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Post by Sue on Oct 3, 2004 14:26:39 GMT -5
Vlad said,
At first I agreed with this. And I even expanded the thought to include: okay, now shouldn't these people be organizing into groups, with leaders, and dividing up to hunt for food, shelter, fresh water (bathing and rinsing clothes out in salt water?), getting out of the sun, salvaging stuff from the plane (okay, they did make a reference to sorting clothes); and doing something with the dead bodies before they get even more decomposed and present a major smell and health problem?
Then, I stopped and thought again. I've been griping about predictability on TV shows. (Turned off Jack and Bobby due to the lame "my parents are out of town let's party" plotline only to have it turn up again on Joan of Arcadia! Come on folks--there are other ways to get in trouble if you are a teenager!) So then why am a griping because LOST doesn't do the predictable?
So, I'll cut them a break and assume that rather than a dropped plot point the writers are simply assuming the viewer is smart enough to fill in the missing blanks. (But, I'm still gonna say that the very best writing out there can be both unpredictable and yet still manage to fill in details so there are not unexpected blanks in the plot. (Buffy did this fantastically in the early seasons, but had occassional lapses later on. Personally I think so far (yeah, only 2 eps) Veronica Mars is doing a spectacular job of both surprising me yet providing all the clues so the set up is clear once you see the pay off.
Vlad also said:
I actually woke up thinking about this this morning. The whole light/dark thing is prominent through-out the episode: Kate has a "light" (positive, helpful) side and clearly a mysterious "dark" (criminal?) side. Charlie is Mr. Friendly Helpful (light) Drug Addict (dark). Boone and Shannon might be said to represent light (Boone) and dark (Shannon) but even as individuals each one has exhibited light and dark sides. Sayid is trying to be a stand-up guy but may also have a dark past. Sawyer (yep), Jin (well, duh), and even characters who so far seem one-dimensional will likely eventually show us their dark sides.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 3, 2004 15:47:19 GMT -5
Hee! I noticed that episode name, too, but didn't know if it was a spoiler to mention it. The reviewing and the comments make all of the shows a lot more interesting to me. Is there anyway to add another 40 hours to the week, tho? where are ya'll getting the ep names? what site please? I need new bookmarks...*grin*
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 3, 2004 15:50:04 GMT -5
You guys have all been so generous with your praise. I think reviewing this program is letting me get even more out of it. I hope you all are, too. I was a little iffy with the first half, but the second half really paid off. I can't wait for episode three... which, hold onto your hats folks, is titled: Tabula Rasa. Hmmmmm, coincidence? Vlad ooh cool! No way its a coincidence! Is it heresy to say that this season is potentially more fun than last season? Maybe only for me - as I was only watching Angel and later Tru ...this year thanks to you and Sue and several others I'm enjoying 4 or 5 shows - and maybe more after tonight.
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Post by Karen on Oct 3, 2004 16:39:25 GMT -5
where are ya'll getting the ep names? what site please? I need new bookmarks...*grin* tvtome.com is where I noticed the episode name, Patti. Just search on "Lost" to find it.
