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Post by Dalton on Aug 19, 2003 21:53:25 GMT -5
//Is Angel new tonight? // Angel will be new eps until the new eps are all exhausted, i.e., end of the season.
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Post by Dalton on Aug 19, 2003 21:53:55 GMT -5
Thanks to you both. Michelle, lunch hour is over so I'm busy again. Thank you for your offer, it's a good idea. I think I will e-mail the essays to my work e-mail from home so I'll have them when I need them. Dave, here's hoping that my local network doubles up on episodes one of these weeks. 6 days behind is way too many. Watergal
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Post by Dalton on Aug 19, 2003 21:54:22 GMT -5
David: Are you spoiled on the "Angel" episodes? And, if so, how much? I thought I remembered reading somewhere that you were spoiled but I'm not 100% certain about that. If you are, I have a question to ask you (not here though) - and if you're not, oh well. Thanks! Edited By Lee Hollins at 4/23/2003 1:45:00 PM.
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Post by Dalton on Aug 19, 2003 21:54:59 GMT -5
Lee, I'm EXTREMELY spoiled on both shows. That is, I've been reading up on all the leakage coming out of the Mutant Enemy camp, which I'm understanding there's a lot of misinformation that's purposely coming out regarding BtVS, because Joss is trying desperately to protect any last-minute surprises for the finale. If you want to e-mail me privately, my e-mail address is on my ScoopMe profile.
David Crenshaw
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Post by Dalton on Aug 19, 2003 21:55:33 GMT -5
David, check your email. Thanks in advance! -L :-)
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Post by Dalton on Aug 19, 2003 21:56:07 GMT -5
//Dave, here's hoping that my local network doubles up on episodes one of these weeks. 6 days behind is way too many.// I here ya, Watergal. After that long stretch over the holidays with no new Angel, our WB affiliate here in Maryland chose to delay the first new Angel in lieu of a Wizards game (which ESPN was also carrying, and nearly everyone here has cable). I thought it was disrespectful to the fans of the show. They did air it on the following Saturday, but failed to advertise that they would. I'm more and more beginning to understand why Joss pulled out of the WB and took BtVS to UPN. The only network that's been even less respectful to a Joss Whedon-produced show has been Fox's treatment of Firefly. I even recall a radio ad that I heard listing the hot shows to watch each night on the WB, except that Wednesday night was completely ignored. No mention of Angel. And lets not even bring up how they keep moving Angel all around the schedule, like they're hoping fans will lose track, and they can dump the show and blame it on low ratings. But Fox still gets the award for worst treatment of a show. Firefly starts off on Friday night -- a graveyard for shows -- and got almost no advertisement. Then they made Joss air all the episodes out of order, the premeire episode that provided necessary foundation for the show aired last, after the show had already been cancelled. And lets not forget how they chose to pre-empt it every other week for wrestling or for bad movies I chose not to watch the other hundred times they were on. Then they dumped Firefly and blamed bad ratings. What a shocker, Firefly had bad ratings. Who'd have guessed? Is it just me, or are some of these networks out to destroy certain shows? Did Joss Whedon manage to piss off all of Hollywood by taking a movie everyone said was bad and turning it into a runaway hit television show? Perhaps that's why the man can't even buy an Emmy, either.
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Post by Dalton on Aug 20, 2003 20:44:15 GMT -5
Unless I'm wrong. ...."And I'm never wrong. It's Iocaine pow..." Sorry, channeling Prince Humperdink. I'm pretty confident that tonight is episode 4.20, April 30 is ep 4.21 and May 7 (only 2 weeks from now) is the finale. Which meants Angel ends almost two full weeks before Buffy. I think this is good.
