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Post by Matthew on Jan 12, 2006 0:00:49 GMT -5
Yeah. The most interesting part for me was Eko's initial offer to his brother. His reasoning: "getting the heroin out of Nigeria so our people can't use it" and "you can buy a lot of vaccine with the money". Rationalizations yes, but they made me see Eko as a man who tried to choose the lesser evil whenever he could. And this, ironically, made him a more successful bad guy than most of the people he ran with and probably was why he ended up in a leadership position. Do you see him as Aaron to Yemi's Moses, or visa versa? *trying to fit that bit of conversation into the story* I thought it was interesting that his partner pushed him out of the plane. Almost as if he did it on purpose - to save him, knowing that the military would probably mistake him for his brother. Maybe Eko's example of trying to always pick the lesser of two evils rubbed off on him? I think the partner pushed him out to stay behind and take the rap, actually.. it looked like nastiness in his eyes there in the door of the plane. And well, I think Eko thinks that both halves play out for both him and Yemi: Eko could be Aaron, in having to speak for his more righteous brother, and in being the glib one. Which makes Yemi Moses, who is left behind while Aaron continues on the work of God. And Eko could be Moses, in being left behind while his brother departs to the Promised Land, forced to pay for his sins by remaining behind in this vail of tears. Eko the one who acted, even at the price of his own soul, allowing Yemi to be Aaron, to continue on in a world among the people, a role that is not for Eko due to his own actions. (not perfect tie-in there: Moses never shot anyone in the face.) *re-reads cliffs-notes version of Exodus, just to make sure* Nope!
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Post by rich on Jan 12, 2006 0:05:30 GMT -5
Thanks, Matt. Where's the damn blushing smiley when you need it? Ah, yes....
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Post by Rachael on Jan 12, 2006 0:11:37 GMT -5
Okay. How the hell did Eko know what's in the statue? I mean, it doesn't sound like he'd been there before, or he'd KNOW where they were found.
Maybe.
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Post by rich on Jan 12, 2006 0:19:21 GMT -5
Okay. How the hell did Eko know what's in the statue? I mean, it doesn't sound like he'd been there before, or he'd KNOW where they were found. Maybe. He recognized the statue. He put the heroin in it himself, or had his men do it, back in Nigeria. Then they loaded the statues onto the plane. And then the plane came to the island drawn by polar bears and sharks. I think that about covers it.
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Post by Rachael on Jan 12, 2006 0:30:15 GMT -5
Ah. Of course.
And also, "My dad used to take me hunting"?
What dad? Evil kidney-stealing father?
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Post by rich on Jan 12, 2006 0:38:44 GMT -5
Ah. Of course. And also, "My dad used to take me hunting"? What dad? Evil kidney-stealing father? The very same. Bet Locke has a hard time picking out a card on Father's Day. I'd hate to be the Hallmark writer working on that sentiment: "Dad, You've always been to me a miserable, prevaricating puddle of organ-stealing crap..."
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Post by Rob on Jan 12, 2006 1:02:52 GMT -5
Ah. Of course. And also, "My dad used to take me hunting"? What dad? Evil kidney-stealing father? The very same. Bet Locke has a hard time picking out a card on Father's Day. I'd hate to be the Hallmark writer working on that sentiment: "Dad, You've always been to me a miserable, prevaricating puddle of organ-stealing crap..." #hihi# Hey, Rich. Long time no see. If you're still here, that is. I thought this episode was fabulous; Mr. Eko has vaulted right onto my personal short list of favorite characters on the show. THAT...was a damned backstory! Eko is a fascinating role, played by an amazing actor. Adewale is one of those gifted performers who can turn on a dime from gentle giant to frightening menace...by doing very little. The audience usually knows what mood Eko is in...but they can't necessarily tell you how they know.