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Post by Linda on Oct 3, 2004 17:40:44 GMT -5
Hi Vlad! Another excellent review! I wanted to tell you that your mention of the prevalence color orange gave me an "Aha!" moment: the lady who was sitting next to Jack in the plane (and who he later resuscitated) was wearing orange, too. She also reappeared in one of those "what the hell is out there?" reaction shots. She may be significant. Especially since I got the feeling that Jack deliberately made himself talk to her in the flashback. Or maybe it's her husband-in-the-bathroom who's important. Is it possible that he survived, since the pilot did? Or were they further back in the plane? Here are a few things that I haven't seen in discussion so far: Regarding Jack: I'm kinda worried about that very first shot of the entire series. They focused on his eye, implying an "eye of the beholder" kinda thing. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I hope this series doesn't turn out to be some sort of Bobby-Ewing-in-the-shower thing seven years down the line. Other speculation about that initial shot: There were no broken branches or foliage that I could see. I know that bamboo is very strong and resilient, but I don't think that Jack landed there. Also, there were no bruises on his back, just a cut. So how did he get there? Did he wander there from somewhere else? Was he doing something? Was he taken/carried there? He told Kate he had blacked out in the crash. Lie? Eetah with everyone about Jin!Gavin. I thought he should be smacked upside the head. And his sea-urchin gambit struck me as a power play, pure and simple. There was no way that there were enough on his tray for everyone. So he was trying to build alliances and maybe instill some subconscious feeling that he was the host and they were the guests on his beach. Interesting that he chose Hurley and Claire, though. Maybe it was their isolation. Boone & Shannon: their family dynamic may be a little more complicated than first appeared. He seemed unsupportive the first moment she showed signs of thinking of someone other than herself (well, yes, it all revolved ultimately revolved around her, but still ... ) Does he *need* her to be the selfish little bitca so that he can be the good one? Oh, and I thought Locke, the orange smiley guy, was the most creepy & intriguing mystery of all the survivors. He seems to be the one whose secret could be mystical, or hyper-intelligent, or philosophical -- or maybe just insane. Did you guys already discuss these things? I have to admit that I came here first and haven't caught up with the main thread yet. So I apologize if I'm repeating the same old stuff. The characters of Lost don't engage me as much as Jossverse characters do, though. I think this will be one of those series that I will watch once or twice, but not over & over (& over & over & ... ) like I would the Jossverse stuff. Oh, and Hawaii pretty. ;D Linda, going off to do some RL stuff
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Post by Nickim on Oct 4, 2004 8:36:51 GMT -5
I can't wait for episode three... which, hold onto your hats folks, is titled: Tabula Rasa. Hmmmmm, coincidence? Vlad You have got to kidding....Maybe someone starts talking about BtVS and they all lose their memories. Edit--I did a search for tabula rasa and found a couple of interesting sites. The Tabula Rasa Institute is a non-profit organization that promotes peace and cooperation between people and nations. The really interesting site was for an multiplayer online fantasy game called Tabula Rasa.
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Post by Sara on Oct 4, 2004 15:05:30 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, I also noticed the polar bear in the comic book on my second viewing--my brother was fighting a cold and went to bed before 8pm that night, so I watched "Lost" while it aired and then again with him the next day. Then I got online all excited to share my insight and saw that Vlad had beat me to it. As to the superheroes, here I can provide some actual knowledge. The guy with the lightning bolt on his shirt and a pie plate on his head is The Flash; the blonde man with the cape is Green Lantern. Knobby head guy I'm not so sure of. But wait, some of you might say--that's not the Flash and Green Lantern I'm familiar with. Very true. What happened was... actually, it's way too complicated and involves boring stuff about DC buying the rights to other comic book characters, attempting two massive retcons, reworking their own timeline, things like that. Think of it this way: in the DC comics universe for a while there were many alternate Earths, among them Earth 1--where Batman, Superman, Flash and Green Lantern existed, and Earth 2, home to an alternate group of superheroes--many of whom evoked or directly paralleled Earth 1 characters. The Flash and Green Lantern depicted in the comic on "Lost" were Earth 2 heroes. One of those massive retcons caused all the realities to merge, meaning all the heroes were finally on the same page (so to speak), but from the style of illustration alone I'd guess the comic in "Lost" predates that--intriguing given that the merging happened in 1986. Nonetheless, the very fact that the comic featured heroes from an alternate reality has intriguing implications for our show, no?
