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Post by Dalton on Jun 29, 2003 17:27:02 GMT -5
Rusty ‑ since you know all about vertical bar charts maybe you should become Chair of Nosferomathematics. Think of the vertical bars as graphic approximations of stakes. I could put the numbers into a vertical bar chart but don't know any way to mount it on this list. It probably wouldn't be worth the time anyway. I know I detected some snores when I first posted the analysis.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 29, 2003 17:28:30 GMT -5
Hi Robert ‑ You said, 'Vincent Schiavelli is a pretty good character actor, but he went way over the top in this episode. I don't think Angelus cared much for his performance either. :‑)" Yes, Angelus did us all a favor as far as I'm concerned. I've seen that actor in other things and he was not as bad as in that role. I'm very glad the uncle was a transient character. I have seen most episodes many times. I agree that "Becoming" Parts 1 and 2 were very strong, climactic endings for the season. And, of course, the beginning, glimmering ghost of the future for Spike and Buffy.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 29, 2003 17:34:17 GMT -5
>>>Did you watch the series from the beginning? Yes, or basically. I saw the movie at the theatres when it came out and thought it was fairly decent tho' not fantastic. I had not thought of it any further til I had heard they were making a series of it and I remember thinking at the time: "Okay, the movie was different enough and campy enough to be fun, but how is that going to metamorphise into a series...come on." I then proptly dismissed the entire thing from my head. I started my watching on Season 1: Ep. 4. I hadn't intended on watching the show but I managed to catch it via surfing I think. That first season it was on the WB channel here and also being shown the next day on WGN out of Chicago. I enjoyed it from the start and it just simply got better and better. I caught up with the first three eps(the pilot, parts one and two and the witch) when they first showed them as reruns after the series ended it's first season's run. I have taped every single episode from that first season til today it's 7th, as first run (barring two episodes which I was so thrilled to fill the blank spots with from FX last year. To me it's sorta a source of pride that I have seen it all from the start and in order) I have also done the same with Angel since it's inception. (Oh how I miss them being on the same network following each other! It was like having a big two hour episode of Buffy every tuesday. *sigh*) You see, I was a Buffy fan when Buffy fans weren't cool *L* Especially, as I am now a 30‑something male Buffy fan I think I am somewhat a rarity. (However, thank God I found this board, as I now do know for a fact other adult males watch and enjoy the show enough to waste inordinate amounts of time here talking about it.) My friends frequently looked at me atrangely. (Actually they still do, but I think it's more than just my Buffy obsession now *L*) >>>If not, at what point did you start watching? See the thouroughly rambling entry above. >>>What led you to start watching; e.g., were you channel surfing and got drawn in, was it word of mouth, something you read? Ummmm...ooops. Okay See the rambling entry above the previous one. *L* >>>At what point in the series did you become hooked? *coughs* Ummm okay...ditto to the two above replies >>>If you joined the series after Spike was already a part of the show, have you gone back and watched Season One and all the other episodes in subsequent seasons that do not include Spike? *sigh* Okay, maybe this poll doesn't apply to me. However, Spike has always been just about my favorite character since his inception Season 2. What wasn't to like about the guy? He just relished life. An amazing feat for someone who is dead, don'cha think? Seriously, tho' his character is really one of the richest and best written. I think JM is a terrific actor and I can't imagine anyone else playing his role. JM 'IS' Spike. The little nuances that make you love the character are mostly derived from the actor's mannerisms. I have read many of the shooting scripts now and whenever I reach a Spike part, it tells me something... inevitably, as I read the script and see the dialogue I have heard before, I can always remember jsut the way JM performed it and I can't say that I do that as consistently with the other actors tho' it is frequent with them also. Having been a fan of Firefly this season, I began to figure something out about Joss Whedon as a show creator. One of his true strengths lies in the casting. He manages to find the most extrodinary talent in uknown or little known actors. Firefly, had it gone on, I think would have even outshown both Buffy and Angel in the casting department. I was developing an immense liking for each and every one of those guys as deep as for JM as Spike, or Tony Head as Giles. The truth be told, every single one of the Buffyverse's characters, even the simply recurring characters or the one episode ones, have managed to touch a nerve. This season so far, it's been Holden, the psycologist vamp (How I wish he hadn't been dusted!) and possibly Kennedy. But getting back to Spike... (Which I noticed is a requirement for this particular board, however subtly it has been put *wink*) Spike, as I mentioned