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Post by William the Bloody on Oct 12, 2004 13:37:49 GMT -5
Just a few random thoughts: **what's with Charley and the "late" knuckles? **Three days ago "we all died": Anybody ever see the movie "Jacob's Ladder"? Are they really on an island, or did they really die? In "Jacob's Ladder" the apparent reality turned highly surreal at point of the soldier's death. That would explain the strange whatever in the trees and the out of place polar bear. Probably nothing here, but I thought I'd at least point out the possible parallel. I managed to talk to my friend that collected(collects?) The Flash comic books. The two superhero garbed figures are definitely a Golden Age Flash and The Green Lantern. Now interestingly, as some one had pointed out before, these are characters from an alternate(dual) universe background that was eventually folded into the the universe that the comic now inhabits. I think it would be interesting to point out that The Flash was originally a scientist that gained his powers by an experiment gone wrong and the Green Lantern got his powers via a ring that was given to him by an alien. (Actually a league of aliens that policed the universe) So what we may be looking at here is indeed somethign like a Bermuda triangle...that the characters are alive, but in an "alternate" earth. And, alternatively or in conjunction, that they are on an island where experiments have been conducted (by aliens?) and perhaps the polar bear is a test subject of some type, and whatever is huge and crashing about may also be a test subject. Vlad |
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 12, 2004 14:10:55 GMT -5
I'm glad you're doing these reviews, Vlad. I missed Tabula Rasa because I stayed too late at the office last Wed. Happily, very soon extended office hours for personal computer access will no longer be an issue. Now, I don't suppose you can fill me in on the last two episodes of Joan of Arcadia that I missed for the same reason  ? Printing off your review to read at home. deborah Deborah, I'll fill you in on Joan...but not in this thread cause...wrong thread. So IM me and I'll summarize them for you! |
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 12, 2004 14:17:26 GMT -5
Charlie's writing of LATE on his knuckles interested me, too. He changed FATE to LATE. I suppose he's realizing that they are truly stuck on the island - that the rescue party is late. And the more time that passes, the chances for rescue get slimmer. I haven't seen "Jacob's Ladder" either. Interesting theory that they all might be dead - and it could be that's what we're seeing. It's been mentioned that the dog staying in the jungle and away from the people was odd. There could be a connection there. I tend to think that they all did "die" in a way. Maybe Locke meant that the "miracle" was that they all got a second chance at life, in a way. It seems that they all were at a place in their lives where things were starting to go wrong. They were "Lost", in other words. Charlie with his drug addiction. Kate and her arrest. Something is going on with Jack that we don't know about yet. Sawyer is definitely struggling with something from his past - from the look on his face when he was reading that letter, or whatever it was. Jin and Sun's relationship isn't the best, and neither is Walt's and his father's. The unwed pregnant girl and the 'princess' seem to me to be struggling with issues. Hurley, Sayid and the lifeguard brother don't seem conflicted about anything, but we haven't gotten a real good look at their characters, yet. Only Locke seems to believe that being "Lost" on an island is a good thing. He actually looked joyful to be rained on - like he was washing something away from his soul. It's a cool mystery. I can't wait to see how the group will split. We're already seeing a definite split in basic philosophies. Jack - trying to hold on to civilized ways. Sawyer - feeling that all bets are off - an each man for himself attitude. Kate seems to be stuck between those 2 philosophies. Will she be able to hold it all together, or will she choose a side? oh good thoughts, Karen. Sayid though - his conflict seems both clear and superficial so it's probably not it...but he was a member of the Republican Guard and now he's taken a lot of the responsibility for keeping alive a few dozen people who would have been his enemies before the crash (again, 'maybe' since we haven't seen his backstory yet as you said) I think you're right about them all being at a crossroads in their lives before the crash...and now they are having to both 'stand still' and 'go forward' at the same time. I hope it doesn't turn out they are dead. I don't think that will be the way it goes, but its cool how many possibilites there are... I love this show. |
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 12, 2004 14:21:37 GMT -5
I managed to talk to my friend that collected(collects?) The Flash comic books. The two superhero garbed figures are definitely a Golden Age Flash and The Green Lantern. Now interestingly, as some one had pointed out before, these are characters from an alternate(dual) universe background that was eventually folded into the the universe that the comic now inhabits. I think it would be interesting to point out that The Flash was originally a scientist that gained his powers by an experiment gone wrong and the Green Lantern got his powers via a ring that was given to him by an alien. (Actually a league of aliens that policed the universe) So what we may be looking at here is indeed somethign like a Bermuda triangle...that the characters are alive, but in an "alternate" earth. And, alternatively or in conjunction, that they are on an island where experiments have been conducted (by aliens?) and perhaps the polar bear is a test subject of some type, and whatever is huge and crashing about may also be a test subject. Vlad ha! Did I not say Bermuda Triangle? Yes! And this is very interesting info about the comics Vlad. This has to be relevant - a big ol clue for those looking. Glad you are doing that and sharing the results. Hope you can work this into your next review somehow... |
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Post by Karen on Oct 12, 2004 15:36:32 GMT -5
 Me, too! I love your "both stand still and go forward" comment. Do you think that have learned from any wrong choices that they made in the past and will do things differently now, or are they destined to make the same type of choices and mess things up in their new world? I agree about Sayid - it seem obvious that he's got to have done some things that he's not proud of when he was in the Republican Guard. I'm sure we'll see it in a flashback. I'm not sure how I feel about the flashback format. It is very different from the usual linear television. I don't want them to be dead either. I'd rather that they were saved for a purpose, tho. Something out of the ordinary. Did you watch "The 4400" when it was on? It could be something similar to that.
