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Post by Rachael on Oct 13, 2005 14:43:49 GMT -5
Exactly. I had nothing but pissed-off-ness for the entire lottery-avoidance thing. Yup, your life will change. But...your life kinda sucks on many levels. Why wouldn't you want it to change? Because you're afraid, is why. Which, while I understand it, isn't a way to live life forever. I mean, it's not like he could have KNOWN the money would be cursed. And if you really don't want it, what's wrong with getting the money and then giving most or all away to your favorite charities? I just wanted to shake him and say, "DUDE! Millions of dollars! I mean, really. DUDE!" It might be tough to deal with. I've heard that some winners of the truly huge jackpots are unhappy with the changes that come, not the least of which is that everyone has a sad story to tell concerning why they need a piece of what the winner has. I've got a standing deal with the PtB. I buy one ticket and one number at a time. If I win, fine, if not, that's to be expected. But 50% of all winnings go to charity. So far, so good. Sure, totally. (The "tough to deal with" part.) But my issue with Hurley is his buying trouble before he has it. "Paying for his worries in advance," as Shan always tells me NOT to do. It's like the episode of Gilmore Girls where Sookie finds out she's pregnant, and Jackson (her husband) jumps right to how awful babyproofing the house is gonna be, and skips over all the happy celebratory parts.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 13, 2005 15:20:07 GMT -5
That is strange. So - we are to assume that for awhile, before the plane crash and back in the US, Walt was a missing child? I think not. Because it's a dream sequence. I think it's more likely referring (us, the viewers) back to the fact that Walt IS currently missing. He's been kidnapped. What's actually interesting is that it's Hurley's dream, and Hurley doesn't (consciously) know that Walt is missing. So either it's just a poke at the audience, or else somehow Hurley's subconscious knows that Walt's gone missing. A dream? There was a dream sequence? I was in and out of the living room a bit with taking the dogs out during the ep - I musta missed this. "The chicken" made me think of when Hurley was caught on camera eating chicken, and I thought it was part of that scene. So . . . well, I am clueless here.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 13, 2005 15:23:38 GMT -5
Exactly. I had nothing but pissed-off-ness for the entire lottery-avoidance thing. Yup, your life will change. But...your life kinda sucks on many levels. Why wouldn't you want it to change? Because you're afraid, is why. Which, while I understand it, isn't a way to live life forever. I mean, it's not like he could have KNOWN the money would be cursed. And if you really don't want it, what's wrong with getting the money and then giving most or all away to your favorite charities? I just wanted to shake him and say, "DUDE! Millions of dollars! I mean, really. DUDE!" It might be tough to deal with. I've heard that some winners of the truly huge jackpots are unhappy with the changes that come, not the least of which is that everyone has a sad story to tell concerning why they need a piece of what the winner has. I've got a standing deal with the PtB. I buy one ticket and one number at a time. If I win, fine, if not, that's to be expected. But 50% of all winnings go to charity. So far, so good. It's always a matter of knowing how to deal with - facing up to and dealing with - whatever life throws at you: good luck, bad luck, bad luck masquerading as good luck, or vice versa. And it's about making your own luck. Hurley is very young; he was dealing with a challenge that he wasn't prepared for - if he had stayed in the US he would have continued making some mistakes and learning and growing from the whole experience - which, as sudden major change, certainly qualifies as something of a trauma.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 13, 2005 16:19:48 GMT -5
I think not. Because it's a dream sequence. I think it's more likely referring (us, the viewers) back to the fact that Walt IS currently missing. He's been kidnapped. What's actually interesting is that it's Hurley's dream, and Hurley doesn't (consciously) know that Walt is missing. So either it's just a poke at the audience, or else somehow Hurley's subconscious knows that Walt's gone missing. Or it's a type of "sending," for lack of a better word, similar to the vision of Walt that Shannon experienced out in the woods. Ooooh, I like all these possibilities!
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Post by RAKSHA on Oct 13, 2005 17:17:56 GMT -5
I think not. Because it's a dream sequence. I think it's more likely referring (us, the viewers) back to the fact that Walt IS currently missing. He's been kidnapped. What's actually interesting is that it's Hurley's dream, and Hurley doesn't (consciously) know that Walt is missing. So either it's just a poke at the audience, or else somehow Hurley's subconscious knows that Walt's gone missing. Or it's a type of "sending," for lack of a better word, similar to the vision of Walt that Shannon experienced out in the woods. I think it's a sending, deliberate or otherwise, from Walt. So far, the only two people who have received them are Shannon, to whom Walt gave, entrusted his most precious posession, Vincent; and Hurley, who gave Walt the comic book at the airport if I remember right. Of course, there could be sendings to Mike, but Mike's mind is so fixated on Walt that it's probably unneccessary.