before has always had a great love of life. He loves chaos and disorder which is really the embodiment of life , at least as he sees it. He is passionate. (Interesting that he got hooked on Soaps and his favorite was named Passions!) He never has put up with decorum. His dusting of the Annoying one (Which, btw is a Spikism that has managed to last 6 seasons) was the big introduction to his character and it has only grown since then. A poster made a comparison earlier in this thread between Spike and Lestat. I whole heartedly agree. His speech to Angel during the Boxer Rebellion, about the thrill being in the fight...taking on the fight against hte odds, shows this. He is as was mentioned elsewhere, "the Fool" from a deck of tarot cards. He signifies change...he is the wild card, always unpredictable always on a journey. Heck, who would have thought he would run off and get his soul way back in season 2? Yet, looking back over it, rewatching the serie's episodes again, you can see it. The character has always been true to form. That's something I think a lot of viewers who watched the series out of order, or haven't seen the whole series yet, or who simply focus on the Spike episodes (winces, waiting to be pummeled) miss out on. I am very glad I got to watch and grow with this show; that I have been forced to be patient and watch it develop literally thru the years now. In 7 or so years, I have grown and changed with it and it makes the slow process of Buffy and and all the Scoobies growing up more real. And Spike too. It's literally taken him years to get from being the BigBad of Season 2 (sorta, anyway) to the multifaceted dark hero of Season 7. Slow, realistic growth. But isn't that what we all love about this show? For all it's demons and vampires and magic and whatnot, it's so darn REAL. Try explaining that statement to the uninitated. Try being a 34 year old male Buffy fan (or even worse, Spike fan) and not coming off sounding as geeky (or gay) as Jonathon,Warren, or ...what's his name?..oh yeah... Andrew! *L* James Marsters was at GenCon in Milwaukee, WI during the late summer of 2001. He was there as a special guest and would be autographing photos. I was attending the convention as I have every year for the last 10 or so and this year my brother and a friend and I all rode 6 hours on our motorcycles from central Indiana to Milwaukee for the weekend event. (GenCon is a role playing convention, ummm... a Dungeons & Dragons and similar games convention for those of you not in the know..the biggest one in the world, attracting over 35,000 people and has been annually for 35 years) Anyway, I was there with my brother (older) and a friend (also older) and I was embarrased to admit I wanted to get an autograph and see the man up close. I finally broke away when we were going to eat dinner and when I got to the area, it was jsut...packed. The room was cordoned off and I wasn't allowed to even take a picture without standing in line. I was dissapointed because I didn't allow myself enough time to wait like 2‑3 hours to get an autograph. The point being... here I am with two guys geeky enough to play D&D into their 40's and yet I was embarrassed to admit that I liked the show enough or an actor well enough to take advantage of a minor life time event. I live in a medium size town in Indiana. It's not like we have stars passing thru everyday. I guess what I am trying to say, is that I really enjoy this board; the intelligent and fun way discussions are approached. It gives me a chance to obsess about the show "publicly" and realize others do the same. I have discovered that most of the people here are intelligent and surprisingly older (not trying to offend here..older than teenagers I mean *L*). It has become one of my favorite places to be. I jsut recently stumbled onto this section in the misc. area and became thoroughly entertained. I noticed that many of my favorite posters from the episodes area are here and it's been a treat to watch them let their hair down and play. Whew! Sorry, I guess I got carried away there...But, then, I was never good at doing polls. I always seem to find that the questions they ask don't neatly apply to the answers I have to give. *L*
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Post by Dalton on Jun 29, 2003 17:35:07 GMT -5
HERE'S MY ANSWERS. SORRY ABOUT CAPS, BUT IT'S TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN Q & A. Did you watch the series from the beginning? YES If not, at what point did you start watching? N/A What led you to start watching; e.g., were you channel surfing and got drawn in, was it word of mouth, something you read? DON'T REMEMBER At what point in the series did you become hooked? ABOUT 3 SECONDS INTO THE THEME If you joined the series after Spike was already a part of the show, have you gone back and watched Season One and all the other episodes in subsequent seasons that do not include Spike? N/A HOWEVER, LOVED SPIKE FROM THE FIRST LINE, "WHO DO YOU KILL FOR FUN AROUND HERE?" More questions may be added as they occur. Your replies will be most appreciated.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 29, 2003 17:35:54 GMT -5