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Post by Karen on Oct 4, 2004 15:23:34 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, I also noticed the polar bear in the comic book on my second viewing--my brother was fighting a cold and went to bed before 8pm that night, so I watched "Lost" while it aired and then again with him the next day. Then I got online all excited to share my insight and saw that Vlad had beat me to it. As to the superheroes, here I can provide some actual knowledge. The guy with the lightning bolt on his shirt and a pie plate on his head is The Flash; the blonde man with the cape is Green Lantern. Knobby head guy I'm not so sure of. But wait, some of you might say--that's not the Flash and Green Lantern I'm familiar with. Very true. What happened was... actually, it's way too complicated and involves boring stuff about DC buying the rights to other comic book characters, attempting two massive retcons, reworking their own timeline, things like that. Think of it this way: in the DC comics universe for a while there were many alternate Earths, among them Earth 1--where Batman, Superman, Flash and Green Lantern existed, and Earth 2, home to an alternate group of superheroes--many of whom evoked or directly paralleled Earth 1 characters. The Flash and Green Lantern depicted in the comic on "Lost" were Earth 2 heroes. One of those massive retcons caused all the realities to merge, meaning all the heroes were finally on the same page (so to speak), but from the style of illustration alone I'd guess the comic in "Lost" predates that--intriguing given that the merging happened in 1986. Nonetheless, the very fact that the comic featured heroes from an alternate reality has intriguing implications for our show, no? Ooo, I like! You say the merge happened in 1986. Well, that's a little over 16 years ago, but maybe the comic book was from the alternate reality? As an aside - Do you remember what the things in "The Sixth Sense" that were colored "red" signified? Because I'm thinking that the orange things in "Lost" might mean something similar. Thanks, Sara. This is going to be fun!
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Post by MaryMuse on Oct 4, 2004 18:32:20 GMT -5
Mary said:I don't think that this show is going to be that sloppy, not over somethign as big as a polar bear! And not in the first episode. The fact that the polar bear IS there is supposed to strike us (and the characters) as incongruous, a part of the 'mystery.' That's what I was hoping. I just thought it was quite odd. But the show tends to have a supernatural feel to it. I just wish they'd reveal more. I don't like not knowing.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 27, 2006 11:48:00 GMT -5
So what was Charlie doing in the bathroom anyway? Snicker. I'm 12. Oh, right, he was actually doing drugs.
How did Charlie manage to get his stash on board the plane?
Nice contrast between Shannon sunning and the plane wreckage.
Showing Skin. Shannon, then Sun with her top button (gasp!), and then Kate.
Wouldn't have been realistic is someone hadn't accused Sayid of being a terrorist.
Sayid's hands folded underneath the blanket the whole time. 'Bating? Come on, how much innuendo can there be on a show like this.
This is so grade school.
Hurley? He's got an accent. My first guess would be that he's not American.
Love Hurley's reaction to Sayid saying he was in the Republican Guard.
What makes you think we are any safer here than in the jungle?
If you see or hear anything... run. Wow, that was profound.
What is Jin trying to prove with his whole, everyone but Sun can have some sea urchin?
Washing self and clothes in seawater, kinda itchy.
Polar bear!
I'll get you another dog. Michael, you got something to learn about parenting.
Shannon's got issues.
What are you two year older than me? Please! Hee.
Did they really have to climb up the steepest part of the mountain?
Two players, two sides. One is light; one is dark.
Walt, do you wanna know a secret? Do you like movies about gladiators? Have you ever been in a Turkish prison? OK, I'm (almost) done know.
Love the Jin offers Claire sea urchin and she feels the baby kick scene.
Everyone knows about the pilot. Sharing of information, not as much later.
Polar Bear!
Love Hurley's method of determining if the guy's conscious.
Fine! I'm a criminal; you're a terrorist. We can all play a part. Getting kind of Breakfast Club?
Hee Polar Bear/Gun scene. "That's not a polar bear" "It's a polar bear." "Spot on." "Does anybody know how you use this?" "I think you just shoot it."
Kate is remarkably well coiffed and make-uped for a prisoner.
Coffee, sure. Snerk.
What is Kate's one favor to ask?
Other survivors from the plane? Hmm...
Sayid's got remarkable math skillz.
Dun dun dun!!!
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