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Post by Rob on Oct 14, 2005 12:55:05 GMT -5
Excellent job on the review Rob--great observations, intriguing ideas, and laughs aplenty. I really enjoyed it. I also thought you were dead on regarding your take on Hurley's character and the dynamics at work throughout the episode Awesome review, dude. Thank you, baby. It's an honor hearing that from one of the best reviewers in the business. I only slap these things together every once in a while; your prolificity leaves me staggered.
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Post by Pixi on Oct 14, 2005 13:10:38 GMT -5
First of all Bwahhahahahah!!!!! The opening hook was hysterical. I was guiltily trying not to laugh out loud as I started to read it. I didn't copy any of the things I liked as I was reading so I can't quote but may I just say that was one of the most entertaining reviews I have ever read. Very well done. Thank you. That's very nice of you to say. I think it helps a lot to take a light approach to these reviews going in. There's no reason I can't have any fun while I'm trying to dissect this stuff. I must respectfully disagree, however, with those at the TWoP-icana who say we didn't learn anything. Sayid said a ton of important stuff; it just got buried by Hurley's story/Kate's towel appearance. It's all in the bullet points. You do understand I hope that I wasn't agreeing with them - honestly I could only get through two pages of negative type comments before I had enough - I was just saying that was what was being posted. I always learn alot.
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Post by Karen on Oct 14, 2005 13:54:17 GMT -5
Dude! Rob - You sly dog. Leaving us with a couple of mysterious and insightful questions (45 days!) - and a shower scene question, nonetheless. And you say you don't give a rat's ss for the funny little clues. Ha! I say! First you tell us that there must be plenty of soap and shampoo left if Desmond's appearance is any clue, and then you end with the question about what Kate smelled when she took a shower (btw - hell is said to smell like sulfur). Seriously, I agree with your: While I love all the little mysteries, it's the characters and how they react to what's thrown at them that intrigues me the most. I too am in love with Hurley. He was the reason we had the Cutie Awards - to give him his due. Maybe an internet campaign would get him that well-deserved Emmy - although why he'd need anything more than a Cutie, I'll never know. A couple of things that you said made me think. You said that Hurley was interested in 'keeping the status quo'. Why would someone like that play the lottery? (Chuckled at your 'more likely to die in a plane crash'.) Also, Locke's admonishment to Hurley that he 'can't quit' the job, made me wonder why Hurley didn't come back with Locke's own words of "don't tell me what I can't do". I understand that Locke was trying to help Hurley, but geez - seemed kind of hypocritical to me. Rose does rock! Loved your: Yeah - secrets suck. Just ask Hurley's friend. He quit his job and still Hurley didn't clue him in. Very entertaining and insightful review, Rob. Thank you!
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Post by Rob on Oct 14, 2005 13:58:15 GMT -5
Thank you. That's very nice of you to say. I think it helps a lot to take a light approach to these reviews going in. There's no reason I can't have any fun while I'm trying to dissect this stuff. I must respectfully disagree, however, with those at the TWoP-icana who say we didn't learn anything. Sayid said a ton of important stuff; it just got buried by Hurley's story/Kate's towel appearance. It's all in the bullet points. You do understand I hope that I wasn't agreeing with them - honestly I could only get through two pages of negative type comments before I had enough - I was just saying that was what was being posted. I always learn alot. Oh, I understand totally. You were just the messenger, not the purveyor.
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Post by Rob on Oct 14, 2005 14:28:39 GMT -5
Dude! Rob - You sly dog. Leaving us with a couple of mysterious and insightful questions (45 days!) - and a shower scene question, nonetheless. And you say you don't give a rat's ss for the funny little clues. Ha! I say! First you tell us that there must be plenty of soap and shampoo left if Desmond's appearance is any clue, and then you end with the question about what Kate smelled when she took a shower (btw - hell is said to smell like sulfur). Very entertaining and insightful review, Rob. Thank you! Thanks. I'm thrilled to have this much response. As to the sulfur...I think some genuine answers can be drilled up from Sayid's speculations regarding what resides behind that huge blanket of concrete. I don't know; I just felt like venting a little, I suppose. Hey, I did a bunch of research on this stuff...why should I have made things easy?
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 14, 2005 16:00:22 GMT -5
Excellent job on the review Rob--great observations, intriguing ideas, and laughs aplenty. I really enjoyed it. I also thought you were dead on regarding your take on Hurley's character and the dynamics at work throughout the episode Awesome review, dude. Thank you, baby. It's an honor hearing that from one of the best reviewers in the business. I only slap these things together every once in a while; your prolificity leaves me staggered. What she said. That was an entertaining, witty and insightful review, Mr. Sorenson. You are a natural writer, Norse God, and don't you forget it.
