the previews to make sure that not too much is shown.
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Post by artemis on May 4, 2005 17:57:13 GMT -5
I need therapy. Logan better not be the killer. Because whether he intended to do this or not, RT has me seriously invested in his character, all the layers, all the traumas, all the smoopiness, everything. If this is taken out of the mix, the show will be the less for it. i can sure relate to this. i read once that a good television show has characters that you could imagine as your friends. that's how most of the characters on VM feel to me, and tuesdays are like my weekly phone calls with them. yes, i am fully aware i am dorky. ;D
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Post by artemis on May 4, 2005 18:01:57 GMT -5
LOGAN: [Standing] Yeah. It's thorough. And I'm glad my alibi held up. VERONICA: Out of the country. Two eye witnesses, it's airtight. yeah, dick and beaver hardly seem like super-reliable witnesses. i thought it was a different episode where the europe was mentioned (earlier on) but i'm probably just remembering something that never happened. i agree with everyone that the cluebus hitting us with logan means he's a red herring.
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Post by Pixi on May 5, 2005 8:11:27 GMT -5
yeah, dick and beaver hardly seem like super-reliable witnesses. i thought it was a different episode where the europe was mentioned (earlier on) but i'm probably just remembering something that never happened. i agree with everyone that the cluebus hitting us with logan means he's a red herring. I'm reading that a lot of people are saying that is Logan on the beach and the color of the shirts certainly match so someone tell me why Logan would tell Veronica he wants her dead and why she would threaten him with Backup and sound really scared. Veronica has never been scared of Logan before. Could the color of the shirts be misleading? And when does this scene occur as Veronica has on completely different clothes in this scene than any others. I read that the series would have a romantic cliffhanger of some sort. This sounds like a ship killer to me not a hanger. What does everyone else here think?
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Post by artemis on May 5, 2005 9:09:06 GMT -5
i just watched the extended preview. upn's videos don't work the greatest on my computer, so i can't tell if she is shown as finding something when she's reaching into a wall about 3/4 of the way through. does it show it? also, does it show her trapped somewhere or just being covert?
overall - another "wow"! it seems that the shirt-minus-a-face on the beach lends you to believe it's logan, which might mean it isn't, if that makes sense. and i found it so interesting that they used the lilly flashback in the preview.
aaah! five and a half days to go!
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Post by artemis on May 5, 2005 9:13:04 GMT -5
I read that the series would have a romantic cliffhanger of some sort. This sounds like a ship killer to me not a hanger.What does everyone else here think? i agree. it sounds to me (has since i saw the short preview tuesday) like logan is the one saying something like, "i have this feeling things are going to get really bad" - is that what you guys think too? if so, it sounds to me more like he's worried for her safety, not involved in anything nefarious.
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Post by Pixi on May 5, 2005 10:46:38 GMT -5
i just watched the extended preview. upn's videos don't work the greatest on my computer, so i can't tell if she is shown as finding something when she's reaching into a wall about 3/4 of the way through. does it show it? also, does it show her trapped somewhere or just being covert? overall - another "wow"! it seems that the shirt-minus-a-face on the beach lends you to believe it's logan, which might mean it isn't, if that makes sense. and i found it so interesting that they used the lilly flashback in the preview. aaah! five and a half days to go! It does show her finding something in a vent in what I assume is Lilly's room. And it's hard to makeout but it does look like she is trapped somewhere. I just don't know what to believe about the beach scene at this point. I'm really worried about it I must admit.
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Post by artemis on May 5, 2005 12:33:20 GMT -5
It does show her finding something in a vent in what I assume is Lilly's room. And it's hard to makeout but it does look like she is trapped somewhere. thanks for answering. that clarifies things for me well, we could look at it this way: it's highly unlikely that upn would be highlighting logan in the promos if he were the guilty party, not a red herring. and if he's a red herring, why would she say those things to him? *and*, even if she did say them to him, wouldn't it almost surely be because she erroneously believes at the time that he is guilty of something he's not? the different clothes in particular indicate to me that perhaps it's at the very beginning of the episode.
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Post by Pixi on Jun 21, 2005 8:23:30 GMT -5
Rumours have been flying fast and furious for the past few weeks over changes UPN is supposedly pushing for in next season's VM. For those interested - AskAusciello has obtained an interview with Rob Thomas that he will post on Wednesday, June 22.
This interview will supposedly answer a lot of questions.
Since I have heard the rumours I plan to read this, even if it contains spoilers. Because the rumours are terrifying.
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Post by Pixi on Jun 21, 2005 8:29:26 GMT -5
In case anyone is interested and wants to be spoiled regarding the rumors:
Kristen - at EOnline stated that one of 4 people is supposed to die next year. She said it was either Logan, Wallace, Weevil or Duncan.
She also stated that 2 roles on the show are being scaled back and Veronica is getting a new African-American female sidekick.
A great deal of speculation on what this all entails has been pervading internet sites since this news broke.
I have had 2 emails from UPN myself regarding my emails to them (mostly general form letters but addressing the concerns as I gather they have been inundated).
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