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Post by Dalton on Aug 20, 2003 20:44:42 GMT -5
Yes, David, I know what that is like. The shows shifting and pre-empting technique for having a show cancelled drives me nuts! That's why both Veritas: The Quest and Miracles were cancelled. No one watched because they were constantly being cancelled by some mindless reality TV show. Very frustrating. Watergal
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Post by Dalton on Aug 20, 2003 20:45:07 GMT -5
I went back to this for another reason (future post, no time now) but ran into this quote. Someone else may have already commented on it, but it hit so close to home. //I always intended it to have the kind of impact on popular culture that it did. I wanted Buffy to be a pop icon. I wanted her to be remembered. I wanted her to be in people’s interior lives.// I wanted her to be in people's interior lives. Do you think he really really understands how totally he suceeded in making Buffy part of our interior lives? (And our exterior lives, awake, dreaming, etc. etc.)
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Post by Dalton on Aug 20, 2003 20:45:51 GMT -5
//I always intended it to have the kind of impact on popular culture that it did. I wanted Buffy to be a pop icon. I wanted her to be remembered. I wanted her to be in people’s interior lives.// Is it just me, or does that sound either arrogant or sarcastic (the latter of which is completely not unheard of for Joss)? Is it really possible to predict that a show will become a pop-culture phenom the way Buffy did?
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Post by Dalton on Aug 20, 2003 21:29:46 GMT -5
//That's why both Veritas: The Quest and Miracles were cancelled. No one watched because they were constantly being cancelled by some mindless reality TV show.// Matt Rousch at TV Guide had an interesting comment to this. He noted that a lot of networks are apprehensive now to air science-fiction or fantasy based shows, because there isn't an audience they believe. But the fans aren't watching because we know what happens -- the show lasts a few weeks, we get really hooked, and then it gets yanked for low ratings or it's too expensive or what-have-you. ABC has been one of the worst networks for not giving shows a decent run to see if they'll build an audience; Fox is a close second. Guess ABC has been spoiled by the reality shows and things like Who Wants to be a Millionaire that if they don't see ratings go right through the roof from the very first episode, they pull the show. Not really sure what Fox's excuse is, maybe they just don't like intelligent shows (which is why they seem to love shows like Fastlane). The networks like the reality and game shows because they're cheap to produce, but on the other hand, they don't have the money-making potential on the other end in syndication. Few people are really interested in seeing a Suvivor rerun once they know who the winner is (or isn't). And that includes sales to overseas markets. But the reality shows do make the networks more desiring to get the most bang for their buck -- they nets are less willing to make the investment in a fully-produced show (versus a reality show or game show) because they want the confidence that they'll make money off of it later on.
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Post by Dalton on Aug 20, 2003 21:30:21 GMT -5
//He noted that a lot of networks are apprehensive now to air science-fiction or fantasy based shows, because there isn't an audience they believe.// (from Matt Rousch comments. And yet, look at the movie box office: LOTR, Harry Potter, Matrix, X-Men. The audience is huge and it's out there. It just needs to be done right: well-written, well-produced, well-marketed. Not much on NETWORK TV of that nature in any genre. The few things they've done as "mini-series"--10th Kingdom, Gulliver, et al have been execretable
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Post by Dalton on Aug 20, 2003 21:30:47 GMT -5
David,Possibly arrogant. But I think he believed in it completely.
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Post by Dalton on Aug 20, 2003 21:31:12 GMT -5
I'll be hit-and-run posting for the next few days. But I do read everything. What's up with Vlad--he posted at 2 in the afternoon and signed off before 3 am. Has he been sanshued?
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Post by Dalton on Aug 20, 2003 21:31:37 GMT -5
My dad has senile dementia. Many days he thinks he is just back from being a bomber pilot in WWII. Other days he is waiting to be called back up to fight in WWIII or IV. Either way, it's clear that the war was the defining experience of his 80 years. He has very little memory of 45 years of marriage, work, golf, hunting or 5 kids. So, the way I see it, when I'm residing in some nursing home 30-40 years from now I may well be entertaing the staff with stories about vampires, slayers, hellmouths, watchers, etc. Works for me.
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