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Post by Nickim on Mar 3, 2005 8:46:21 GMT -5
I loved the ep. Love Hurely and his mom especially. But I do not understand Hurley's name. His name appears to be Hugo Reyes. So where does "Hurley" come in? Did I miss something? Shot putter? Baseball pitcher? His mom said something about "you're gaining weight again" so maybe he was thinner and more athletic. Or, maybe he "hurled" something at someone and that's why he was in the mental ward?
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Post by Nickim on Mar 3, 2005 8:48:10 GMT -5
OK, so Hurley spent some time in a mental hospital. Sawyer reading "A Wrinkle in Time"; yet another book about a power-mad being controlling the actions of the people around him (IT of CENTRAL Central Intelligence). Great catch, Erin. Did they say the numbers transmission was in French?
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Post by Nickim on Mar 3, 2005 8:53:17 GMT -5
Yup. And I'm sure you noticed that his lottery numbers were exactly the same as those written on the piece of paper he was holding. Moreover, the second and third numbers were 8 and 15--815 was both the castaway's flight number and the number of the safety deposit box Kate was so eager to get her hands on. All I can say is: I'm not worthy. ;D
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Post by Nickim on Mar 3, 2005 8:56:46 GMT -5
Yes - Hurely focused totally on the bad. I mean - yes they crashed, but they should all be dead and it is . . . incredible luck, you might say, that they are not dead. I loved how Hurley and the French lady bonded when she actually stopped talking about herself and LISTENED to him, and then agreed with him. He was so terribly in need of some external validation . . . some external agreement that he was not crazy. (And if he wasn't a patient in that hospital, I'll roast my shirt over an open fire and eat it.) I'll bring the BBQ sauce, Spring. I think he would have known Len's last name if he worked in the hospital.
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Post by Nickim on Mar 3, 2005 9:00:47 GMT -5
Yep! I loved that part of what we all wanted (that Hurley turn out to have been just what he seems, a nice, normal, good guy) was true. Of course, that was before he was cursed by the crazy French numbers. I mean, CFN's. But, he was in that mental ward before he got those numbers. I think the backstory showed us that he wasn't what he appears to be. He told Charlie that Charlie didn't know him very well, just like he told Jack when he wanted to do the census. I don't think Hurley was a "nice, normal, good guy" even before he got the numbers. Hurley is apparently working at a fried chicken fast food place--chicken and a name tag on his shirt. His mom picks on him for not being out of the house and gaining weight. He's "put his family through something" bad, so he wants to make it up to them with money. We've had this "quest for material things not so good" message before. Money is nice and necessary, but it doesn't make people happy. It seems to me that the quest for money above everything else is the real curse.
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Post by Nickim on Mar 3, 2005 9:08:44 GMT -5
Until now, Jorge Garcia has been given little "flash" in the role of Hurley...though he's possibly the most beloved character, 'cause Hurley is such a fundamentally decent and funny person. I always wondered what Garcia was capable of if they ever got around to his backstory. Now I see why they waited so long. Hurley might just be THE central figure...no one has more connections with other characters. He unkowingly played a role in employing Mr. Locke AND Jin, and those transmitted numbers appear to be a key to everything. I think it goes without saying that "Lost" will receive a ton of Emmy nominations. The huge difference between this one and other huge hits from the past is the lack of a single lead character. It's truly an ensemble show. That means there really can't be an Outstanding Lead Actor nominee...at least not in my mind. Matthew Fox was the central character in the pilot episode, and nominally the leader of the group, I suppose...but in terms of screen time, there is little real difference. That leads to one heck of a glut in the Supporting Actor Category. You can make very strong cases for Josh Holloway, Terry O'Quinn, Naveen Andrews, Daniel Dae-Kim, Dominic Monaghan and Fox. They've all been brilliant, and deserve the recognition. Here's my pitch for considering Jorge Garcia as Hurley. When he cuts through all the enigmatic pretentions by going off while staring down the barrel of a gun - just as he did when he invented island golf to break the sense of dread and monotony - it was a breath of fresh air. And when French chick (I'm calling her that from now on) took the time to listen and value his opinion, his own tears drew tears from me. That's the first time this show has managed to get that kind of strong reaction. I doubt very much he will actually get a nod (I'd expect O'Quinn, Andrews and Monaghan have the most realistic shot), but Jorge Garcia was every bit as good as the rest tonight. In real life, he's a reasonably successful stand-up comedian, which explains his natural gift for timing...and in this episode, he showcased damn good dramatic chops too. ***************************************** In other news, the character of Vincent is played by Madison. Hey...isn't that a girl's name? Let me research this...YES! According to imdb.com, Madison is a female playing a male. Damn...Evangeline Lilly's chances for a nomination just went down the toilet. I mean, come on...did any of us catch on to Vincent in drag? Jaye Davidson only wishes he'd been this convincing in "The Crying Game." That's one talented bitch. I agree with you on Jorge Garcia as deserving of the supporting actor nomination, but I'd go with Terry Quinn for lead actor. Locke is a much more key figure than Jack, at least at this point. Edit--It's about time the female dogs get there turn, since male dogs always played Lassie. I think it was because the male dogs had a prettier, thicker coat.
