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Post by Linda on Aug 1, 2004 23:29:14 GMT -5
Hi All!
Great posts!
Thanks to Erin and her Angelphile review as well as everyone's subsequent posts, (both here and on the Angelphile thread), I liked this episode *so* much more than the first time I saw it. Angel was a little too ... *not-BtVS* for my taste when it first started. I've grown to love the series since then. I now appreciate the ambiguities and darkness of this series as well as the later seasons of Buffy.
More first ep/last ep connections:
1. Angel's game of chicken with the cars -- hello! Tina's in that other car. What makes him so sure she'd be okay when they crash? Even if he cares about her, his method is still not careful with her safety.
2. When Angel is gearing up for the Russell showdown, he's not looking to save anyone. He's looking for vengeance. It is only Cordy's "fortuitous" presence there that turns his first mission into a "soul-saving" rather than a vengeance gig. He loses Doyle's message pretty quickly.
The guy *is* consistent. Gotta give him that.
Linda, there may have been more, but I got distracted by the following rant.
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Post by Linda on Aug 1, 2004 23:39:07 GMT -5
Okay here's a rant. Feel free to ignore. www.soulfulspike.com/membersavatars/smileys/ranton.gif [/img] I was listening to the Joss Whedon & David Greenwalt commentary for this episode on the DVD. This is what struck me: David Greenwalt's favorite moments in the episode were for the genre-tweaking they did: Angel jumps into the wrong car, Doyle rams the impervious gates. These were very funny moments, I agree. But Joss talks more about the character moments -- reversing what you'd expect about the character and the story. See, I think *this* is what bugged me SO much about the Angel & Spike story in The Girl in Question. Mr. Greenwalt, the director, was so busy tweaking the situation (I can imagine him still calling it "genre" in his head as he's directing), that he neglected the characters. Y'know, I think we get the joke after 5 years. Work your way past the joke (a look or a pause is more than enough, especially with DB & JM) and get back to the characters, please. www.soulfulspike.com/membersavatars/smileys/rantoff.gif [/img] Feel free to tell me I'm wrong. I will post an apology here to Mr. G. if you are able to convince me. Linda, very persistent in her dislikes, apparently, but willing to be argued out of it...
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Post by jeff on Jul 9, 2007 17:55:03 GMT -5
Doyles bedtime story was a good way to introduce Angel to the non BtVS crowd. Without taking too much time to go back and re-hash everything.
It was funny how much Angel seemed so out of place at the party, but so comfortable at night on the streets of LA.
The Cordy intro was classic. It was a great way to show off her more shallow side at the party, it really helps in her character growth over the years on the show. We saw hints of her deepness and caring side on BtVS. I am glad they held the best part of her back for this show.
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Post by jeff on Jul 9, 2007 18:01:25 GMT -5
The introduction of Lindsey, who became one of my favorite characters. He was very complex. Looking back on this episode, it seemed to me they didn't know if he was going to stay around or be killed off. I personally think because of CK acting ability he got to hang around way longer than originally planned. Hence the (IMO) senceless killing of him in the end. He was indisposable, but so much fun to keep around. He and DB played off each other so well.
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Post by Lola m on Jul 11, 2007 12:10:35 GMT -5
The introduction of Lindsey, who became one of my favorite characters. He was very complex. Looking back on this episode, it seemed to me they didn't know if he was going to stay around or be killed off. I personally think because of CK acting ability he got to hang around way longer than originally planned. Hence the (IMO) senceless killing of him in the end. He was indisposable, but so much fun to keep around. He and DB played off each other so well. I love Lindsey's introduction too. Oddly enough, the way he dies kinda fits for me. He was always so obsessed with Angel and to have him die primarily angry that it was a "flunky" and not Angel was a twist that worked for me. And in this ep we really see why the obsession begins.
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