Here's my answers to the poll. What a great idea! Its nice to know that I'm not the only latecomer to the series. No I did not watch from the beginning(obviously)for multiple reasons. Even though I had seen the movie, when I was in college, I (snobbishly) felt that I was too old to watch a teen show by the time the series started since I was now married and an "adult". I caught one new episode of season 4, the one with the demonic roomate and was mildly intrigued(sp?), but then we move and had to get a satellite, so no WB. Then FX started airing repeats, I saw School Hard and LOVED it, but my husband was home until 9 every night before he went to work and it was not his type of show. Then last January, his schedule changed and being completely bored in the evening I started watching from the beginning. Around the same time, our satellite picked up local channels and I started season 6 with Gone. I guess I started watching due to a combination of hearing it was a good show( from Entertainment Weekly), finally getting the channels, and having complete TV control in the evenings. Now my brother and husband say I am obsessed, although I play down the Spike aspect. I think I officially got hooked on Intervention also. I saw that one out of order because my UPN plays 2 sets of repeats from different seasons on the weekends. Since School Hard was one of the earliest I saw, I would have to say Spike is a major reason I kept watching. But the writing is so clever it just kept entertained even if he wasn't on screen. I think I've seen parts of every episode. I have a little girl who is now old enough to pay attention to what I am watching, so I have to change channels if anything remotely objectionable comes on. But now I have Tivo, so I am recording the earlier seasons and watching again and I am finding out I missed quite a bit. Its been fun catching up.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 29, 2003 17:37:11 GMT -5
I don't think the "vengeance is a verb" thing was a screw‑up ‑ I mean, I don't think it means that whoever wrote this line doesn't realize the word vengeance is really a noun. I think the words were chosen to convey the fact that vengeance requires action. I've seen this type of construction before, though I'm hard pressed to tell you where right now . . . but I've read lines like "chocolate is a verb to me" meaning that it's more than a noun, a "thing" ‑ it's something that is strongly associated with actions and reactions, so much so that it "is a verb". I do agree I wasn't sorry to see Angel pay a fatal visit to "the Uncle" in this episode.
Spring Summers
Edited By Spring Summers at 1/16/2003 8:41:00 AM.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 29, 2003 17:38:02 GMT -5
Jenny Callendar's uncle is in stiff competion for worst accent/performance against SIT/Morphy Eve. However did they let that actress onto the show?
deborah cohen
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Post by Dalton on Jun 29, 2003 17:38:50 GMT -5
Did you watch the series from the beginning? Yes If not, at what point did you start watching? What led you to start watching; e.g., were you channel surfing and got drawn in, was it word of mouth, something you read? I had never seen the movie, so when I found out that the movie was being made into a series I wanted to check it out. I love any show that deals with the supernatural, vampires, horror etc. At what point in the series did you become hooked? My boyfriend and I were going to watch the show together but he didn't like it. I ended up recorded a lot of the episodes and then lost track (new relationship, got caught up in him instead)of them. I can't remember when I caught up on the few episodes I missed, but once I did I was hooked. If you joined the series after Spike was already a part of the show, have you gone back and watched Season One and all the other episodes in subsequent seasons that do not include Spike? Since I started watching from the beginning there was no need to go back and watch Spike episodes. I do watch repeats of the old episodes on Fox and UPN in NY just to remember. With or without Spike the show was very good. Well written, well acted‑I think all of the main cast learned their roles better as time went on. Everyone IMO had rough edges. I so love seeing the baby fat on SMG, so very adorable. Willow's long flat red hair and less nasally (sp), Xander thin, nerdy and cute all at the same time, Giles with poofy hair and a very snooty accent, Cordelia just being Cordelia and Angel skinny, in the horrible velour they made him wear (my god what was Joss thinking!)and nervous as hell at being on the screen. I loved all of that from the beginning. Spike/Dru were an added bonus. I really loved the two of them together.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 29, 2003 17:39:38 GMT -5
Just a quick note (then back to work). I just want to thank Robert and vlad imp for posting, it's nice to get some fellas frequenting the board. The oestrogen was getting a bit thick. I'm glad to hear that others are lurking out there although they may choose not to post. I now tend to post almost exclusively here, as I find the episode board too repetitive and long (it's probably repetitive because it's too long and people can't read all the way through) Also, since it is devoted to one episode in particular, I don't feel free to ask how this episode relates to previous episodes in that forum. I do get all the answers I need here though. More likely to get a reply in the Spike/JM forum. Off to another tutorial, today it is fun with the Archimedes principle. M.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 29, 2003 17:40:35 GMT -5