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Post by MaryMuse on Oct 12, 2004 16:13:19 GMT -5
Charlie's writing of LATE on his knuckles interested me, too. He changed FATE to LATE. I suppose he's realizing that they are truly stuck on the island - that the rescue party is late. And the more time that passes, the chances for rescue get slimmer. I thought he changed FATE to LATE because the baby was late and to imply a connection now between him and the pretty pregnant girl? But maybe that's just me. |
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Post by Karen on Oct 12, 2004 16:17:14 GMT -5
I thought he changed FATE to LATE because the baby was late and to imply a connection now between him and the pretty pregnant girl? But maybe that's just me. That's seems as plausible as my explanation. Did she say she was overdue? I missed that. She looks WAY overdue, but that's probably because she's so tiny. So any bets on what he'll write next time? Hate? Kate? Mate? LOL! |
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Post by leftylady on Oct 12, 2004 17:26:03 GMT -5
more on knuckles: We have Jack whose knuckles are scraped after offscreen wall/rock pounding but we have Charley with the bandages on his knuckles. Besides the messge on the tape, why is he wearing it? Did he engage in some rock pounding himself? Last bullet? I thought that in Pilot part 2, Kate was given the gun, but Sawyer got the ammo clip. Did I miss something? Did he lose the clip somewhere along the way, and I didn't notice? for more information about "Jacob's Ladder" try: www.imdb.com/title/tt0099871/ |
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Post by Sara on Oct 12, 2004 17:35:07 GMT -5
more on knuckles: We have Jack whose knuckles are scraped after offscreen wall/rock pounding but we have Charley with the bandages on his knuckles. Besides the messge on the tape, why is he wearing it? Did he engage in some rock pounding himself? Last bullet? I thought that in Pilot part 2, Kate was given the gun, but Sawyer got the ammo clip. Did I miss something? Did he lose the clip somewhere along the way, and I didn't notice? Sawyer had the clip, Sayid had the gun; when the group was camped for the night Boone took both so he could keep watch. That's when they decided to give the loaded gun to Kate. As to why there was only one bullet: someone somewhere on this board mentioned that the kind of gun Sawyer used only held a dozen or so bullets fully loaded, and he easily shot at least 9 or 10 of those into the bear.  Kate ejected one when she cleared the chamber, and it didn't appear anyone retrieved it. So while it was awfully convenient, it is very possible that there'd only be one left. |
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Post by Sara on Oct 12, 2004 17:37:01 GMT -5
I managed to talk to my friend that collected(collects?) The Flash comic books. The two superhero garbed figures are definitely a Golden Age Flash and The Green Lantern. Now interestingly, as some one had pointed out before, these are characters from an alternate(dual) universe background that was eventually folded into the the universe that the comic now inhabits. I think it would be interesting to point out that The Flash was originally a scientist that gained his powers by an experiment gone wrong and the Green Lantern got his powers via a ring that was given to him by an alien. (Actually a league of aliens that policed the universe) So what we may be looking at here is indeed somethign like a Bermuda triangle...that the characters are alive, but in an "alternate" earth. And, alternatively or in conjunction, that they are on an island where experiments have been conducted (by aliens?) and perhaps the polar bear is a test subject of some type, and whatever is huge and crashing about may also be a test subject. Vlad You... doubted me? *sniff* This hurts, man. It really, really hurts. |
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Post by William the Bloody on Oct 12, 2004 22:13:42 GMT -5
You... doubted me? *sniff* This hurts, man. It really, really hurts. Of course I didn't doubt you! But, like any good reporter one always verifies his sources. My friend collected The Flash specifically growing up and he's the type of guy that holds trivia in his head like a steel trap. But, being as I have met your brother and spent considerable time discussing exactly what flavor of geek HE is, I knew that you were correct *grin* I know that Greg spent hours playing hte superhero videogame demonstration at Gencon and loved it, which led to conversation on the types of RPG's he enjoys, which were mostly superhero types. Vlad, thankful for hte close network of geeks of all flavors he calls friends |
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Post by Nickim on Oct 15, 2004 18:30:24 GMT -5
Great review, Vlad. I really like the format you're using. And thanks for the disc.