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Post by Nickim on Mar 3, 2005 9:15:05 GMT -5
Awwwww, crap... I jsut solved it... well a lot of it... I think. Damn... Okay... as the new show on CBS likes to say: It's all about the numbers. Well, in this case, they were the big final clue that puts alot into place for me. Okay, bear with me: First, the numbers: 4 8 15 16 23 42 Now, the thing that set me off was actually a combination of Sara's noticing that 815 is a combination in the long set (The number of Kate's safty deposit box and the number of the flight they were all on) and then Karen's mention of '42 and hte Navy connotation (However, the widow said they were serving 16 years ago and theres no way the looney in the hospital was in WWII.) Then as I glanced back over the the other stuff I saw "Wrinkle in Time." Then I thought back to Lola's summation/list stuff I read this morning. In it she mentioned something about Locke.. how his compass doesn't point to true north. Now I won't say why this clicked (maybe it's lack of decent sleep recently *L*) but I started thinking... what was it that happened in 1942?... oh crap! And hit the search engine, typing in my suspicion. Here is part of the very first article I turned up (pay attention to the phrases I bolded.): From the Paranormal News (paranormalnews.com) - The Philadelphia Experiment: New Evidence Surfaces
Written By: Bill Knell Posted: 5/1/2004
The Philadelphia Experiment is a story that refuses to die. For over sixty years the tale of U.S. Government experiments with invisibility, time travel and mind control have been the crux of what started at the Philadelphia Navy Shipment as a project to demagnetize warships in the early 1940s. Despite denials by the Navy, in-depth investigations by debunkers and a world full of scientists who say it wasn’t possible in the 1940’s and still isn’t today, a steady flow of new witnesses and evidence seems to support the story. Then we have the next item I looked at: From the Historical Navy Center (www.history.navy.mil) DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY -- NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER 805 KIDDER BREESE SE -- WASHINGTON NAVY YARD WASHINGTON DC 20374-5060 The "Philadelphia Experiment"
Allegedly, in the fall of 1943 a U.S. Navy destroyer was made invisible and teleported from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, to Norfolk, Virginia, in an incident known as the Philadelphia Experiment. Records in the Operational Archives Branch of the Naval Historical Center have been repeatedly searched, but no documents have been located which confirm the event, or any interest by the Navy in attempting such an achievement.From another source, this is what is claimed happened: "" The result of the experiment was COMPLETE INVISIBILITY of a ship destroyer type, AND ALL its crew, while at sea (Oct. 1943). The field was effective in an oblate spheroidal shape, extending 100 yards...OUT from each beam of the ship. Any person within that sphere became vague in form...Somehow, also, the experimental ship disappeared from its Philadelphia dock and only a very few minutes later appeared at its other dock in the Norfolk, Newport News, Portsmouth area...the ship then AGAIN disappeared and went BACK to its Philadelphia dock. ""
The above is an extract from a letter written on January 13, 1965, by Carlos Miguel Allende (also known as Carl Allen), a former seaman, to Dr. Morris Jessup, an astronomer and author of "The Case For The UFO" (1995). The experiment, claimed Allende, was an application, by a scientist called Dr. Franklin Reno, of Eintein's unified field theory (a theory that attempts to connect the fundamental forces of nature). Reno, Allende claimed, had successfully connected the field of gravity with that of electromagnetism.