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Post by Squeemonster on Jan 12, 2006 1:35:26 GMT -5
The very same. Bet Locke has a hard time picking out a card on Father's Day. I'd hate to be the Hallmark writer working on that sentiment: "Dad, You've always been to me a miserable, prevaricating puddle of organ-stealing crap..." Hey, Rich. Long time no see. If you're still here, that is. I thought this episode was fabulous; Mr. Eko has vaulted right onto my personal short list of favorite characters on the show. THAT...was a damned backstory! Eko is a fascinating role, played by an amazing actor. Adewale is one of those gifted performers who can turn on a dime from gentle giant to frightening menace...by doing very little. The audience usually knows what mood Eko is in...but they can't necessarily tell you how they know. I agree with all of this. I loved, loved, loved this episode!!
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Post by Sharky on Jan 12, 2006 9:37:50 GMT -5
Here's a little tidbit I haven't seen mentioned. While Eko quoted the 23rd Psalm, I heard one phrase that differs from the actual text.
"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death" in the original became "Yea, though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death". I doubt if they'd quote everything perfectly except for that one twist unless they meant to. And, given Eko's stare-down of the shadow monster, walking through the "shadow of the valley of death" seemed very appropriate.
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Post by Sharky on Jan 12, 2006 9:44:21 GMT -5
Ah. Of course. And also, "My dad used to take me hunting"? What dad? Evil kidney-stealing father? The very same. Bet Locke has a hard time picking out a card on Father's Day. I'd hate to be the Hallmark writer working on that sentiment: "Dad, You've always been to me a miserable, prevaricating puddle of organ-stealing crap..." Found one in our local Hallmark.... "I didn't know my dad when I was just a kid, he Left me high and dry. But then had a bum kidney. He wined me and he dined me and made me think he cared. He took me out bird hunting, and then the old man dared To con me into giving the organ that he needed. He shunned me once again, my stalking went unheeded. So on this Father's Day, I tell you Daddy Dear. I hope a flaming railroad tie gets driven up your rear!"
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Post by Pixi on Jan 12, 2006 10:06:43 GMT -5
Okay - my power went out - kicking off my taping so by the time I got home - I only was able to see half the episode. It started during the trek with Charlie. Could someone fill me in on the first half.
So far I gather - Mr. Eko - was a bad guy (which I am not surprised at all) who assumed the role of a priest after his brother - who really was a priest - saved him from going on board the Virgin Mary carrying heroin plane.
Why was Charlie trekking with Mr. Eko? Claire threw him out of the tent - I gather she discovered the heroin? But meanwhile - Charlie has been stashing the heroin? Were we given any indications he has taken any?
The monster is a swirly smoky thing that couldn't handle the Eko glare of doom.
Kate gave Sawyer a haircut - I gather I missed that. Any fun dialogue there?
Walt is chatting with Michael (maybe) and has a plan to go get him?
Everybody did the whole musical montage of making nice at the end.
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Post by Pixi on Jan 12, 2006 10:09:07 GMT -5
Here's a little tidbit I haven't seen mentioned. While Eko quoted the 23rd Psalm, I heard one phrase that differs from the actual text. "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death" in the original became "Yea, though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death". I doubt if they'd quote everything perfectly except for that one twist unless they meant to. And, given Eko's stare-down of the shadow monster, walking through the "shadow of the valley of death" seemed very appropriate. You know Sharky I caught that too and was wondering - hey, that's not right. I just thought I was being overpicky but having memorized huge quantities of scripture in the past, that one's pretty hard to misquote. I think you're right.