I'm convinced that when we next see Walt, he'll be almost as tall as Mike, the young actor having had a huge growth spurt over the summer; and the LOST Powers That Be are trying to hide it from the public...
GAIL
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Post by leftylady on Oct 13, 2005 17:34:20 GMT -5
Haven't caught up with more than half the discussion but wanted to add some thoughts:
Hurley episodes are among the best! Rose is right, he's the one person everybody loves.
After reading elsewhere a speculation that Ana Alicia could be a cop or a back up marshal after Kate, I'm wondering if Ana Alicia is a bounty hunter. Would explain her hit first and ask questions later behavior. No “Miranda” by-the-book action for her. Alternatively, if the missing members of the tail gate 23 got eaten, that gives a whole new meaning to getting “voted off the island”. You'd have to be tough to survive in that environment, but the character as we met her in the Season 1 finale did not seem this tough.
Also want to point out that the Darkworlds review mentions a Dharma logo in the tail passengers' bunker except with something other than a swan. Anyone else catch that? The Dharma tape mentions station no. 3 (of 6?) so there may still be other ones out there on the island. Why so many? And is anyone in control of the unaccounted for stations? Could the "Others" in the finale’s boat be the regular supply ship / monitors for the Dharma project?
Oh, and about the concrete, I couldn't help but think of the government order to concrete up the failed Sunnydale Initiative bunker. Does that mean the island is in another Hellmouth at the opposite side of the world? Seriously, though, if Sayid equates concreting up with Chernobyl type accidents, they should be VERY careful exploring the bunker. With not even a mocked up radiation exposure gauge, they could stumble into some deadly contamination before they were aware. Might explain the sickness overcoming the Crazy French Lady's party though.
Love the Walt-on-a-milk-carton. That's almost as surreal as Jin speaking perfect English out of nowhere.
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Post by leftylady on Oct 13, 2005 17:36:42 GMT -5
Well, now that they have the equipment . . . . Jack needs a shower. Sayid needs a shower. I'm just sayin'! I agree! And we need to see those shower scenes, to look for clues! I volunteer to supervise for cleanliness!! And look for clues of course.......
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Post by leftylady on Oct 13, 2005 17:39:06 GMT -5
I know!!!!! How freaky must that be for Daniel DK, though? I mean, wouldn't you just want to run the moment you entered the bunker and saw him?! My son went crazy over seeing Holland & Gavin together again. I suspect the Senior Partners are on the other side of all that concrete. If Laila or Lindsey shows up we'll know for sure!!
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Post by Jan on Oct 14, 2005 10:27:27 GMT -5
Rob! Dude! What a great review! "Rose has balanced blind faith and common-sense logic, quietly going about her business while the others (the lower case version) struggle and grope for any foothold they can find. Her philosophy is basic: quietly contribute as best you can, while being adaptable if necessary. Most importantly, be honest with everyone…especially yourself." Rose is my hero on this show, followed by Hurley. She's written as the person I aspire to be--though I'd bring considerably more silliness to the equasion. Could that be why I have yet achieved Rosevana? And you're so right about Hugo's gifts--people see them and respond by liking and trusting him, but probably don't see them as gifts any more than he does. But I intend to be hopeful about his chances for recognition of his talent--and except for O'Quinn, I think he's the most talented member of the cast. Or maybe he just has the best character. I dunno. There's a reason you're the one writing the review and I'm the one reading it.
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Post by Rob on Oct 14, 2005 10:53:13 GMT -5
Rob! Dude! What a great review! "Rose has balanced blind faith and common-sense logic, quietly going about her business while the others (the lower case version) struggle and grope for any foothold they can find. Her philosophy is basic: quietly contribute as best you can, while being adaptable if necessary. Most importantly, be honest with everyone…especially yourself." Rose is my hero on this show, followed by Hurley. She's written as the person I aspire to be--though I'd bring considerably more silliness to the equasion. Could that be why I have yet achieved Rosevana? And you're so right about Hugo's gifts--people see them and respond by liking and trusting him, but probably don't see them as gifts any more than he does. But I intend to be hopeful about his chances for recognition of his talent--and except for O'Quinn, I think he's the most talented member of the cast. Or maybe he just has the best character. I dunno. There's a reason you're the one writing the review and I'm the one reading it. That's very nice of you to say. Thank you. It is very interesting to me that Rose is among this group. If part of the Island's purpose is to create some sort of great society, what role is Rose to play? Also, am I the only one who felt more than a little uncomfortable when the narrator of that orientation film listed "utopian social engineering" among Dharma's experiments? History shows us the dangers of such an exercise; there were simply other euphemisms attached. "Final Solution," for example, springs to mind.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 14, 2005 12:05:00 GMT -5
First of all Bwahhahahahah!!!!! The opening hook was hysterical. I was guiltily trying not to laugh out loud as I started to read it.