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Post by Squeemonster on Oct 14, 2005 23:24:32 GMT -5
Rob, seriously dude, this was one of the best and most fun reviews I've read in a long, long time. I already loved the character of Hurley, but you've made me love him even more. And I completely agree with your description of Rose--we need more Rose! Now I'm all excited about rewatching this ep as soon as possible. Thank you, sweetie!
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Post by Lola m on Oct 15, 2005 12:28:15 GMT -5
Rob!!! Fab fab fab review!!
Loved the very funny beginning - goofing on the obsessive search for hidden meanings and so on. ;D You also did a wonderful job of laying out exactly how the show can be so interestingly personal and mind-bendingly twisty at the same time.
But most of all, I loved your description of Hurley and his role in the group. Our "man of the people" - the adult table guy with no other agenda - universally liked and trusted but with a more complicated background than the others realize. Your comment that his mask simply works much better when it comes to social interaction was an excellent insight into this character.
In particular, this paragraph:
is one of the best statements about the show that I've seen.
I really like your clear, straightforward discussion of: the comparison of Locke and Hurley; Hurley's relationship with Rose; the food distribution issue (totally agree with you there, by the way). Also, your "slips" into plotty possibilities were nicely done.
Bravo, Mr. Sorenson! All hail the Norse God of the Lifesaving Penis!
Dude! Suckshaft! **snickers from the 12 year old corner**
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Post by Sara on Oct 17, 2005 13:27:41 GMT -5
Ever since I watched this episode, there's been a particular thought/observation that's been rattling around in my head--the subtle comparison that goes on all through the ep between Locke and Rose. Locke, from the beginning, has been our "man of faith," the flip side of Jack's "man of science." The beneficiary of a seeming miracle, Locke has gone about his business on the island with the quiet certainty of a man who believes he has the answers, who thinks he's been shown a glimpse of the master plan and his place within the scheme. He's acted, when he thought it was necessary, as guide and/or catalyst whose purpose is to set people on paths he believes will lead them to their own spiritual awakening, becoming a de facto shaman to those who put their trust in him. If you were to ask him, I think Locke would categorize himself as a believer, especially in comparison to Jack's skepticism. And we all pretty much signed on to this interpretation of his character as well--at least I know I did. Yet in this episode, we once again see Rose. And as I watched her I realized something--that while Locke may consider himself a man of vision, a man of belief, Rose is perhaps the truer embodiment of what it means to have faith. After all, Rose wasn't miraculously healed of some injury, nor did she have a moment of private communication with... well, whatever it was that Locke saw. She hasn't had a light suddenly start shining through the dark at the very moment she asked for a sign. Hell, she hasn't even asked for--or needed--a sign. And that's the important distinction here. Rose believes, with absolute certainty, that her husband is okay even though she's never been given anything even remotely resembling physical evidence of that fact. She believes without proof, without validation, and without wavering. To be, that's what faith is about--believing in something even when there isn't any reason to. Perhaps especially when there isn't a reason to. Locke believes there's something larger at work on the island because he's living proof of it. He's seen it in action. And even then he still has moments of doubt, when he questions his own certainty. So as much as he might scoff at Jack's unwillingness to take things on faith, one could argue that Locke's own brand of belief is just as reliant on empirical evidence as Jack's is. Rose, on the other hand, has never been given even the slightest reason to think her husband survived the crash--and yet she is utterly certain that he did. Like I said, to me that's the very embodiment of the concept of faith. Not sure where I was going with this, if indeed I was going anywhere at all. Apparently my train of thought left the station without me. Just interesting stuff to ponder, I guess.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 17, 2005 14:36:55 GMT -5
Ever since I watched this episode, there's been a particular thought/observation that's been rattling around in my head--the subtle comparison that goes on all through the ep between Locke and Rose. Locke, from the beginning, has been our "man of faith," the flip side of Jack's "man of science." The beneficiary of a seeming miracle, Locke has gone about his business on the island with the quiet certainty of a man who believes he has the answers, who thinks he's been shown a glimpse of the master plan and his place within the scheme. He's acted, when he thought it was necessary, as guide and/or catalyst whose purpose is to set people on paths he believes will lead them to their own spiritual awakening, becoming a de facto shaman to those who put their trust in him. If you were to ask him, I think Locke would categorize himself as a believer, especially in comparison to Jack's skepticism. And we all pretty much signed on to this interpretation of his character as well--at least I know I did. Yet in this episode, we once again see Rose. And as I watched her I realized something--that while Locke may consider himself a man of vision, a man of belief, Rose is perhaps the truer embodiment of what it means to have faith. After all, Rose wasn't miraculously healed of some injury, nor did she have a moment of private communication with... well, whatever it was that Locke saw. She hasn't had a light suddenly start shining through the dark at the very moment she asked for a sign. Hell, she hasn't even asked for--or needed--a sign. And that's the important distinction here. Rose believes, with absolute certainty, that her husband is okay even though she's never been given anything even remotely resembling physical evidence of that fact. She believes without proof, without validation, and without wavering. To be, that's what faith is about--believing in something even when there isn't any reason to. Perhaps especially when there isn't a reason to. Locke believes there's something larger at work on the island because he's living proof of it. He's seen it in action. And even then he still has moments of doubt, when he questions his own certainty. So as much as he might scoff at Jack's unwillingness to take things on faith, one could argue that Locke's own brand of belief is just as reliant on empirical evidence as Jack's is. Rose, on the other hand, has never been given even the slightest reason to think her husband survived the crash--and yet she is utterly certain that he did. Like I said, to me that's the very embodiment of the concept of faith. Not sure where I was going with this, if indeed I was going anywhere at all. Apparently my train of thought left the station without me. Just interesting stuff to ponder, I guess. Very interesting, Sara.
