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Post by Karen on Jan 12, 2005 21:51:57 GMT -5
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Post by Karen on Jan 12, 2005 21:55:09 GMT -5
Dammit, yes she does. As my brother just noted, it'll be interesting to see how Locke responds--and if he'll get the shit beat out of him. What Jack and Sayid did is one thing. This... when he of all people knew of the danger. Especially when it's more than possible he had something to do with the "motivation"... Damn. Locke is serving something greater than the people on the island. Even though he says he does what he does to help them, he seems to be doing things for IT. To help them all survive? acck
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Post by Karen on Jan 12, 2005 21:55:58 GMT -5
Yes, he was mixing it while they were sitting - while he was giving Boone the Michaelangelo story. I think he said it would be needed later... Oh, yes. Now I remember.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 12, 2005 22:00:10 GMT -5
ticks me off SO much when the board won't let me quote!!! So...Spring said.. LOL! Perfect! nice catch Spring! and I didn't capture the last bit I wanted to quote - but no, I don't think Locke untied Boone. I think that part of what we saw was real. Boone's manipulated hallucination, if that's what it was, did motivate him to bend far enough to reach that knife. But how could Locke have been sure Boone's dream would lead him to do that? I mean, to grab the knife? Locke seemed to be saying Boone's dream was all up to Boone - so he'd have to untie him. Though . . . definitely room for multiple scenarios here.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 12, 2005 22:03:35 GMT -5
Yeah but again I go back to the dead pilot. Did they dream up him being ripped apart and spread in the treetops? More than one person saw that and nobody had gunked 'em up with hallucinogenic paste that we know of. Oh no. I don't think that they dreamt the pilot's death up in the LITERAL way that Boone did. Boone was actually dreaming. The polar bear . . . I thought that actually happened, though it was related to Walt reading that story. There seems to be an aspect of the island that can realize (actually, physically realize) a person's hopes and fears. Or are we being led to believe it is all a dream? Kate is lying on some beach somewhere, the only survivor of a plane crash, hallucinating the whole thing in her dying moments? Brain hurts.
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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2005 22:21:24 GMT -5
Anybody else get the shivers when Locke said "Follow me."? And why does the big roaring thing seem to be seperating the men from the women? Or is that just me? Dead, not dead, Shannon. Sister, probably not blood sister? She's the one I'd like to slap. So--I've missed about the last 3 episode discussions. Has there been discussion about Locke being set up as a "savior" figure? The "follow me" really struck that chord with me. (On top of Charlie talking about how Locke "saved" him, then Ruth pointing to religious faith/salvation. Ditto Hurley saying Locke was most like to save them all and somebody said something about having "faith" in him.)
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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2005 22:22:29 GMT -5
So is that Shannon, or a mentally produced simulacrum of Shannon? Oh. I was thinking a MAJOR magnetic anomoly. Monopoles or something. Well, he can check it against his needle compass. Extreme kudos, matthew. It never ocurred to me.
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Post by Karen on Jan 12, 2005 22:27:43 GMT -5
Uh. Shannon. What is . . . she looks dead. Dead? Very Michelangelo moment there. Very Pieta. ("I'm working.") I really love this thought about the Pieta, Spring. And the "I'm working." I really wonder what he meant by that. What does he see as the grand design? And I also need to have some answers. When we got to catch a glimpse of the island's big roaring thing, I got excited - but instead of answers, all we got were more questions.
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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2005 22:27:51 GMT -5
But how could Locke have been sure Boone's dream would lead him to do that? I mean, to grab the knife? Locke seemed to be saying Boone's dream was all up to Boone - so he'd have to untie him. Though . . . definitely room for multiple scenarios here. Are we sure he was actually tied up at all? (Did he still have the rope mark around his neck when he accosted Locke?) Maybe the being tied up was also part of the hallucination (tied up with Shannon).
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Post by havoc on Jan 12, 2005 22:29:51 GMT -5
I"m thinking we'll later find out MORE about what Shannon's daddy did to her, cause I'd hate to think she got this manipulative and sleezy without a better excuse than money. Hangout with a stripper for 3 weeks. LOL.
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Post by havoc on Jan 12, 2005 22:33:41 GMT -5
So--I've missed about the last 3 episode discussions. Has there been discussion about Locke being set up as a "savior" figure? The "follow me" really struck that chord with me. (On top of Charlie talking about how Locke "saved" him, then Ruth pointing to religious faith/salvation. Ditto Hurley saying Locke was most like to save them all and somebody said something about having "faith" in him.) Follow me is just in keeping with the Character parallel to Fiver and Hazel in Watership down. It's the kind of thing I've been fully expecting. Fiver was a seer in Watership and Locke seems to have similar ability.
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Post by Queen E on Jan 12, 2005 22:55:07 GMT -5
Follow me is just in keeping with the Character parallel to Fiver and Hazel in Watership down. It's the kind of thing I've been fully expecting. Fiver was a seer in Watership and Locke seems to have similar ability. I was thinking about the Watership Down parallels as well, but the more time that goes by, the more I see Locke as less like Fiver, and more like General Woundwort. What he did to Boone was the equivalent of a Wide Patrol, and like nothing they'd have done at the Watership Down warren.
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Post by Queen E on Jan 12, 2005 22:55:36 GMT -5
Hangout with a stripper for 3 weeks. LOL. The question is, why would you want to?
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 12, 2005 23:10:01 GMT -5
Are we sure he was actually tied up at all? (Did he still have the rope mark around his neck when he accosted Locke?) Maybe the being tied up was also part of the hallucination (tied up with Shannon). Wasn't he tied up when Locke put the medicine on his head? That part we know was real . . . right?
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 12, 2005 23:13:44 GMT -5
I really love this thought about the Pieta, Spring. And the "I'm working." I really wonder what he meant by that. What does he see as the grand design? And I also need to have some answers. When we got to catch a glimpse of the island's big roaring thing, I got excited - but instead of answers, all we got were more questions. I thought that Pieta-imitation was meant to cast our minds back to Locke's Michelangelo story - he (Michelangelo) was working on the marble, on his plans to shape it into David, for months before he touched it . . . Locke is shaping Boone, without touching him. Or maybe I am tired and crazy, but that is the thought I had.
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