Should we consider creating a new Part to our board when we get a certain number of posts? I ask this because I have found that on the episode boards, once there are too many pages the discussion gets confused. People no longer want to read all the way through before posting replies and so there are repetitive answers. I have not yet seen this confusion on the Spike/JM board, but as we seem to be getting busier by the Part, (See Alexandra K.'s post a few pages back RE: numbers.) it may start to happen. Open to all thoughts, consider it my poll.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 29, 2003 17:41:32 GMT -5
Did you watch the series from the beginning? nope If not, at what point did you start watching? the beginning of season six. Although I think I had seen a few reruns on fx at that point. What led you to start watching; e.g., were you channel surfing and got drawn in, was it word of mouth, something you read? The first Buffy scene I ever saw was the scene in Go Fish where Cordelia thinks Xander is one of those monters but it turns out to be someone else. I thought it was funny but it didn't really hook me (oh, I guess that's a fishing pun, by accident, I swear!). I was home on vacation from college and someone else was watching it. We didn't have tv reception in college so I didn't even think about watching it, and then one day my roommate told me that she was looking forward to getting home because her mom had taped all of the Buffy episodes for her. She told me all about the Buffy/Angel love story, and how Angel was going to have a spinoff. I just thought she was crazy for being so into it. Then, I was home after college and happened to be walking by the tv while someone was watching Intervention. (it must have been during the summer reruns of season five). So, my first look at Spike. I walked in while the Buffybot was telling Spike she felt hot. And I was like, what's going on here? Is that a bad guy? So then I got the story of the chip. I think, interestingly enough, that my second comment was, do you think that guy is hot, I sure don't. Well, maybe without the bleached blond hair... But I think I was still really interested in the character, especially in the last scene of Intervention. I don't really remember, but I know my opinion of his non‑hotness was very shortlived. At what point in the series did you become hooked? After that episode, I wasn't hooked, but I was channel surfing and found the fx reruns not too much later and I started watching them if I happened to be home and not doing much. I think season three was on at the time so no spike. I also made it a point to watch Bargaining on UPN, and gradually I realized that I was taping the reruning if I happened to be out and getting very obsessed. (With Spike in season six as a big obsession). I have to say, from seeing intervention first, I went into it thinking Buffy and Spike had to be meant to be. If you joined the series after Spike was already a part of the show, have you gone back and watched Season One and all the other episodes in subsequent seasons that do not include Spike? Yes. Absolutely all of them! Bought the DVD so far, taped the other on fx. Though Spike is my favorite character, I do like the rest of the show. Although I think I might like the other characters more the way they were earlier, but I like the show much better with Spike than without.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 29, 2003 17:42:36 GMT -5
Did you watch the series from the beginning? Yes. What led you to start watching; e.g., were you channel surfing and got drawn in, was it word of mouth, something you read? Saw a bit in the TV Guide in their `new shows coming up` article. I'm a big Vampire fan so I was looking forward to it. At what point in the series did you become hooked? Right away. I loved everything about it ‑ the opening theme, the characters. I could hardly wait for the next show. I remember when they introduced Spike in Season 2. I was disappointed at first...I've always liked vampires with black hair (although Angel doesn't do anything for me) but I thought the outfit was great (shallow, I know ;‑). I can't remember when exactly but suddenly it seemed that I was always waiting for him to be in a scene and when he was MIA for Season 3 (except for that one episode which I love) I knew he was my absolute favourite character.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 29, 2003 17:43:18 GMT -5
It was a joke. I hate both statistics and charts. That chart the ecobiologist included in his analysis of how many vamps the pop of Sunnydale would support is incomprehensible to me. I'm still not sure what the answer was. But,since I have a very visual approach to things: Ebulgeology, Spike and verical bar charts just seem to go together.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 29, 2003 17:44:25 GMT -5
My vote goes to the woman who played Riley's wife. They must have hired her for her height because not only couldn't she act, but she was really, really annoying.I hope the bugs got her.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 29, 2003 17:45:01 GMT -5
Well, I'm off to the land of no UPN or internet access. I know I'll have a zillion posts to read when I get back. The withdrawl has already started. I think I need an intervention.
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