******* OKay boys and girls.. what do you think? A big Hmmmm? Remember that the CFL said tonight that they heard the signal and that's what led them to the island. So, someone was already there. Perhaps since WW2? Maybe the Navy doing experiments prior to their tests in Philly less than a year later?? In the Philidelphia legend, some people were killed, somewere maimed and some simply dissappeared, never to be heard from again. The fact that they were working with "demagnetizing" ships (in an effort to create radar and sonar defeating stealth fields) would explain perhaps why the magnetic field on the island is wonky... The hatch that Locke and Boone found... maybe its the WW2 bunker where the tests were/are being performed? Maybe Ethan is not CFL's son after all, but a time traveled Navy guy? Okay, thats the big part of my theory... the others have to do ith little tie-ins like the "Movies/Books" quotes I pasted in above: Short Round - Came from Indiana Jones and hte Temple of Doom... part of a trilogy about a reknowned acheologist that deals with the occult and paranormal and fights a lot of Nazi's at he beginning of WW2. Captain America - Had his origins as a superhero that fought against the Nazis in WW2 Stay Puft - The fat marshmellow man from Ghostbusters, where scientists where scientist attempt to manipulate the paranormal world with their technology Wrinkle in Time - Well sorta duh! If what happened with the Philadelphia experiment happened then I think the term "wrinkle in time" rather applies Alright guys... think on this and let me know anything else you caught. Especially anythign to do with the numbers... I think these are a HUGE clue and theres more info in there to be gleaned. Vlad I don't know if you're right, but I like your theory.
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Post by Nickim on Mar 3, 2005 9:21:50 GMT -5
All caught up now, and I think I'll enjoy watching this episode much more now that I've read everyone's comments. Linda--I love your summations.
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Post by Becky H on Mar 3, 2005 10:40:54 GMT -5
Great catch, Erin. Did they say the numbers transmission was in French? I thought Danielle said she changed the numbers transmission to her French distress call? Did anyone tape it who can check that? You all covered a lot of ground but I have a few little pieces to add: Hurley tells the truth (as he sees it) about the numbers to Danielle and she hears and affirms it. Charlie, who should know Hurley by now, doesn't recognize the truth when Hurley tells it. Hmmm. None of them believed Hurley when he said he was "spry" enough to dodge the booby trap. Hmmm. I loved how Shannon was neither whiny nor clinging nor insisting that she come along when Sayid set off to follow Hurley. Did anyone else wonder what exactly was in that little pot o'glue Locke created? As in, was he going to give Claire a whiff to help her have a "vision" and get her memories back?
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Mar 3, 2005 10:55:04 GMT -5
Talky Meat! You all Talky Meat!
I'm not sure if I liked this episode or not. It seems like Lost has caught Chris Carter-itis - too many ideas, too many mysteries.
Speaking of which, there was an episode of The X-Files called "Tooms", about a serial killer who escaped from a sanitarium. No "Toomey", though.
The The X-Files episode about luck is "The Goldberg Variation". Henry Weems was in a plane crash in 1989, and has had good luck ever since. Every time something good happens to him, however, someone else around him has bad luck. Interesting.
42 is the answer to life, the universe and everything, according to Douglas Adams.
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Post by leftylady on Mar 3, 2005 13:03:49 GMT -5
Have only just started reading the thread at lunch but wanted to put down my thoughts in passing:
Spring: "'believing it' is what made it so" For Walt "seeing it" makes it so. So, I guess "seeing is believing"?
Box company, "opening the box": bank deposit box, CFL's music box: maybe we need to "think outside the box" to figure out what's really going on here.
Hurley in mental hospital: I don't think we know for sure his connection. I could see him working there as an orderly and buddying up to the patients.