I'm wondering if the "marshall" was really a marshall at all. The Australian authorities would have been the ones to arrest Kate and then turn her over to any foreign cops, not some gonzo hot-shot who tried to run her off the road.
I also got the vibe that Kate and the "marshall" may have had a romantic relationship, perhaps after the crime she committed. Or if they might have both been cops--partners, even. He told Jack that Kate would tell him "anything." And, she seemed more concerned about him suffering than one would expect of a stranger.
I wish I had seen this ep before the one this week. I would like to have had the chance to guess Locke's miracle. I never did get a really bad vibe about him. Just thought he didn't know how to talk to people very well, especially kids. If you haven't ever had any or been around children much, it can be awkward trying to think of something to say to them. Looking forward to this week's review. I have some thoughts about Locke's "miracle."
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Post by Lola m on Oct 16, 2004 9:46:15 GMT -5
Great review, Vlad. I really like the format you're using. And thanks for the disc. I'm wondering if the "marshall" was really a marshall at all. The Australian authorities would have been the ones to arrest Kate and then turn her over to any foreign cops, not some gonzo hot-shot who tried to run her off the road. I also got the vibe that Kate and the "marshall" may have had a romantic relationship, perhaps after the crime she committed. Or if they might have both been cops--partners, even. He told Jack that Kate would tell him "anything." And, she seemed more concerned about him suffering than one would expect of a stranger. I wish I had seen this ep before the one this week. I would like to have had the chance to guess Locke's miracle. I never did get a really bad vibe about him. Just thought he didn't know how to talk to people very well, especially kids. If you haven't ever had any or been around children much, it can be awkward trying to think of something to say to them. Looking forward to this week's review. I have some thoughts about Locke's "miracle." Yep! I think it could very well be that the marshall was possibly not a marshall at all or, if he was, that he wasn't capturing Kate for solely professional reasons. I definitely got a "it's personal" vibe off of their interactions. Lola |
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Post by Nickim on Oct 16, 2004 10:00:09 GMT -5
That's seems as plausible as my explanation. Did she say she was overdue? I missed that. She looks WAY overdue, but that's probably because she's so tiny. So any bets on what he'll write next time? Hate? Kate? Mate? LOL! In the pilot she said she was 8 months pregnant, so not overdue. |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 27, 2006 12:39:47 GMT -5
Sorting through the luggage.
Put your gun back in your pants, Sawyer.
Sydney-->LA info
If only we were all wearing license plates
So we lie. OK.
Dinosaur? Good a theory as any.
Jack's got a tendency to tell other people that they're stupid. Smack.
So they didn't come up with shifts to keep watch?
Boone goes on marches. Hee.
Give the gun to Kate. She's trustworthy!
Al-jaziera's a network. Hee.
Kate's Canadian.
Jack's not my problem. grr.
another spooky plane sequence.
You're still back in civilization. Me? I'm in the wild.
Jin= ass. Checks out Sun's ass.
Kiss him, Kate!
I got trust issues.
Everyone deserves a fresh start.
Kate doesn't want the marshall to suffer.
This marshall takes his job *way* too seriously.
A miracle happened here.
Nekkid Sun!
Kate stripped shirt in flashback. Charlie stripped shirt.
What the marshall says about Kate doesn't exactly match what we've seen
Kate's a poor strategizer. Or she's not willing to go all the way criminal.
Favor was for the farmer to get his reward money. Hmm...
Bit of Javert and Jean Valjean. or Ahab and the white whale.
Sawyer did it. And he didn't even kill him!
Dude, there's other, more humane ways to euthanize some one.
People are just too gun-happy.
Ah, Locke called Vincent back.
It doesn't matter who we were, what we did before the crash. 3 days ago we all died. We should all be able to start over.
Is that really the case?
Group coming together as a community
mending fences or ulterior motives?
Locke sure likes to make ominous faces.
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Kate ejected one when she cleared the chamber, and it didn't appear anyone retrieved it. So while it was awfully convenient, it is very possible that there'd only be one left. 