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Post by Karen on Jan 12, 2006 10:40:31 GMT -5
Do you see him as Aaron to Yemi's Moses, or visa versa? *trying to fit that bit of conversation into the story* I thought it was interesting that his partner pushed him out of the plane. Almost as if he did it on purpose - to save him, knowing that the military would probably mistake him for his brother. Maybe Eko's example of trying to always pick the lesser of two evils rubbed off on him? I think the partner pushed him out to stay behind and take the rap, actually.. it looked like nastiness in his eyes there in the door of the plane.And well, I think Eko thinks that both halves play out for both him and Yemi: Eko could be Aaron, in having to speak for his more righteous brother, and in being the glib one. Which makes Yemi Moses, who is left behind while Aaron continues on the work of God. And Eko could be Moses, in being left behind while his brother departs to the Promised Land, forced to pay for his sins by remaining behind in this vail of tears. Eko the one who acted, even at the price of his own soul, allowing Yemi to be Aaron, to continue on in a world among the people, a role that is not for Eko due to his own actions. (not perfect tie-in there: Moses never shot anyone in the face.) *re-reads cliffs-notes version of Exodus, just to make sure* Nope! That makes the most sense - his partner did look angry.I can see the case made for both. Plus, that whole not talking for 40 days thing he did.
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Post by Karen on Jan 12, 2006 10:45:25 GMT -5
**nods nods nods nods** And it made for another nice contrast / mirror to Charlie and his rationalizations. Charlie's rationalizations must have seemed pathetic to Eko. As far as sinning goes, Charlie's a piker compared to Eko. Eko knows what evil is. He knows it in his blood he knows it in his skin. He's carrying on for his brother and trying to live as a righteous man. He broods alot and he's trying to atone for all the horrible things he did.
Does that make him like anyone we know? And love? Yes it does. The one time we saw Mr. Eko go crazy and kill (2 men at once?) was when the drug runner called him *soulless*. Just googled the definition of *soulless* - Lacking sensitivity or the capacity for deep feeling.Mr. Eko had a huge capacity for deep feeling - thus, the sacrifice he made for his brother.
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Post by Sharky on Jan 12, 2006 10:48:58 GMT -5
Okay - my power went out - kicking off my taping so by the time I got home - I only was able to see half the episode. It started during the trek with Charlie. Could someone fill me in on the first half. So far I gather - Mr. Eko - was a bad guy (which I am not surprised at all) who assumed the role of a priest after his brother - who really was a priest - saved him from going on board the Virgin Mary carrying heroin plane. Why was Charlie trekking with Mr. Eko? Claire threw him out of the tent - I gather she discovered the heroin? But meanwhile - Charlie has been stashing the heroin? Were we given any indications he has taken any? The monster is a swirly smoky thing that couldn't handle the Eko glare of doom. Kate gave Sawyer a haircut - I gather I missed that. Any fun dialogue there? Walt is chatting with Michael (maybe) and has a plan to go get him? Everybody did the whole musical montage of making nice at the end. The show started with a scene of Eko's brother (as a kid, 10-ish) being handed a gun by some baddies (who had driven up to carry off the kids from their village) and being told to shoot an old man. The chief baddie kept yelling at the brother, who wouldn't pull the trigger. Finally, Eko ran up (wearing the cross necklace) and grabs the gun from his brother and shoots the old man. No doubt he was motivated out of fear that the baddie would eventually strafe his brother if he failed to carry out the execution. But, the bad guy's impressed and takes Eko from his village. Claire casually mentioned to Eko how religious Charlie was, how he carried around a statue of the Virgin Mary all the time. Eko asked to see the statue, then smashed it with his stick, exposing the heroin to Claire. At this point, he runs down Charlie and demands Charlie take him to where he discovered the plane. Charlie finally caves under Eko's glare o' doom and they start the trek together. Eko's brother got shot and was more or less dragged/thrown onto the plane. It was one of Eko's henchmen who barred Eko from getting on, for whatever reason. Can't remember any specific haircut dialogue. They were joking around about it some. At this point, I think Charlie's hoarding heroin as kind of a security blanket. There was no specific indication that he's using it. Walt and Michael shared a chat on the Dharma board. I think Walt's last typed line was "You need to come...." At which point Jack walked up and interrupted and nothing more was seen. Beyond that, you'll have to depend on the memories of other S'cubies or TWOP.
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