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Post by leftylady on Oct 17, 2005 17:33:44 GMT -5
Thank you, baby. It's an honor hearing that from one of the best reviewers in the business. I only slap these things together every once in a while; your prolificity leaves me staggered. What she said. That was an entertaining, witty and insightful review, Mr. Sorenson. You are a natural writer, Norse God, and don't you forget it. Can I "third" the motion? Great review, Rob. Hit all the everyman riffs, just like Hurley. And the Hugo vs Locke was very insightful. This episode was a shining example of why I like Lost so much: the human element as a counterpoint to all the clues and mystery. It's easy to get all wrapped up with unpuzzeling the island but that can get old and dry after a while without the underlying human element. As far as I'm concerned, they can drag out the mystery all they want as long as they keep entertaining us with the touching character studies.
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Post by leftylady on Oct 17, 2005 17:46:15 GMT -5
Dude! Rob - You sly dog. Leaving us with a couple of mysterious and insightful questions (45 days!) - and a shower scene question, nonetheless. And you say you don't give a rat's ss for the funny little clues. Ha! I say! First you tell us that there must be plenty of soap and shampoo left if Desmond's appearance is any clue, and then you end with the question about what Kate smelled when she took a shower (btw - hell is said to smell like sulfur). Very entertaining and insightful review, Rob. Thank you! Thanks. I'm thrilled to have this much response. As to the sulfur...I think some genuine answers can be drilled up from Sayid's speculations regarding what resides behind that huge blanket of concrete. I don't know; I just felt like venting a little, I suppose. Hey, I did a bunch of research on this stuff...why should I have made things easy? Let's see. Smells like sulfur? How about hot springs, lots of well water, volcanic vents, bunks in hell ... What makes compasses go wacky? lodestone, meteorite possibily? What smells like sulfur AND wrecks compasses? Big question. Are we at the "chewy center" yet?
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Post by Rob on Oct 17, 2005 18:15:45 GMT -5
Thanks. I'm thrilled to have this much response. As to the sulfur...I think some genuine answers can be drilled up from Sayid's speculations regarding what resides behind that huge blanket of concrete. I don't know; I just felt like venting a little, I suppose. Hey, I did a bunch of research on this stuff...why should I have made things easy? Let's see. Smells like sulfur? How about hot springs, lots of well water, volcanic vents, bunks in hell ... What makes compasses go wacky? lodestone, meteorite possibily? What smells like sulfur AND wrecks compasses? Big question. Are we at the "chewy center" yet? I think the chewy center is covered in a giant wall of concrete. When I researched the possible negatives of geothermal drilling, that's when I felt pretty confident I'd solved at least part of the mystery. It would explain all the death and sickness among other groups in the past...and it was reinforced by Kate's reference to sulfur. Hydrogen Sulfide does nasty things to the human body...and the technology employed by those who built the island generator had to be at least 25 years old (the Swan Station film showed a copyright year of 1980). The real-life accidental venting of a geothermal plant on the Big Island happened in 1991. There have been more stringent safeguards implemented since then (much in the way of Three Mile Island)...but the Dharma Initiative seemed pretty keen on exploring new technologies. Such experiments can be a dangerous undertaking.
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Post by Dev(Rob) on Nov 3, 2005 20:52:40 GMT -5
Lost 2x04 _________ The scene with Hurley and the food at the begining put me off eating for a bit Haha left sawyer in the hole Rose is back The guy from road trip is hugo's work friend at the chicken place. Awsome. Charlie is beefing Hurley! Don't be greedy give the poor bloke a chance. His food management task is harder than pushing the god dam button. Maybe those pipes underneath the ground lead to one of the other stations that the dude talked about in the video on the previous weeks episode. Oh so the other survivors are in one of the other stations! Don't be an idiot and blow up the food Hurley. One question, who was pushing the button whilst they were all having that big feast? Rose's husband is alive! And he's a famous actor... what have I seen him in before? Angel! that's it.. ANGEL.
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