"Sam Toomey": what was the name of the kid that played JM's son on "The Mountain"
Sam & Lenny in Navy (16+ years ago per widow?): I don't think 42 would be 1942. That would be 60+ years if I heard wrong about the 16 years. But Lenny did not look old enough to be in the Navy then.
radio tower predating the CFL: transmission with numbers before CFL changed to the French message (which per Sayid was 16 years old)ater death of her companions. Could radio tower have to do with "Adam & Eve" from the cave? perhaps earlier? but what technology was there that keeps going for more than 16 years (we've asked that before but keeps getting sidetracked)? what is the undersea cable is this the power source? who or what is the power provider? Now that we see that the number on the hatch matches the mystical lucky/unlucky numbers, maybe we will get some answers to this part of the mystery.
Maybe more later when I catch up to the rest of you.
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Post by Pixi on Mar 3, 2005 13:06:03 GMT -5
Talky Meat! You all Talky Meat! I'm not sure if I liked this episode or not. It seems like Lost has caught Chris Carter-itis - too many ideas, too many mysteries. Speaking of which, there was an episode of The X-Files called "Tooms", about a serial killer who escaped from a sanitarium. No "Toomey", though. The The X-Files episode about luck is "The Goldberg Variation". Henry Weems was in a plane crash in 1989, and has had good luck ever since. Every time something good happens to him, however, someone else around him has bad luck. Interesting. 42 is the answer to life, the universe and everything, according to Douglas Adams. That's why I was sure it had an x-phile connection. I knew I had heard the word before. Was he the liver eater? (I know I'm being lazy and I could go all internety and search for it but for some reason that's what springs to mind) The killer who could shrink his body down and enter through little ducts and things?
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Post by Lola m on Mar 3, 2005 13:32:10 GMT -5
All I can say is: I'm not worthy. ;D Yes, Sara is scaring me. And Linda. And Erin. And Vlad. And Bluesman. And . . . .. We got a lot of scary smart folks here! ;D
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Post by Lola m on Mar 3, 2005 13:34:45 GMT -5
I thought Danielle said she changed the numbers transmission to her French distress call? Did anyone tape it who can check that? You all covered a lot of ground but I have a few little pieces to add: Hurley tells the truth (as he sees it) about the numbers to Danielle and she hears and affirms it. Charlie, who should know Hurley by now, doesn't recognize the truth when Hurley tells it. Hmmm. None of them believed Hurley when he said he was "spry" enough to dodge the booby trap. Hmmm. I loved how Shannon was neither whiny nor clinging nor insisting that she come along when Sayid set off to follow Hurley. Did anyone else wonder what exactly was in that little pot o'glue Locke created? As in, was he going to give Claire a whiff to help her have a "vision" and get her memories back? I was really wondering about what Locke might do as he was working with Claire! And doing something to try to make her memories come back wouldn't have surprised me.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 3, 2005 13:36:57 GMT -5
Have only just started reading the thread at lunch but wanted to put down my thoughts in passing: Spring: "'believing it' is what made it so" For Walt "seeing it" makes it so. So, I guess "seeing is believing"? Box company, "opening the box": bank deposit box, CFL's music box: maybe we need to "think outside the box" to figure out what's really going on here. Hurley in mental hospital: I don't think we know for sure his connection. I could see him working there as an orderly and buddying up to the patients. "Sam Toomey": what was the name of the kid that played JM's son on "The Mountain" Sam & Lenny in Navy (16+ years ago per widow?): I don't think 42 would be 1942. That would be 60+ years if I heard wrong about the 16 years. But Lenny did not look old enough to be in the Navy then. radio tower predating the CFL: transmission with numbers before CFL changed to the French message (which per Sayid was 16 years old)ater death of her companions. Could radio tower have to do with "Adam & Eve" from the cave? perhaps earlier? but what technology was there that keeps going for more than 16 years (we've asked that before but keeps getting sidetracked)? what is the undersea cable is this the power source? who or what is the power provider? Now that we see that the number on the hatch matches the mystical lucky/unlucky numbers, maybe we will get some answers to this part of the mystery. Maybe more later when I catch up to the rest of you. Like your box thoughts.
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