I thought you made a lot of good points, especially in the this is a step back and take a break from the mysteries idea. I've read complaints over at TWOp that they didn't like the show, we didn't learn anything, just a marking of time. And that's probably true. But Hurley is the perfect guy to step back from the information overload - seemingly.
Although he does seem to be the one that the numbers are most focused on.
But we really didn't even learn that much about Hurley through the flashbacks. But at least they were entertaining and watchable. I had to force myself to watch Michael's flashbacks.
I liked your contrast/comparison of Locke and Hurley. I enjoyed the Ana-Lucia discussion and I am honestly expecting that at some point one of these many explosive combinations are going to have sex.
Actually I'm kind of surprised no one has had sex yet. I mean it's hot, it's an island, not really much to do - logically there would be sex.
I do call cop out - cheat -on the producers for doing a promo where Jin speaks English and then have it be a dream. Didn't they watch Dallas?
Thanks though Rob for not endlessly dissecting the numbers.
I liked your description of Rose.
I didn't copy any of the things I liked as I was reading so I can't quote but may I just say that was one of the most entertaining reviews I have ever read. Very well done.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 14, 2005 12:09:19 GMT -5
Rob, you wonderful, fantastic motherclucker you!
I loved your review! I laughed, I cried (really.) So many funnies and great heartwrenching observations.
I loved the parts about how the numbers and the insignias and such just don’t mean much and can overwhelm, and aren’t what it is all about for you. You betcha. Honestly, that part means less-than-nothing to me. It’s all about the people and how they grow and interact, as you say.
The portrait of Hurley is great, as are your observations about Locke and Rose (“balanced blind faith and common sense logic” – perfect!) I also agree that Hurley’s decision about handing out the food is definitely defendable as a good decision.
So you think Jack & Kate will be getting jealous if Ana & Sawyer hook up? Yes, Kate has a Sawyer-thing. But do you think both Jack and Kate are after Sawyer’s bod, or you think Jack has a bit of a thing for Ana, from their previous encounter?
Wonderful review, Rob. Thanks for doing it.
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Post by Sara on Oct 14, 2005 12:24:29 GMT -5
Excellent job on the review Rob--great observations, intriguing ideas, and laughs aplenty. I really enjoyed it. I also thought you were dead on regarding your take on Hurley's character and the dynamics at work throughout the episode
Awesome review, dude.
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Post by Rob on Oct 14, 2005 12:43:23 GMT -5
First of all Bwahhahahahah!!!!! The opening hook was hysterical. I was guiltily trying not to laugh out loud as I started to read it. I didn't copy any of the things I liked as I was reading so I can't quote but may I just say that was one of the most entertaining reviews I have ever read. Very well done. Thank you. That's very nice of you to say. I think it helps a lot to take a light approach to these reviews going in. There's no reason I can't have any fun while I'm trying to dissect this stuff. I must respectfully disagree, however, with those at the TWoP-icana who say we didn't learn anything. Sayid said a ton of important stuff; it just got buried by Hurley's story/Kate's towel appearance. It's all in the bullet points.
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Post by Rob on Oct 14, 2005 12:51:05 GMT -5
Rob, you wonderful, fantastic motherclucker you! I loved your review! I laughed, I cried (really.) So many funnies and great heartwrenching observations. I loved the parts about how the numbers and the insignias and such just don’t mean much and can overwhelm, and aren’t what it is all about for you. You betcha. Honestly, that part means less-than-nothing to me. It’s all about the people and how they grow and interact, as you say. The portrait of Hurley is great, as are your observations about Locke and Rose (“balanced blind faith and common sense logic” – perfect!) I also agree that Hurley’s decision about handing out the food is definitely defendable as a good decision. So you think Jack & Kate will be getting jealous if Ana & Sawyer hook up? Yes, Kate has a Sawyer-thing. But do you think both Jack and Kate are after Sawyer’s bod, or you think Jack has a bit of a thing for Ana, from their previous encounter? Wonderful review, Rob. Thanks for doing it. Didn't mean to make you cry. Sorry about that. As for the Sawyer/Ana Lucia pairing, I'll let you decide who, specifically, is jealous of whom. Some mysteries should remain alive...
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